Non-Hindi speaking ministers in trouble

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:39 pm

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hindi-finds-favour-in-modi-s-regime/article1-1229875.aspx

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:17 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hindi-finds-favour-in-modi-s-regime/article1-1229875.aspx

as per law ??? my foot... how about disbanding reservations - as per law and implementing UCC as per law ?

Luckily, the private sector has developed very significantly. while even the Tamilans are learning English, if the Center enforces this hindi crap surely some brilliant guys (like myself) will refuse to consider govt service. It is the center's loss.

P.S. Frikkin Nikherwala's hindi idealogy at work here.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:39 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hindi-finds-favour-in-modi-s-regime/article1-1229875.aspx

as per law ??? my foot... how about disbanding reservations - as per law and implementing UCC as per law ?

Luckily, the private sector has developed very significantly. while even the Tamilans are learning English, if the Center enforces this hindi crap surely some brilliant guys (like myself) will refuse to consider govt service. It is the center's loss.

P.S. Frikkin Nikherwala's hindi idealogy at work here.

Modiji is a slave of Hindi masters, Chaddis & Ambanis; otherwise, he is a man of high self-esteem.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:07 am

saamiyar -- is modi a nehruvian? it's your boy at the helm who is doing the hindi pushing,

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:23 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:saamiyar -- is modi a nehruvian? it's your boy at the helm who is doing the hindi pushing,

Modi may be my boy. But, unlike the iSlamo-Apologists I criticized him (first one to list his negatives and warnings). He is very smart and pragmatic. he himself would not be doing this - but for the RSS reps in his cabinet: Rajnath, Gadkari, Ananth Kumar, Jaitley and Sushma. All the pracharaks in Madras (including some who dont know hindi) in agreement that Hindi should be the link language. Of course, the Nikkarwalas dont believe in taking back to the authority or elders (this is much like the Vatican operation).

by Idéfix Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:34 pm

This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.

by Hellsangel Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:36 pm

Oh please! Not another 'debate' on Hindi here again. Although it may see a strange shift in support for Modi here.

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:50 pm

Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.

I doubt it very much. Our Telugu bojos took oath in Hindi.
One would think that these guys have learned after AP bifurcation that language failed to unite Indians

by Hellsangel Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:55 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.
I doubt it very much. Our Telugu bojos took oath in Hindi.
One would think that these guys have learned after AP bifurcation that language failed to unite Indians

Bojos?

by Kayalvizhi Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:57 pm

Hindi imposition happens in all administration Congress, BJP, whatever. This is a memo from 2003

All managers/officers working in Tamil Nadu offices of the Southern Railways received a memorandum in late 2003. (Similar memorandum must have been sent to offices in the other southern, non-Hindi states also.) Here are some pertinent points from the memorandum, under the heading "Important Directions Regarding Official Language Policy".

1. At least 55% of all letters written in offices in Tamil Nadu to other offices (including offices in Tamil Nadu) should be in Hindi. [Author's Comment: We wonder why more than half the letters written from an office in Chennai, Tamil Nadu to Madurai, Tamil Nadu or from Trichi, Tamil Nadu to Kanyakumari Tamil Nadu should be in Hindi. Is it not Hindi imposition?]

2.At least 50% of typewriters purchased in Tamilnadu offices should be Hindi typewriters.
At least 50% of books purchased in Tamil Nadu offices should be Hindi books. [Author's Comment: A good bonanza for Hindi writers.]

In addition to the above quota for Hindi use in Tamil Nadu, there is also a threat to employees not learning Hindi. The memorandum says that employees not attending Hindi training classes "should be severely dealt with".

READ MORE
Direct Hindi Imposition: Hindi Imposition through Indian Government Jobs
http://www.tamiltribune.com/hindi/index.html#cat06

by truthbetold Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:00 pm

Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.

what is the word for looking for ghosts under the bed and fighting imaginary problems?
if it fits one 's agenda , no need to check facts or context. jump and then think.

by Idéfix Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:08 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.
I doubt it very much. Our Telugu bojos took oath in Hindi.
One would think that these guys have learned after AP bifurcation that language failed to unite Indians

This was a complete let-down for me. I used to vote for TDP when I lived in India. For the MPs of Telugu Desam party to take their oaths in Hindi is shameful.

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:10 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.

what is the word for looking for ghosts under the bed and fighting imaginary problems?
if it fits one 's agenda , no need to check facts or context. jump and then think.

