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Post by Guest Tue May 20, 2014 10:19 am

That Modi is a polarizing figure is a truism. That he has led the BJP to a majority of 282 votes without there being a single parliamentarian from the country’s largest minority is a fact. That the total vote share of the BJP — at 31% — is historically the lowest of any party that has secured a majority at the Centre is also a fact. That in a representative democracy, the consolidation of the majority will always trump the consolidation of the minority is simple arithmetic logic. Lastly, that calculated polarization along identity lines is a proven strategy for inducing such consolidations is also well-known.
Taking all this into account, two things become blindingly obvious. One, all talk of wave or tsunami as a descriptor of this electoral outcome is nothing but an extension of the spin that preceded the polls — which, by the way, have witnessed the most intensive, most personality-centric TV coverage ever, much of it to Modi’s benefit.

Two, the numerical minority that has voted for the BJP — 31% of those who voted (66.38% of the electorate), and 21% of the total electorate — is a minority that is either an active supporter of, or has no problem with, the Hindutva project. It is because they are so clearly a numerical minority that they cannot be said to truly represent the will of the Indian people. Additionally, it is also because they are so clearly a numerical minority even among Hindus that Hindutva is so clearly a project and not a reality.

One should therefore not shy away from naming the mandate for what it is – a minority vote share that, in our deeply flawed first past the post system (FPTP), has translated itself into a majority seat share. True, in the past, the Congress and other parties have also benefited from the FPTP system. So, one might ask, why bring up the FPTP only now?

Well, because in the past, at the national level, the FPTP distortions did not produce a manifestly majoritarian mandate. Apart from the other factors discussed above, Modi’s victory is a majoritarian mandate also because, as a lifelong member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), his ideology as well as his appeal is premised on Hindu supremacy.

It is no accident that every one of the seven Muslim candidates fielded by the BJP lost. Even the so-called Modi tsunami could not save them — not even in Uttar Pradesh. Simply put, it was voter polarization, and a consolidation of Hindu votes — cutting across class and caste divides — around Modi that has converted a 31% vote share into not just a Parliamentary majority, but a Hindu majoritarian verdict.
So it would be a gross misreading to regard verdict 2014 as the electoral expression of aspirational India alone. More important than the aspirational dimension is the fact that it is a fractured mandate. In the past, similarly fractured mandates had yielded coalition governments which, as a matter of fact, were a reasonably fair representation of the pluralism and diversity of India. Not this time.


http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/hNdjVFTqfkl0nEd690YsDK/Mandate-2014-Triumph-of-the-spin.html


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Post by Guest Tue May 20, 2014 10:20 am

What does the future hold?

Will Modi’s India remain faithful to the idea of India as enshrined in the constitution — a constitution which still uses the words secular to define our democracy? Or does his ascent mark the official supersession of constitutional secularism by a Hindu rashtra? The answer to this lies in what answer we give to the question of what the 21% that voted for him want.

Modi’s freshly minted acolytes claim that he has evolved, that he deserves a chance to prove himself as a national leader, that we should not judge him by his past alone, and that his economic pragmatism will keep his Hindutva instincts in check. They may well be proved right, and one hopes that they are. But so far, all the signs seem to indicate otherwise, at least for those interested in reading them.

To take just one example from the present (and not the past), the same man for whom wearing a skull cap is the kind of symbolic tokenism best avoided sees nothing untoward in the symbolism of doing a Ganga aarti as India’s new Prime Minister-elect. On the contrary, such gestures are likely to become the new normal. In other words, if Modi has indeed evolved as a leader, it is into someone who no longer feels the need to define who he is to his mass of followers; he is who they know him to be.

In the ultimate analysis, the onus is not on those who fear Modi to abandon their fears. As Prime Minister-elect and representative of the entire nation and every one of its 1.2 billion citizens, the onus is on Modi to allay the fears of those who may look upon him with apprehension. But so far, Modi has not done so, letting go of every opportunity for even the tiniest gesture in that direction.

