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thomas piketty - his book on wealth inequality
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/stoi/deep-focus/Top-1-in-India-owns-8-9-of-national-income-rockstar-economist-Thomas-Piketty-says/articleshow/34949259.cms
He collected and analyzed lot of data on wealth of nations.
he leans left but is not affiliated to a specific ism such as Marxism.
I am planning to read this book. It will take a long time for me to finish the book. Would appreciate any cliff notes versions.
His data driven approach makes the book a must read for me.
He collected and analyzed lot of data on wealth of nations.
he leans left but is not affiliated to a specific ism such as Marxism.
I am planning to read this book. It will take a long time for me to finish the book. Would appreciate any cliff notes versions.
His data driven approach makes the book a must read for me.
truthbetold- Posts : 6799
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Where did you glean that he only leans to the left? He's considered far left even in France which means he has Karl Marx and lenin's photos above his mantel. Nothing new except data which got liberals in the west all tingly in the shorts. Core to his thesis is capital has been yielding more returns than sweat and that's leading to inequality...what that means in practical terms is to tax tax tax which gets the bicoastals excited like it were 1917. Prepare yourself for a barrage of bar charts soon
Propagandhi711- Posts : 6941
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Propagandhi711 wrote:Where did you glean that he only leans to the left? He's considered far left even in France which means he has Karl Marx and lenin's photos above his mantel. Nothing new except data which got liberals in the west all tingly in the shorts. Core to his thesis is capital has been yielding more returns than sweat and that's leading to inequality...what that means in practical terms is to tax tax tax which gets the bicoastals excited like it were 1917. Prepare yourself for a barrage of bar charts soon
not tax tax tax, just tax it like regular income from physical and brain effort.
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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Yeah that's how it starts...govt expansion in the most innocuous and noble sounding words and next thing there will be an educated elite with most of others working in collectives so there is no more broadbased inequality..that is the most fair system of all
Propagandhi711- Posts : 6941
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Hahaha, your ignorance never fails to shine through your posts on this subject. Did you know that His Holiness Saint-King Ronald Reagan did exactly what Max suggested above -- raised the capital gains tax rate to match the peak earned income tax rate?Propagandhi711 wrote:Yeah that's how it starts...govt expansion in the most innocuous and noble sounding words and next thing there will be an educated elite with most of others working in collectives so there is no more broadbased inequality..that is the most fair system of all
In the name of fairness, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 raised the maximum tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28 percent from 20 percent at the same time it reduced the maximum rate on ordinary income to 28 percent from 50 percent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/business/a-starting-point-for-tax-reform-what-reagan-did.html
Time to accuse the Saint-King of treading on the slippery slope to socialism, perhaps?
Idéfix- Posts : 8808
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More ignorance on display.Propagandhi711 wrote:Where did you glean that he only leans to the left? He's considered far left even in France which means he has Karl Marx and lenin's photos above his mantel. Nothing new except data which got liberals in the west all tingly in the shorts. Core to his thesis is capital has been yielding more returns than sweat and that's leading to inequality...what that means in practical terms is to tax tax tax which gets the bicoastals excited like it were 1917. Prepare yourself for a barrage of bar charts soon
Isaac Chotiner: Can you talk a little bit about the effect of Marx on your thinking and how you came to start reading him?
Thomas Piketty: Marx?
IC: Yeah.
TP: I never managed really to read it. I mean I don’t know if you’ve tried to read it. Have you tried?
IC: Some of his essays, but not the economics work.
TP: The Communist Manifesto of 1848 is a short and strong piece. Das Kapital, I think, is very difficult to read and for me it was not very influential.
IC: Because your book, obviously with the title, it seemed like you were tipping your hat to him in some ways.
TP: No not at all, not at all! The big difference is that my book is a book about the history of capital. In the books of Marx there’s no data.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117655/thomas-piketty-interview-economist-discusses-his-distaste-marx
Idéfix- Posts : 8808
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The Economist magazine is not known for its leftist leanings. Here is the magazine's review of the book:
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21592635-revisiting-old-argument-about-impact-capitalism-all-men-are-created
Note the absence of ignorance-based labels.
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21592635-revisiting-old-argument-about-impact-capitalism-all-men-are-created
Note the absence of ignorance-based labels.
Idéfix- Posts : 8808
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I just started reading the book. I expect it will take me a few weeks at least.truthbetold wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/stoi/deep-focus/Top-1-in-India-owns-8-9-of-national-income-rockstar-economist-Thomas-Piketty-says/articleshow/34949259.cms
He collected and analyzed lot of data on wealth of nations.
he leans left but is not affiliated to a specific ism such as Marxism.
I am planning to read this book. It will take a long time for me to finish the book. Would appreciate any cliff notes versions.
His data driven approach makes the book a must read for me.
Idéfix- Posts : 8808
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Idéfix wrote:Hahaha, your ignorance never fails to shine through your posts on this subject. Did you know that His Holiness Saint-King Ronald Reagan did exactly what Max suggested above -- raised the capital gains tax rate to match the peak earned income tax rate?Propagandhi711 wrote:Yeah that's how it starts...govt expansion in the most innocuous and noble sounding words and next thing there will be an educated elite with most of others working in collectives so there is no more broadbased inequality..that is the most fair system of all
In the name of fairness, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 raised the maximum tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28 percent from 20 percent at the same time it reduced the maximum rate on ordinary income to 28 percent from 50 percent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/business/a-starting-point-for-tax-reform-what-reagan-did.html
Time to accuse the Saint-King of treading on the slippery slope to socialism, perhaps?
on one hand you claim the 70s was best for aam aadmi and excoriate reagan but on other hand you are wetting your chuddies over capital gains tax rate increase at time of his admin. conflicted much?