What's the Telugu saying that goes like when you like some one even an ugly dude looks like handsome prince

by Idéfix Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:21 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.

what is the word for looking for ghosts under the bed and fighting imaginary problems?

Whatever that word is, it applies to the people trying to push Hindi in union government business.

by truthbetold Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:25 pm

Cd
you check the facts. check who is exaggerating? who wants action our of proportion to known facts?
this is no different than rightwing calling obama a socialist.
ordinary people can judge whose words are trustworthy.

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:29 pm

truthbetold wrote:Cd
you check the facts. check who is exaggerating? who wants action our of proportion to known facts?
this is no different than rightwing calling obama a socialist.
ordinary people can judge whose words are trustworthy.

Facts! Like I said after oath taking, NTR must be rolling in his grave

by smArtha Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:16 pm

Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.

Where is Hindi pushing here. They are just saying that Hindi should also be the official language of communication along with English. They didn't replace English with Hindi, just restored it to the Official Language of Communication that it always was. And this is also restricted to the Union Govt and not imposed on State Govts.

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:53 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:saamiyar -- is modi a nehruvian? it's your boy at the helm who is doing the hindi pushing,

Modi may be my boy. But, unlike the iSlamo-Apologists I criticized him (first one to list his negatives and warnings). He is very smart and pragmatic. he himself would not be doing this - but for the RSS reps in his cabinet: Rajnath, Gadkari, Ananth Kumar, Jaitley and Sushma. All the pracharaks in Madras (including some who dont know hindi) in agreement that Hindi should be the link language. Of course, the Nikkarwalas dont believe in taking back to the authority or elders (this is much like the Vatican operation).

Dude, you've been mocking MMS as Madam all these years, for similar reasons; going by that very logic of yours & your excuses for Modiji, Modiji should be conferred the honorary title of eunuch.

by truthbetold Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:32 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
you check the facts. check who is exaggerating? who wants action our of proportion to known facts?
this is no different than rightwing calling obama a socialist.
ordinary people can judge whose words are trustworthy.
Facts! Like I said after oath taking, NTR must be rolling in his grave

CD
Who the f cares if he comes out of the grave? You fight like a girl. Irrelevant comments, old dead issues, emotional outbursts and jealousy. Come on. State your reasons , back them up with weighty arguments and destroy opponents beliefs. Otherwise live happily in your silly liberal sniping old man role.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:45 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Oh please! Not another 'debate' on Hindi here again. Although it may see a strange shift in support for Modi here.

it will be a debate subject so long as there are politicians who want to push it as the "rashtrabasha". this goes to show that the fanaticism about pushing hindi cuts across party lines. in fact it has nothing to do with party affiliation but everything to do with northindian fanticism and toadyism on the part of some southern indians. modi has to decide if the battle over this and the ensuing pain is worth it. he is gambling on the idea that memories of the '60s are gone. you are right that it may make for some strange bedfellows should he decide to push it. i can see a prominent modi opponent on this board already having wet dreams about this.

this may end up reuniting the long riven kazhagams. should make for interesting politics. we'll see what happens.

by Kayalvizhi Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:06 pm

>> in fact it has nothing to do with party affiliation but everything to do with northindian fanticism

I agree

>> modi has to decide if the battle over this and the ensuing pain is worth it.

There is not going to be any battle over it. Another Gujarati Hindi fanatic Morar Desai said in Chennai once about Hindi agitation "that lame horse is dead". I agree.

I will not participate in an anti-Hindi agitation just to oppose Hindi imposition.

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:25 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
you check the facts. check who is exaggerating? who wants action our of proportion to known facts?
this is no different than rightwing calling obama a socialist.
ordinary people can judge whose words are trustworthy.
Facts! Like I said after oath taking, NTR must be rolling in his grave
CD
Who the f cares if he comes out of the grave? You fight like a girl. Irrelevant comments, old dead issues, emotional outbursts and jealousy. Come on. State your reasons , back them up with weighty arguments and destroy opponents beliefs. Otherwise live happily in your silly liberal sniping old man role.