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Post by Guest Tue May 20, 2014 10:25 am

Rashmun wrote:What does the future hold?

Will Modi’s India remain faithful to the idea of India as enshrined in the constitution — a constitution which still uses the words secular to define our democracy? Or does his ascent mark the official supersession of constitutional secularism by a Hindu rashtra? The answer to this lies in what answer we give to the question of what the 21% that voted for him want.

Modi’s freshly minted acolytes claim that he has evolved, that he deserves a chance to prove himself as a national leader, that we should not judge him by his past alone, and that his economic pragmatism will keep his Hindutva instincts in check. They may well be proved right, and one hopes that they are. But so far, all the signs seem to indicate otherwise, at least for those interested in reading them.

To take just one example from the present (and not the past), the same man for whom wearing a skull cap is the kind of symbolic tokenism best avoided sees nothing untoward in the symbolism of doing a Ganga aarti as India’s new Prime Minister-elect. On the contrary, such gestures are likely to become the new normal. In other words, if Modi has indeed evolved as a leader, it is into someone who no longer feels the need to define who he is to his mass of followers; he is who they know him to be.

In the ultimate analysis, the onus is not on those who fear Modi to abandon their fears. As Prime Minister-elect and representative of the entire nation and every one of its 1.2 billion citizens, the onus is on Modi to allay the fears of those who may look upon him with apprehension. But so far, Modi has not done so, letting go of every opportunity for even the tiniest gesture in that direction.

doing ganga aarati and refusing to wear muslim cap (while happily agreeing to wear a sikh turban and many assorted kinds of headgear including tribal headgear) is somewhat disconcerting. But much more disturbing is the fact that thousands of RSS shakhas will now open up all over the country. Indeed, in the last few months over two thousand new RSS shakhas have opened up in different parts of the country thanks presumably to Modi's corporate sponsors. These shakhas like to admit young children as members and then proceed to indoctrinate them in the chaddi ideology so that they become lifelong hindutvas. it is this communal venom being injected into the body politic of India which should cause the greatest concern to genuine patriots.


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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue May 20, 2014 10:29 am

where does the RSS find recruits? do you know?
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Post by Guest Tue May 20, 2014 10:38 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:where does the RSS find recruits? do you  know?

how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology. (These kids, because of their pedigree, incidentally have a much greater chance of rising high in the RSS hierarchy. For instance, the current RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is the son of another senior RSS leader Madhukar Bhagwat. Madhukar Bhagwat was a mentor of the young Narendra Modi, and also obviously a mentor of his own son. Traditionally, the RSS leadership has been dominated by Maharashtrian brahmins.)
Second, you pick recruits through proselytization. Poor people would be likely to send their kids to the shakhas if not for anything than for the free food.

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Post by Rishi Tue May 20, 2014 12:09 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:where does the RSS find recruits? do you  know?

how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology. (These kids, because of their pedigree, incidentally have a much greater chance of rising high in the RSS hierarchy. For instance, the current RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is the son of another senior RSS leader Madhukar Bhagwat. Madhukar Bhagwat was a mentor of the young Narendra Modi, and also obviously a mentor of his own son. Traditionally, the RSS leadership has been dominated by Maharashtrian brahmins.)
Second, you pick recruits through proselytization. Poor people would be likely to send their kids to the shakhas if not for anything than for the free food.

"how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology"

>>>Same is true for Islamic extremists, Catholics and the evangelicals.

If the Christian missionaries are shut down then I will join you guys in condemning RSS.

I believe Hindus need to organize in preventing the onslaught of Christian and Catholic proselitization. But RSS is not the way to go about it.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue May 20, 2014 12:29 pm

Rishi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:where does the RSS find recruits? do you  know?

how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology. (These kids, because of their pedigree, incidentally have a much greater chance of rising high in the RSS hierarchy. For instance, the current RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is the son of another senior RSS leader Madhukar Bhagwat. Madhukar Bhagwat was a mentor of the young Narendra Modi, and also obviously a mentor of his own son. Traditionally, the RSS leadership has been dominated by Maharashtrian brahmins.)
Second, you pick recruits through proselytization. Poor people would be likely to send their kids to the shakhas if not for anything than for the free food.

