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Five myths about talking to terrorists
by confuzzled dude Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:43 pm
1. Freeing Bergdahl involved negotiating with terrorists.
Branding opponents as terrorists may be helpful in legitimizing the fight against them. But the terrorist label is often applied arbitrarily. And it offers a poor guide to whether people are worth talking to
2. Civilized governments don’t talk to terrorists.
There are models for talks with and without a cease-fire. Northern Ireland experienced both. The Hume-Adams talks and the Irish government’s dealings with loyalist paramilitaries took place against a background of violence but ultimately produced the 1994 cease-fire.
3. Talking to terrorists encourages more terrorism.
But a well-constructed talks process will show terrorist organizations that there is a viable alternative to violence and will reward good behavior. Indeed, the history of peacemaking and post-conflict reconstruction is full of people who have transitioned from being labeled terrorists to occupying high public office. Consider former IRA member Martin McGuinness, now deputy first minister of Northern Ireland, and the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
4. We shouldn’t talk to terrorists until they disavow violence.
The best way to sabotage talks is to saddle them with preconditions
5. Talking to terrorists is a substitute for using force.
The willingness and ability of a state to implement robust security measures in the face of a terrorist threat both increases the prospects of talks delivering an end to violence and guards against the talks’ potential failure.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-talking-to-terrorists/2014/06/06/2eac797a-ed1d-11e3-b84b-3393a45b80f1_story.html?hpid=z5
Branding opponents as terrorists may be helpful in legitimizing the fight against them. But the terrorist label is often applied arbitrarily. And it offers a poor guide to whether people are worth talking to
2. Civilized governments don’t talk to terrorists.
There are models for talks with and without a cease-fire. Northern Ireland experienced both. The Hume-Adams talks and the Irish government’s dealings with loyalist paramilitaries took place against a background of violence but ultimately produced the 1994 cease-fire.
3. Talking to terrorists encourages more terrorism.
But a well-constructed talks process will show terrorist organizations that there is a viable alternative to violence and will reward good behavior. Indeed, the history of peacemaking and post-conflict reconstruction is full of people who have transitioned from being labeled terrorists to occupying high public office. Consider former IRA member Martin McGuinness, now deputy first minister of Northern Ireland, and the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
4. We shouldn’t talk to terrorists until they disavow violence.
The best way to sabotage talks is to saddle them with preconditions
5. Talking to terrorists is a substitute for using force.
The willingness and ability of a state to implement robust security measures in the face of a terrorist threat both increases the prospects of talks delivering an end to violence and guards against the talks’ potential failure.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-talking-to-terrorists/2014/06/06/2eac797a-ed1d-11e3-b84b-3393a45b80f1_story.html?hpid=z5
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by Hellsangel Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:31 pm
That is OK, Comrade. We talk to you everyday. And you talk to your kebab loving friends at least every Friday.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:01 pm
Guantanamo prisoners had muslims names and hence nt terrorists. If they are indeed terrorists, then they are not real muslims as iSlam prohibits terrorism. Therefore there are no muslim terrorists.
So, it was not a negotiation with terrorists.
So, it was not a negotiation with terrorists.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by truthbetold Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:14 pm
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Context. If you do not use the above myth busters in the proper context, the deal will blow up in your face.
Context. If you do not use the above myth busters in the proper context, the deal will blow up in your face.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by truthbetold Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:18 pm
Now back to bergdahl. Looks like this guy has history. That history is widely known. Why did obama administration took the additional risk of not informing congress in a timely manner. For some reason, this reminds me of a certain health care web site debacle. yes. it is not such a big deal. But it sure looks like some one is snatching supreme complications out of a routine matter.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by confuzzled dude Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:20 pm
truthbetold wrote:Now back to bergdahl. Looks like this guy has history. That history is widely known. Why did obama administration took the additional risk of not informing congress in a timely manner. For some reason, this reminds me of a certain health care web site debacle. yes. it is not such a big deal. But it sure looks like some one is snatching supreme complications out of a routine matter.
https://such.forumotion.com/t24265-did-john-mccain-flip-flop-on-the-bergdahl-deal
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by confuzzled dude Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:33 pm
Sure.. but I think the author was referring to the sweeping generalization fallacies of right-wing belt.truthbetold wrote:Cd
Context. If you do not use the above myth busters in the proper context, the deal will blow up in your face.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by truthbetold Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:34 pm
Informing during the talks is one thing. They were talking about it for years before that. Then why did not some one call congress leaders on the phone and let them know it is done in a hurry. Then a Mc cain flip flop would not matter. This is more of managing the white house affairs than about negotiations with terrorists.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by confuzzled dude Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:00 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/05/the-timeline-you-need-to-understand-the-bowe-bergdahl-story/truthbetold wrote:Informing during the talks is one thing. They were talking about it for years before that. Then why did not some one call congress leaders on the phone and let them know it is done in a hurry. Then a Mc cain flip flop would not matter. This is more of managing the white house affairs than about negotiations with terrorists.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by truthbetold Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:23 pm
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Your timeline shows no items between april 24 and May 31 when bergdahl was released. What prevented White house from informing the congress as required by law. Why did WH have to apologize after the release and all the noise? Why can't they get their act together?
Your timeline shows no items between april 24 and May 31 when bergdahl was released. What prevented White house from informing the congress as required by law. Why did WH have to apologize after the release and all the noise? Why can't they get their act together?
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by confuzzled dude Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:54 pm
But it doesn't mean this was all done in secrecy nor comparable to Obamacare Website glitches.truthbetold wrote:Cd
Your timeline shows no items between april 24 and May 31 when bergdahl was released. What prevented White house from informing the congress as required by law. Why did WH have to apologize after the release and all the noise? Why can't they get their act together?
"The practice of issuing signing statements goes at least as far back as President Andrew Jackson, who in 1830 issued one stipulating that he would not extend beyond Michigan territory an $8,000 road that Congress wanted to build from Detroit to Chicago.
But they were relatively rare until Ronald Reagan began using signing statements as a means of asserting the power of the executive against the legislative branch.
George W. Bush used signing statements to challenge about 1,200 provisions of 172 laws he signed — twice as many as all his predecessors combined, Evans said."
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by truthbetold Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:34 pm
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If you are asserting executive prerogative, no body questions it. But the battle is for public perception and heart. This is an incident WH will get few points from Idaho but would not have lost any points. But out of this normal situation where they have republicans involved, then completed the transactions without using the necessary covers. (by now WH should have learned that if Obama wins third world war republicans will still find a way to make it an american failure).
My point is this is another avoidable loss of political goodwill.
If you are asserting executive prerogative, no body questions it. But the battle is for public perception and heart. This is an incident WH will get few points from Idaho but would not have lost any points. But out of this normal situation where they have republicans involved, then completed the transactions without using the necessary covers. (by now WH should have learned that if Obama wins third world war republicans will still find a way to make it an american failure).
My point is this is another avoidable loss of political goodwill.
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Re: Five myths about talking to terrorists
by truthbetold Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:46 pm
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i get time on weekends. i did mean to the pick on you. but rest of seculars are busy attending to their traditional family duties. let me go do some garden shopping.
i get time on weekends. i did mean to the pick on you. but rest of seculars are busy attending to their traditional family duties. let me go do some garden shopping.
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