What facts did you present other than blindly supporting and exaggerating you god's imaginary credentials and having persistent hallucinations about some growth nobody seems to have any idea about. BTW, I did not make this up. I gave you the link from the news papers, which in itself is makes it a fact. If you don't want to believe that's your prerogative. You think Ashok Gajapatiraju can read and write in Hindi? Why put these ministers in such a disadvantage? Why not have correspondence in Telugu, Tamil as well.

by truthbetold Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:59 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
you check the facts. check who is exaggerating? who wants action our of proportion to known facts?
this is no different than rightwing calling obama a socialist.
ordinary people can judge whose words are trustworthy.
Facts! Like I said after oath taking, NTR must be rolling in his grave
CD
Who the f cares if he comes out of the grave? You fight like a girl. Irrelevant comments, old dead issues, emotional outbursts and jealousy. Come on. State your reasons , back them up with weighty arguments and destroy opponents beliefs. Otherwise live happily in your silly liberal sniping old man role.
What facts did you present other than blindly supporting and exaggerating you god's imaginary credentials and having persistent hallucinations about some growth nobody seems to have any idea about. BTW, I did not make this up. I gave you the link from the news papers, which in itself is makes it a fact. If you don't want to believe that's your prerogative. You think Ashok Gajapatiraju can read and write in Hindi? Why put these ministers in such a disadvantage? Why not have correspondence in Telugu, Tamil as well.

Cd

Again. The question is one of proportion. What is the need to call for a southern revolution ? You do not even know all the facts related even that one inter govt memo. You guys are ready to launch a language war accusing the other guy of language fascism. Then you launched into your diversionary tirade.

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:08 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Cd

Again. The question is one of proportion. What is the need to call for a southern revolution ? You do not even know all the facts related even that one inter govt memo. You guys are ready to launch a language war accusing the other guy of language fascism. Then you launched into your diversionary tirade.

Think before you comment, who launched the language war? current govt. We're only resisting. Here is the latest

"NEW DELHI: The central government wants bureaucrats to tweet in Hindi and use the language for posting their comments on social networking websites such as Facebook, Google groups or blogs, a directive that is in line with the preference of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who chooses to speak only in Hindi in his diplomatic meetings with foreign leaders.

ET has accessed an order issued by the home ministry on May 27 — a day after the Modi government was sworn into power — that makes use of Hindi "compulsory" for use in social media by the government and its officials.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/home-ministry-asks-babus-to-use-hindi-on-social-networking-sites-directive-in-line-with-pm-narendra-modis-preference/articleshow/36677599.cms

by Hellsangel Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:20 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Cd

Again. The question is one of proportion. What is the need to call for a southern revolution ? You do not even know all the facts related even that one inter govt memo. You guys are ready to launch a language war accusing the other guy of language fascism. Then you launched into your diversionary tirade.
Think before you comment, who launched the language war? current govt. We're only resisting. Here is the latest
"NEW DELHI: The central government wants bureaucrats to tweet in Hindi and use the language for posting their comments on social networking websites such as Facebook, Google groups or blogs, a directive that is in line with the preference of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who chooses to speak only in Hindi in his diplomatic meetings with foreign leaders.

ET has accessed an order issued by the home ministry on May 27 — a day after the Modi government was sworn into power — that makes use of Hindi "compulsory" for use in social media by the government and its officials.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/home-ministry-asks-babus-to-use-hindi-on-social-networking-sites-directive-in-line-with-pm-narendra-modis-preference/articleshow/36677599.cms

Ha ha! Now you must be chanelling your inner Trollus Fishyeyeus, Comrade.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:29 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Cd

Again. The question is one of proportion. What is the need to call for a southern revolution ? You do not even know all the facts related even that one inter govt memo. You guys are ready to launch a language war accusing the other guy of language fascism. Then you launched into your diversionary tirade.
Think before you comment, who launched the language war? current govt. We're only resisting. Here is the latest
"NEW DELHI: The central government wants bureaucrats to tweet in Hindi and use the language for posting their comments on social networking websites such as Facebook, Google groups or blogs, a directive that is in line with the preference of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who chooses to speak only in Hindi in his diplomatic meetings with foreign leaders.

ET has accessed an order issued by the home ministry on May 27 — a day after the Modi government was sworn into power — that makes use of Hindi "compulsory" for use in social media by the government and its officials.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/home-ministry-asks-babus-to-use-hindi-on-social-networking-sites-directive-in-line-with-pm-narendra-modis-preference/articleshow/36677599.cms

Ha ha! Now you must be chanelling your inner Trollus Fishyeyeus, Comrade.

araNdavanukku iruNdadellam pEi!

by Hellsangel Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:37 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Cd

Again. The question is one of proportion. What is the need to call for a southern revolution ? You do not even know all the facts related even that one inter govt memo. You guys are ready to launch a language war accusing the other guy of language fascism. Then you launched into your diversionary tirade.
Think before you comment, who launched the language war? current govt. We're only resisting. Here is the latest
"NEW DELHI: The central government wants bureaucrats to tweet in Hindi and use the language for posting their comments on social networking websites such as Facebook, Google groups or blogs, a directive that is in line with the preference of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who chooses to speak only in Hindi in his diplomatic meetings with foreign leaders.