"how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology"

>>>Same is true for Islamic extremists, Catholics and the evangelicals.

If the Christian missionaries are shut down then I will join you guys in condemning RSS.

I believe Hindus need to organize in preventing the onslaught of Christian and Catholic proselitization. But RSS is not the way to go about it.
Religious organizations are not the only ones that indulge in this behavior pattern.

Extremely brilliant groups like Pol Pot-ties, Mao-ists, DKheads, CONartists, sikularists, etc., regularly show their cultist colors.

Our own excessively brilliant SuCh scholars are no exception. As soon as Modi was declared the winner, they started to spew venom at him. Kumar Kedkar (a well known Modi hater) is vomiting his poison at Modi on NDTV - he says that it is criminal that Modi didn't mention Nehru or minority in his acceptance speech yesterday!

Hopefully, they will all take their medications and calm down.


Neech Garibi Hatao (actually, that one word - NEECH - by Priyanka galvanized the OBC/BC vote for Modi).

Vadra ji's Banana Republic Zindabad (Vadra helped AAP by saying Banana Republic and Mango Men).

Rahul Pappu bhaiyya Jai Ho (his "nonsense" tantrum shows how fake he is and the voters recognized it).

MT's mouthkaa soudaagarh (even Muslims voted for Modi because they no longer trust CONmen).

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue May 20, 2014 12:32 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:where does the RSS find recruits? do you  know?

how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology. (These kids, because of their pedigree, incidentally have a much greater chance of rising high in the RSS hierarchy. For instance, the current RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is the son of another senior RSS leader Madhukar Bhagwat. Madhukar Bhagwat was a mentor of the young Narendra Modi, and also obviously a mentor of his own son. Traditionally, the RSS leadership has been dominated by Maharashtrian brahmins.)
Second, you pick recruits through proselytization. Poor people would be likely to send their kids to the shakhas if not for anything than for the free food.

"how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology"

>>>Same is true for Islamic extremists, Catholics and the evangelicals.

If the Christian missionaries are shut down then I will join you guys in condemning RSS.

I believe Hindus need to organize in preventing the onslaught of Christian and Catholic proselitization. But RSS is not the way to go about it.
Religious organizations are not the only ones that indulge in this behavior pattern.

Extremely brilliant groups like Pol Pot-ties, Mao-ists, DKheads, CONartists, sikularists, etc., regularly show their cultist colors.

Our own excessively brilliant SuCh scholars are no exception. As soon as Modi was declared the winner, they started to spew venom at him. Kumar Kedkar (a well known Modi hater) is vomiting his poison at Modi on NDTV - he says that it is criminal that Modi didn't mention Nehru or minority in his acceptance speech yesterday!

Hopefully, they will all take their medications and calm down.


Neech Garibi Hatao (actually, that one word - NEECH - by Priyanka galvanized the OBC/BC vote for Modi).

Vadra ji's Banana Republic Zindabad (Vadra helped AAP by saying Banana Republic and Mango Men).

Rahul Pappu bhaiyya Jai Ho (his "nonsense" tantrum shows how fake he is and the voters recognized it).

MT's mouthkaa soudaagarh (even Muslims voted for Modi because they no longer trust CONmen).

do you just have a bucket list of words -- sickular, neech, garibi hatao, vadra, pappu, extremely brilliant etc. and just randomly choose from it, mix and vomit your reply? just curious.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue May 20, 2014 12:34 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:where does the RSS find recruits? do you  know?

how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology. (These kids, because of their pedigree, incidentally have a much greater chance of rising high in the RSS hierarchy. For instance, the current RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is the son of another senior RSS leader Madhukar Bhagwat. Madhukar Bhagwat was a mentor of the young Narendra Modi, and also obviously a mentor of his own son. Traditionally, the RSS leadership has been dominated by Maharashtrian brahmins.)
Second, you pick recruits through proselytization. Poor people would be likely to send their kids to the shakhas if not for anything than for the free food.

