Is India about to elect its Reagan?

by b_A Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:54 pm

I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece

by b_A Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:56 pm

The attacks on Reagan and how bad a president he was , and the "conservative" author of that article should start now.

by Propagandhi711 Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:40 am

b_A wrote:I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece

it's funny how liberals try hard to reconcile the upside down nature of their professed "values" in various parts of the world, starting with india. they will do much better if they behave like some ahem liberal comrades for who family/caste ties are supreme and then be hypocritical willynilly in other aspects.

by Propagandhi711 Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:47 am

gee I wonder who this could be on SUCH:
"Like the U.S., India has cultural elitists who seem to desperately crave the approval of their former colonial masters in Europe. The Indian cultural elite despises Mr. Modi every bit as much as the American cultural elite despised Mr. Reagan. They look down their noses at Mr. Modi, cringing at the thought of being led by a common chai wallah (“tea seller,” as I translated it for my U.S. readers) who can barely speak English. (I could never imagine Chinese or Russian citizens, proud of their own heritage, being ashamed that their leaders don’t speak English.)"

and who this could be:
"Mr. Modi, of course, is also labelled by his critics as a “communalist.” I would call that roughly equivalent to the “racist” epithet that Americans hurl at one another. As with Mr. Reagan, the charge lacks merit and is stoked by political opponents seeking to sow fear (and hence cement support) in minority communities. Mr. Modi’s critics, of course, still constantly blame him for the 2002 riots in Gujarat. Those riots, and the train burning that preceded them, were indeed great tragedies. But I suspect the motives of Mr. Modi’s political opponents who ignore the results of the Supreme Court of India’s special investigation of the incident. They have no incentive to acknowledge that Mr. Modi has been cleared of any wrongdoing. They continue to profit politically by smearing Mr. Modi with India’s version of what we call, in American politics, the “racecard.”"

finally a clearheaded opinion piece to balance the leftist assholes from UK press and wapo.

by confuzzled dude Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:31 am

b_A wrote:I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece

Does the author mean, if blacks set a bogie full of white folks ablaze, it is only fair for the Governor to let the white mobs kill, rape 1000 innocent blacks that have no connection with that train incident. Is that how treating all citizens equally under the law is defined.

by b_A Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:41 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece
Does the author mean, if blacks set a bogie full of white folks ablaze, it is only fair for the Governor to let the white mobs kill, rape 1000 innocent blacks that have no connection with that train incident. Is that how treating all citizens equally under the law is defined.

Really ? Was the equivalent that happened under Modi's watch ? According to Rashmun and "media", it didn't happen. If it happened , it was just an accident and actually the people that were set ablaze are blacks not white.

by confuzzled dude Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:49 am

b_A wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece
Does the author mean, if blacks set a bogie full of white folks ablaze, it is only fair for the Governor to let the white mobs kill, rape 1000 innocent blacks that have no connection with that train incident. Is that how treating all citizens equally under the law is defined.
Really ? Was the equivalent that happened under Modi's watch ? According to Rashmun and "media", it didn't happen. If it happened , it was just an accident and actually the people that were set ablaze are blacks not white.

Whites as in majority of the population. Also, did Reagan has affiliation with any of the white supremacist organizations?

by Propagandhi711 Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:55 am

wapo comrade will then ask if modi is tall and lanky like the gipper. he needs 100% overlay for this david cohen (who his kebab comrades most definitely disapprove of) piece to be considered marginally correct

by b_A Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:10 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece
Does the author mean, if blacks set a bogie full of white folks ablaze, it is only fair for the Governor to let the white mobs kill, rape 1000 innocent blacks that have no connection with that train incident. Is that how treating all citizens equally under the law is defined.
Really ? Was the equivalent that happened under Modi's watch ? According to Rashmun and "media", it didn't happen. If it happened , it was just an accident and actually the people that were set ablaze are blacks not white.
Whites as in majority of the population.

I got that point. Looks like you didn't get my point. Consult Rashmun and your favorite media to know if Godhra incident really happened.
I beleive most of the SuCHers are decent people and not "thirsties" as being branded by holier-than-thou types. They don't want/support riots , both the kind of Godhra and post-Godhra varieties. But they get p***off when the media and "seculars" act as if Godhra never happened and if it happened the victims were muslim as pronounced by the great R-man recently.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:04 pm

you nounify, i nounify. simple.

by Guest Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:08 pm

b_A wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece
Does the author mean, if blacks set a bogie full of white folks ablaze, it is only fair for the Governor to let the white mobs kill, rape 1000 innocent blacks that have no connection with that train incident. Is that how treating all citizens equally under the law is defined.
Really ? Was the equivalent that happened under Modi's watch ? According to Rashmun and "media", it didn't happen. If it happened , it was just an accident and actually the people that were set ablaze are blacks not white.
Whites as in majority of the population.
I got that point. Looks like you didn't get my point. Consult Rashmun and your favorite media to know if Godhra incident really happened.
I beleive most of the SuCHers are decent people and not "thirsties" as being branded by holier-than-thou types. They don't want/support riots , both the kind of Godhra and post-Godhra varieties. But they get p***off when the media and "seculars" act as if Godhra never happened and if it happened the victims were muslim as pronounced by the great R-man recently.