ET has accessed an order issued by the home ministry on May 27 — a day after the Modi government was sworn into power — that makes use of Hindi "compulsory" for use in social media by the government and its officials.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/home-ministry-asks-babus-to-use-hindi-on-social-networking-sites-directive-in-line-with-pm-narendra-modis-preference/articleshow/36677599.cms

Ha ha! Now you must be chanelling your inner Trollus Fishyeyeus, Comrade.

araNdavanukku iruNdadellam pEi!

Funny how you get worked up on behalf of Trollus every time, Il Professor-ai. If you thought I was implying Comrade is Trollus, I wasn't.

PS: Maybe you should make a deal with the devil and see if Kattabomman can be back.

by Idéfix Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:44 am

smArtha wrote:
Idéfix wrote:This Hindi-pushing is dangerous to the unity and integrity of the Indian republic. This is a big problem with the RSS and their vision of imposing homogeneity on the diverse Indian people. I hope southern legislators and ministers of all parties push back hard against this.

Where is Hindi pushing here. They are just saying that Hindi should also be the official language of communication along with English. They didn't replace English with Hindi, just restored it to the Official Language of Communication that it always was. And this is also restricted to the Union Govt and not imposed on State Govts.

Here:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

by indophile Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:04 am

Idéfix wrote:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Someone who doesn't know how to read or write Hindi may write in Telugu and append with a "hai." A friend of mine used to do that with Sanskrit. In Sanskrit exams he had no clue on how to answer the translation question, and he used to put a "ah" at the end of Telugu (Ekah nakkah aakalitOn gira-giraa aDavilO tirigih Ekah mRta Enugunu choosehi.....).

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:08 am

indophile wrote:
Idéfix wrote:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Someone who doesn't know how to read or write Hindi may write in Telugu and append with a "hai." A friend of mine used to do that with Sanskrit. In Sanskrit exams he had no clue on how to answer the translation question, and he used to put a "ah" at the end of Telugu (Ekah nakkah aakalitOn gira-giraa aDavilO tirigih Ekah mRta Enugunu choosehi.....).

telugus may start doing that when northindians start saying, "mera naam-u vinod-u gupta-u hai-u".

by indophile Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:23 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:
Idéfix wrote:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Someone who doesn't know how to read or write Hindi may write in Telugu and append with a "hai." A friend of mine used to do that with Sanskrit. In Sanskrit exams he had no clue on how to answer the translation question, and he used to put a "ah" at the end of Telugu (Ekah nakkah aakalitOn gira-giraa aDavilO tirigih Ekah mRta Enugunu choosehi.....).

telugus may start doing that when northindians start saying, "mera naam-u vinod-u gupta-u hai-u".

I thought Tamilians do it too. For example, the song "Why this Kolaveri Di" says,
"girl-u heart-u black-u....."

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:30 am

indophile wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:
Idéfix wrote:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Someone who doesn't know how to read or write Hindi may write in Telugu and append with a "hai." A friend of mine used to do that with Sanskrit. In Sanskrit exams he had no clue on how to answer the translation question, and he used to put a "ah" at the end of Telugu (Ekah nakkah aakalitOn gira-giraa aDavilO tirigih Ekah mRta Enugunu choosehi.....).

telugus may start doing that when northindians start saying, "mera naam-u vinod-u gupta-u hai-u".
I thought Tamilians do it too. For example, the song "Why this Kolaveri Di" says,
"girl-u heart-u black-u....."