"how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology"

>>>Same is true for Islamic extremists, Catholics and the evangelicals.

If the Christian missionaries are shut down then I will join you guys in condemning RSS.

I believe Hindus need to organize in preventing the onslaught of Christian and Catholic proselitization. But RSS is not the way to go about it.
Religious organizations are not the only ones that indulge in this behavior pattern.

Extremely brilliant groups like Pol Pot-ties, Mao-ists, DKheads, CONartists, sikularists, etc., regularly show their cultist colors.

Our own excessively brilliant SuCh scholars are no exception. As soon as Modi was declared the winner, they started to spew venom at him. Kumar Kedkar (a well known Modi hater) is vomiting his poison at Modi on NDTV - he says that it is criminal that Modi didn't mention Nehru or minority in his acceptance speech yesterday!

Hopefully, they will all take their medications and calm down.


Neech Garibi Hatao (actually, that one word - NEECH - by Priyanka galvanized the OBC/BC vote for Modi).

Vadra ji's Banana Republic Zindabad (Vadra helped AAP by saying Banana Republic and Mango Men).

Rahul Pappu bhaiyya Jai Ho (his "nonsense" tantrum shows how fake he is and the voters recognized it).

MT's mouthkaa soudaagarh (even Muslims voted for Modi because they no longer trust CONmen).

do you just have a bucket list of words -- sickular, neech, garibi hatao, vadra, pappu, extremely brilliant etc. and just randomly choose from it, mix and vomit your reply? just curious.
I was right. You just showed which group you belong to.  LOL.

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Post by Guest Tue May 20, 2014 12:35 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:where does the RSS find recruits? do you  know?

how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology. (These kids, because of their pedigree, incidentally have a much greater chance of rising high in the RSS hierarchy. For instance, the current RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is the son of another senior RSS leader Madhukar Bhagwat. Madhukar Bhagwat was a mentor of the young Narendra Modi, and also obviously a mentor of his own son. Traditionally, the RSS leadership has been dominated by Maharashtrian brahmins.)
Second, you pick recruits through proselytization. Poor people would be likely to send their kids to the shakhas if not for anything than for the free food.

"how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology"

>>>Same is true for Islamic extremists, Catholics and the evangelicals.

If the Christian missionaries are shut down then I will join you guys in condemning RSS.

I believe Hindus need to organize in preventing the onslaught of Christian and Catholic proselitization. But RSS is not the way to go about it.
Religious organizations are not the only ones that indulge in this behavior pattern.

Extremely brilliant groups like Pol Pot-ties, Mao-ists, DKheads, CONartists, sikularists, etc., regularly show their cultist colors.

Our own excessively brilliant SuCh scholars are no exception. As soon as Modi was declared the winner, they started to spew venom at him. Kumar Kedkar (a well known Modi hater) is vomiting his poison at Modi on NDTV - he says that it is criminal that Modi didn't mention Nehru or minority in his acceptance speech yesterday!

Hopefully, they will all take their medications and calm down.


Neech Garibi Hatao (actually, that one word - NEECH - by Priyanka galvanized the OBC/BC vote for Modi).

Vadra ji's Banana Republic Zindabad (Vadra helped AAP by saying Banana Republic and Mango Men).

Rahul Pappu bhaiyya Jai Ho (his "nonsense" tantrum shows how fake he is and the voters recognized it).

