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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:38 pm

"More than half of the 2.6 million Americans dispatched to fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan struggle with physical or mental health problems stemming from their service, feel disconnected from civilian life and believe the government is failing to meet the needs of this generation’s veterans, according to a poll conducted by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation.
The long conflicts, which have required many troops to deploy multiple times and operate under an almost constant threat of attack, have exacted a far more widespread emotional toll than previously recognized by most government studies and independent assessments: One in two say they know a fellow service member who has attempted or committed suicide, and more than 1 million suffer from relationship problems and experience outbursts of anger — two key indicators of post-traumatic stress.
Despite their overwhelming pride and negligible regret, the veterans look back on the necessity of the conflicts with decidedly mixed feelings. Only 53 percent of them believe the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting, and just 44 percent say the same for Iraq. Slightly more than a third — almost 900,000 vets — “strongly” believe the Iraq war was not worth it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/29/a-legacy-of-pride-and-pain/?hpid=z2

-> Overwhelming pride, Really! though not their fault, should be ashamed for having served in a needless war against phantom menace & for being used by callous politicians which resulted in killing 100s of thousands of innocent civilians. These self-serving wars will continue till average American values the life of a non-american on par with American's life.

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Post by truthbetold Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:46 pm

CD,

Was there ever a nation that valued the life of another citizens life the same as its own?

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:02 am

why blame those who served? the people who deserve your derision are the repulsive chicken hawk politicians.
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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:18 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:why blame those who served? the people who deserve your derision are the repulsive chicken hawk politicians.
Max, the definition of serving the nation has changed by a mile, see the below excerpt from that very piece. Like in any profession they deserve both accolades & criticism, depending on the situation. I don't think I can respect anyone who does not regret or negligibly regret about Iraq war, served or not.

"Many among this generation of vets regard their service as a profession — almost half signed up intending to serve for at least 20 years"

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:32 am

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Was there ever a nation that valued the life of another citizens life the same as its own?
at least they don't consider it worthless, like most Americans do.

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Post by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:37 am

CD,

again who are these nameless nations who are better than USA?

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:00 am

truthbetold wrote:CD,

again who are these nameless nations who are better than USA?

Vakavaka, Uppili and their friends often quote India as one such nation.

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Post by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:18 am

Cd
It is your pov that isoyt there for conment. What do you think? Is India an example ?
Why do you want hide behind other peoples comments?

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Post by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:33 am

truthbetold wrote:Cd
It is your pov that is here for conment. What do you think? Is India an example ?
Why do you want hide behind other peoples comments?

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Post by nevada Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:01 am

confuzzled dude wrote:"More than half of the 2.6 million Americans dispatched to fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan struggle with physical or mental health problems stemming from their service, feel disconnected from civilian life and believe the government is failing to meet the needs of this generation’s veterans, according to a poll conducted by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation.
The long conflicts, which have required many troops to deploy multiple times and operate under an almost constant threat of attack, have exacted a far more widespread emotional toll than previously recognized by most government studies and independent assessments: One in two say they know a fellow service member who has attempted or committed suicide, and more than 1 million suffer from relationship problems and experience outbursts of anger — two key indicators of post-traumatic stress.
Despite their overwhelming pride and negligible regret, the veterans look back on the necessity of the conflicts with decidedly mixed feelings. Only 53 percent of them believe the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting, and just 44 percent say the same for Iraq. Slightly more than a third — almost 900,000 vets — “strongly” believe the Iraq war was not worth it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/29/a-legacy-of-pride-and-pain/?hpid=z2

-> Overwhelming pride, Really! though not their fault, should be ashamed for having served in a needless war against phantom menace & for being used by callous politicians which resulted in killing 100s of thousands of innocent civilians. These self-serving wars will continue till average American values the life of a non-american on par with American's life.

How is that possible? Decision making is not in their hands.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:05 pm

nevada wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:"More than half of the 2.6 million Americans dispatched to fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan struggle with physical or mental health problems stemming from their service, feel disconnected from civilian life and believe the government is failing to meet the needs of this generation’s veterans, according to a poll conducted by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation.
The long conflicts, which have required many troops to deploy multiple times and operate under an almost constant threat of attack, have exacted a far more widespread emotional toll than previously recognized by most government studies and independent assessments: One in two say they know a fellow service member who has attempted or committed suicide, and more than 1 million suffer from relationship problems and experience outbursts of anger — two key indicators of post-traumatic stress.
Despite their overwhelming pride and negligible regret, the veterans look back on the necessity of the conflicts with decidedly mixed feelings. Only 53 percent of them believe the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting, and just 44 percent say the same for Iraq. Slightly more than a third — almost 900,000 vets — “strongly” believe the Iraq war was not worth it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/29/a-legacy-of-pride-and-pain/?hpid=z2

-> Overwhelming pride, Really! though not their fault, should be ashamed for having served in a needless war against phantom menace & for being used by callous politicians which resulted in killing 100s of thousands of innocent civilians. These self-serving wars will continue till average American values the life of a non-american on par with American's life.

How is that possible? Decision making is not in their hands.

When Conservative Americans stop tooting their own horn and come to grips with ground realities that they're not angels rather humans like citizens of other countries, things will be sorted out by themselves. Right now they support their warmonger governments to the hilt think can do no wrong.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:35 pm

truthbetold wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
It is your pov that is here for conment. What do you think? Is India an example ?
Why do you want hide behind other peoples comments?
Which country fought or was involved in and/or instigated more wars since WWII?

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Post by truthbetold Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:38 pm

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1945%E2%80%9389
that is the list of all wars since 1945. Show me countries that are as concerned about other country's citizens as much as their own citizens.
your dodging indicates you have no answer.

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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:55 am

truthbetold wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
It is your pov that is here for conment. What do you think? Is India an example ?
Why do you want hide behind other peoples comments?

comrade wont tell us in public but he finds saudi arabia, russia etc to be fine, upstanding countries. he's been looking for work visa to make his fortune their but to no avail. maybe if fannie may/freddie mac are scrapped...

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Post by truthbetold Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:59 pm

We also had a discussion on a which country is a secular nation?  We got the same answer. Dodge to left. 

West preached secularism till sep 11th.  Then it put the civil rights and secularism on the back burner to  its sweet revenge.

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Post by confuzzled dude Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:58 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
It is your pov that is here for conment. What do you think? Is India an example ?
Why do you want hide behind other peoples comments?

comrade wont tell us in public but he finds saudi arabia, russia etc to be fine, upstanding countries. he's been looking for work visa to make his fortune their but to no avail. maybe if fannie may/freddie mac are scrapped...

If I want to make fortune I would join TDP cadre there is no better place than that, is there? I can live happily by serving visionary of century Chandra Babu and young & dynamic wizkid Lokesh Babu Razz

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Post by Propagandhi711 Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:00 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
It is your pov that is here for conment. What do you think? Is India an example ?
Why do you want hide behind other peoples comments?

comrade wont tell us in public but he finds saudi arabia, russia etc to be fine, upstanding countries. he's been looking for work visa to make his fortune their but to no avail. maybe if fannie may/freddie mac are scrapped...

If I want to make fortune I would join TDP cadre there is no better place than that, is there? I can live happily by serving visionary of century Chandra Babu and young & dynamic wizkid Lokesh Babu Razz

why, did nephew's money making opportunities die with uncle back in '09? that seems to insinuate that you believe he'll lose in 2014 or dont know his ass from a hole in the ground..which is it?

also nice sidestepping of TBT and my points, btw

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