typical chaddi behavior of lying and slandering. i suppose since your little God modi also goes around lying and slandering you think that is the way to be a good hindu. i never claimed the victims in Godhra were muslims; i said some of the victims remained unidentified and Sidhartha Varadarajan has spectulated his book on the Godhra riots and its aftermath that these unidentified people could be muslims.

time to remove that saffron chaddi you have been wearing and replace it with a normal looking chaddi.

by Kris Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:36 am

b_A wrote:I must admit that as an outside observer, I often find the terms of debate in India’s mainstream media to be confusing. As I understand it, if you favour allowing citizens to be treated differently on the basis of their religious beliefs, then you are an open-minded “secularist.” If, on the other hand, you favour treating all citizens equally under the law, without regard to their religion, then you are a “religious extremist.”

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/is-india-about-to-elect-its-reagan/article5931362.ece

>>>Just did a quick read of it. I would have thought Cohen would also have hit upon the malaise under Carter that counted in Reagan's favor, which is my understanding anyway. A similar dynamic is very much in play here with the public's fatigue with Congress.

by b_A Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:32 am

Rashmun wrote:
b_A wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Does the author mean, if blacks set a bogie full of white folks ablaze, it is only fair for the Governor to let the white mobs kill, rape 1000 innocent blacks that have no connection with that train incident. Is that how treating all citizens equally under the law is defined.
Really ? Was the equivalent that happened under Modi's watch ? According to Rashmun and "media", it didn't happen. If it happened , it was just an accident and actually the people that were set ablaze are blacks not white.
Whites as in majority of the population.
I got that point. Looks like you didn't get my point. Consult Rashmun and your favorite media to know if Godhra incident really happened.
I beleive most of the SuCHers are decent people and not "thirsties" as being branded by holier-than-thou types. They don't want/support riots , both the kind of Godhra and post-Godhra varieties. But they get p***off when the media and "seculars" act as if Godhra never happened and if it happened the victims were muslim as pronounced by the great R-man recently.

typical chaddi behavior of lying and slandering. i suppose since your little God modi also goes around lying and slandering you think that is the way to be a good hindu. i never claimed the victims in Godhra were muslims; i said some of the victims remained unidentified and Sidhartha Varadarajan has spectulated his book on the Godhra riots and its aftermath that these unidentified people could be muslims.

time to remove that saffron chaddi you have been wearing and replace it with a normal looking chaddi.

You calling someone a chaddi doesn't make him a chaddi. I only support Modi in this election because I want Sonia and co to be defeated /humilitated in this elections for all the sins that she committed during AP bifurcation. And Modi seems to be better placed than anybody else to deliver that humiliation to Sonia. If Modi delivers good governance and better economy and overcomes the riots that will definitely be engineered by Cong in future , than I will support him in the next elections too. Otherwise , he will not get my support.
PS: BJP too supported Cong in AP bifurcation but Sushma and Advani are to be blamed for that. If Modi marginalizes them too, I will be even more happy.

by Guest Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:37 am

b_A wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
b_A wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
b_A wrote:
Really ? Was the equivalent that happened under Modi's watch ? According to Rashmun and "media", it didn't happen. If it happened , it was just an accident and actually the people that were set ablaze are blacks not white.
Whites as in majority of the population.
I got that point. Looks like you didn't get my point. Consult Rashmun and your favorite media to know if Godhra incident really happened.
I beleive most of the SuCHers are decent people and not "thirsties" as being branded by holier-than-thou types. They don't want/support riots , both the kind of Godhra and post-Godhra varieties. But they get p***off when the media and "seculars" act as if Godhra never happened and if it happened the victims were muslim as pronounced by the great R-man recently.

typical chaddi behavior of lying and slandering. i suppose since your little God modi also goes around lying and slandering you think that is the way to be a good hindu. i never claimed the victims in Godhra were muslims; i said some of the victims remained unidentified and Sidhartha Varadarajan has spectulated his book on the Godhra riots and its aftermath that these unidentified people could be muslims.

time to remove that saffron chaddi you have been wearing and replace it with a normal looking chaddi.

You calling someone a chaddi doesn't make him a chaddi. I only support Modi in this election because I want Sonia and co to be defeated /humilitated in this elections for all the sins that she committed during AP bifurcation. And Modi seems to be better placed than anybody else to deliver that humiliation to Sonia. If Modi delivers good governance and better economy and overcomes the riots that will definitely be engineered by Cong in future , than I will support him in the next elections too. Otherwise , he will not get my support.
PS: BJP too supported Cong in AP bifurcation but Sushma and Advani are to be blamed for that. If Modi marginalizes them too, I will be even more happy.

you were caught with your pants down when you claimed i had pronounced the Godhra victims to be muslims. Aren't you ashamed of yourself for telling lies ? Let others decide whether you are wearing a soiled saffron chaddi or a clean normal looking chaddi.

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