Propagandhi711- Posts : 6941
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Idéfix wrote:More ignorance on display.Propagandhi711 wrote:Where did you glean that he only leans to the left? He's considered far left even in France which means he has Karl Marx and lenin's photos above his mantel. Nothing new except data which got liberals in the west all tingly in the shorts. Core to his thesis is capital has been yielding more returns than sweat and that's leading to inequality...what that means in practical terms is to tax tax tax which gets the bicoastals excited like it were 1917. Prepare yourself for a barrage of bar charts soon
Isaac Chotiner: Can you talk a little bit about the effect of Marx on your thinking and how you came to start reading him?
Thomas Piketty: Marx?
IC: Yeah.
TP: I never managed really to read it. I mean I don’t know if you’ve tried to read it. Have you tried?
IC: Some of his essays, but not the economics work.
TP: The Communist Manifesto of 1848 is a short and strong piece. Das Kapital, I think, is very difficult to read and for me it was not very influential.
IC: Because your book, obviously with the title, it seemed like you were tipping your hat to him in some ways.
TP: No not at all, not at all! The big difference is that my book is a book about the history of capital. In the books of Marx there’s no data.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117655/thomas-piketty-interview-economist-discusses-his-distaste-marx
hahahhaaa.....so you have it from the horses' mouth that his book is das capital 2 with data. which is what I've been saying all along. enough pretzeling now.
Propagandhi711- Posts : 6941
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Idéfix wrote:The Economist magazine is not known for its leftist leanings. Here is the magazine's review of the book:
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21592635-revisiting-old-argument-about-impact-capitalism-all-men-are-created
Note the absence of ignorance-based labels.
do you always ensure your opinion on something is also shared by all the left leaning publications in the world before stating it? it's a stupid requirement and as the diaperdhari would say, irrelevant!
Propagandhi711- Posts : 6941
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Not at all. I don't expect you to understand it though, given your extensive ignorance on this topic.Propagandhi711 wrote:Idéfix wrote:Hahaha, your ignorance never fails to shine through your posts on this subject. Did you know that His Holiness Saint-King Ronald Reagan did exactly what Max suggested above -- raised the capital gains tax rate to match the peak earned income tax rate?Propagandhi711 wrote:Yeah that's how it starts...govt expansion in the most innocuous and noble sounding words and next thing there will be an educated elite with most of others working in collectives so there is no more broadbased inequality..that is the most fair system of all
In the name of fairness, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 raised the maximum tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28 percent from 20 percent at the same time it reduced the maximum rate on ordinary income to 28 percent from 50 percent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/business/a-starting-point-for-tax-reform-what-reagan-did.html
Time to accuse the Saint-King of treading on the slippery slope to socialism, perhaps?
on one hand you claim the 70s was best for aam aadmi and excoriate reagan but on other hand you are wetting your chuddies over capital gains tax rate increase at time of his admin. conflicted much?
Idéfix- Posts : 8808
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http://www.democracyjournal.org/33/the-inequality-puzzle.php?page=all
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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the FT tried refuting his book and apparently got itself in a pickle when he answered them convincingly:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/30/pikettys-errors-arent-mistakes-theyre-questions-and-he-answered-them/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/30/pikettys-errors-arent-mistakes-theyre-questions-and-he-answered-them/
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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so that brings us back to: in the short time that the book has been around, there has not yet been a conservative response which seems to have stuck other than name calling of the kind that we have already seen on this thread. when is the conservative response coming? i really should buy the book and read it.
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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btw, stiglitz and krugman have been at this for a long time. i suppose what's different about this book is the volume of data that he has put together.
see this for example:
see this for example:
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:btw, stiglitz and krugman have been at this for a long time. i suppose what's different about this book is the volume of data that he has put together.
see this for example:
nah, emmanuel saez it is.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/13/the-origins-of-inequity/
Much has been written over the past year about the growing income inequality in America, and how the wealthiest 1% households have accrued 95% of all the national income gains in the US economy since the June 2009 so-called economic ‘recovery’ officially began.
Liberal economists like Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, James Galbraith and others have writing numerous books and countless newspaper columns on the subject over the past year. They have finally discovered in recent years the sad fact of accelerating income inequality in America, a developing trend that has been in progress for decades, at least since the early 1980s. Actually, theirs has been less a ‘discovery’ than a re-reporting of work on the subject done by others.
bw- Posts : 2922
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good summary of the book here by the author himself:
ca. 35:00-36:00 he shows historical marginal tax rate data at the highest income levels for britain, france, germany, and the us. and he makes a delectable crack that the highest the rates have been in germany was in the post world war II era when the economic plan for germany was chosen by the US (guessing he is referring to the marshall plan). LOL!
ca. 35:00-36:00 he shows historical marginal tax rate data at the highest income levels for britain, france, germany, and the us. and he makes a delectable crack that the highest the rates have been in germany was in the post world war II era when the economic plan for germany was chosen by the US (guessing he is referring to the marshall plan). LOL!
MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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ok plonked down the 24 bucks on amazon.
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