MT's mouthkaa soudaagarh (even Muslims voted for Modi because they no longer trust CONmen).

there is one other thing to take into account. the worst enemies of any cult or cultish organization are ex-cultists or children (or other extended family) of ex-cultists since these people know all the weak points and shortcomings of such an organization--some of which may not be known to the general public.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Tue May 20, 2014 12:37 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology. (These kids, because of their pedigree, incidentally have a much greater chance of rising high in the RSS hierarchy. For instance, the current RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is the son of another senior RSS leader Madhukar Bhagwat. Madhukar Bhagwat was a mentor of the young Narendra Modi, and also obviously a mentor of his own son. Traditionally, the RSS leadership has been dominated by Maharashtrian brahmins.)
Second, you pick recruits through proselytization. Poor people would be likely to send their kids to the shakhas if not for anything than for the free food.

"how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology"

>>>Same is true for Islamic extremists, Catholics and the evangelicals.

If the Christian missionaries are shut down then I will join you guys in condemning RSS.

I believe Hindus need to organize in preventing the onslaught of Christian and Catholic proselitization. But RSS is not the way to go about it.
Religious organizations are not the only ones that indulge in this behavior pattern.

Extremely brilliant groups like Pol Pot-ties, Mao-ists, DKheads, CONartists, sikularists, etc., regularly show their cultist colors.

Our own excessively brilliant SuCh scholars are no exception. As soon as Modi was declared the winner, they started to spew venom at him. Kumar Kedkar (a well known Modi hater) is vomiting his poison at Modi on NDTV - he says that it is criminal that Modi didn't mention Nehru or minority in his acceptance speech yesterday!

Hopefully, they will all take their medications and calm down.


Neech Garibi Hatao (actually, that one word - NEECH - by Priyanka galvanized the OBC/BC vote for Modi).

Vadra ji's Banana Republic Zindabad (Vadra helped AAP by saying Banana Republic and Mango Men).

Rahul Pappu bhaiyya Jai Ho (his "nonsense" tantrum shows how fake he is and the voters recognized it).

MT's mouthkaa soudaagarh (even Muslims voted for Modi because they no longer trust CONmen).

do you just have a bucket list of words -- sickular, neech, garibi hatao, vadra, pappu, extremely brilliant etc. and just randomly choose from it, mix and vomit your reply? just curious.
I was right. You just showed which group you belong to.  LOL.

extremely brilliant, sickular, and neech salutations to you too.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue May 20, 2014 12:39 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:

"how does a cult operate? First pickings are children and children of extended family of those who accept RSS ideology"

>>>Same is true for Islamic extremists, Catholics and the evangelicals.

If the Christian missionaries are shut down then I will join you guys in condemning RSS.

I believe Hindus need to organize in preventing the onslaught of Christian and Catholic proselitization. But RSS is not the way to go about it.
Religious organizations are not the only ones that indulge in this behavior pattern.

Extremely brilliant groups like Pol Pot-ties, Mao-ists, DKheads, CONartists, sikularists, etc., regularly show their cultist colors.

Our own excessively brilliant SuCh scholars are no exception. As soon as Modi was declared the winner, they started to spew venom at him. Kumar Kedkar (a well known Modi hater) is vomiting his poison at Modi on NDTV - he says that it is criminal that Modi didn't mention Nehru or minority in his acceptance speech yesterday!

Hopefully, they will all take their medications and calm down.


Neech Garibi Hatao (actually, that one word - NEECH - by Priyanka galvanized the OBC/BC vote for Modi).

Vadra ji's Banana Republic Zindabad (Vadra helped AAP by saying Banana Republic and Mango Men).

Rahul Pappu bhaiyya Jai Ho (his "nonsense" tantrum shows how fake he is and the voters recognized it).

MT's mouthkaa soudaagarh (even Muslims voted for Modi because they no longer trust CONmen).

do you just have a bucket list of words -- sickular, neech, garibi hatao, vadra, pappu, extremely brilliant etc. and just randomly choose from it, mix and vomit your reply? just curious.
I was right. You just showed which group you belong to.  LOL.

extremely brilliant, sickular, and neech salutations to you too.
LOL.

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