True Tamils only do it with English. Not with Hindi. They don't speak Hindi.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:47 am

indophile wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:
Idéfix wrote:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Someone who doesn't know how to read or write Hindi may write in Telugu and append with a "hai." A friend of mine used to do that with Sanskrit. In Sanskrit exams he had no clue on how to answer the translation question, and he used to put a "ah" at the end of Telugu (Ekah nakkah aakalitOn gira-giraa aDavilO tirigih Ekah mRta Enugunu choosehi.....).

telugus may start doing that when northindians start saying, "mera naam-u vinod-u gupta-u hai-u".
I thought Tamilians do it too. For example, the song "Why this Kolaveri Di" says,
"girl-u heart-u black-u....."

your post was about telugus trying to speak in hindi. how did tamilians enter the picture?

by indophile Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:02 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:
Idéfix wrote:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Someone who doesn't know how to read or write Hindi may write in Telugu and append with a "hai." A friend of mine used to do that with Sanskrit. In Sanskrit exams he had no clue on how to answer the translation question, and he used to put a "ah" at the end of Telugu (Ekah nakkah aakalitOn gira-giraa aDavilO tirigih Ekah mRta Enugunu choosehi.....).

telugus may start doing that when northindians start saying, "mera naam-u vinod-u gupta-u hai-u".
I thought Tamilians do it too. For example, the song "Why this Kolaveri Di" says,
"girl-u heart-u black-u....."

your post was about telugus trying to speak in hindi. how did tamilians enter the picture?

My original post was about Telugus trying to "write" in Hindi whereas your reply post was about Telugus trying to "speak" in Hindi. Therefore I replied that Telugus own no patent on gratuitous "u" at the end when speaking, and provided an easily identifiable example of a non-Telugu guy doing that.

by Idéfix Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:41 am

Talking about Telugus writing in Hindi, I am reminded of what one of my aunts did in her Class 10 Hindi exam. She wrote an entire essay in Telugu in nAgari script, because she was and still is incapable of forming a proper Hindi sentence. She passed the exam.

by indophile Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:52 am

Idéfix wrote:Talking about Telugus writing in Hindi, I am reminded of what one of my aunts did in her Class 10 Hindi exam. She wrote an entire essay in Telugu in nAgari script, because she was and still is incapable of forming a proper Hindi sentence. She passed the exam.

LOL.
A relative of ours, a tax practitioner, took the Hindi test that he was required to clear in order to practice in certain areas. The essay question gave them 5 topic choices - something like Rainy Season, Movies, Agriculture, etc., and they had to write an essay on the topic of their choice. There was an instruction at the end of the question - apni apni bhasha me likhiye or something like that (use your own words, not something that's committed to memory from some test preparation guide). So my relative wrote a 5 or 6- page essay on movies .... in Telugu. He understood apni apni bhasha to mean your own language.

by smArtha Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:22 am

Idéfix wrote:Here:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Isn't that common sense that if someone sends a request in Hindi that a response to that should be in Hindi? How can they make an assumption that the requester understands any language other than the one they put the request in? It is not necessary that the Minister himself or the bureaucrats need to know any Hindi, they can always avail the services of translators a pool of them could be employed/contracted and shared by various ministries. In fact they should have translators to all languages of the country available for the Departments and Ministries to be able to send communication back and forth in any language. And they can start this with Hindi (being the language understood by over 40% of the population) and then extend to other major languages and then eventually to any language that has in excess of 1% of population speaking it.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:26 am

http://m.timesofindia.com/home/stoi/deep-focus/We-are-all-outsiders/articleshow/5135179.cms

wish there were more politicians like nayanar.

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:29 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://m.timesofindia.com/home/stoi/deep-focus/We-are-all-outsiders/articleshow/5135179.cms

What is your point, Il Professor-ai?

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:31 am

confuzzled dude wrote:In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hindi-finds-favour-in-modi-s-regime/article1-1229875.aspx

Would it be acceptable for a minister to write back, "Hindi nai maalum ... kindly send the translation in English (the other official language of India) for an appropriate response"?

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:36 am

Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:http://m.timesofindia.com/home/stoi/deep-focus/We-are-all-outsiders/articleshow/5135179.cms

What is your point, Il Professor-ai?

answered already.

by truthbetold Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:41 am

So what is the latest? did they change the nameplates on all govt buildings into only Hindi? what are they waiting for? they should follow kcr and close down all English channels all over India.
when are they going to have a massive million man march in Chennai?
come on guys. we are losing time.
Hindi is coming. south is doomed. Hindi is coming.

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:54 am

goodcitizn wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hindi-finds-favour-in-modi-s-regime/article1-1229875.aspx

Would it be acceptable for a minister to write back, "Hindi nai maalum ... kindly send the translation in English (the other official language of India) for an appropriate response"?

You lurker, you!

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:03 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
You lurker, you!

Not lurking, just checking in to see who's here. Many seem to be missing.

by Idéfix Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:18 pm

smArtha wrote:
Idéfix wrote:Here:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Isn't that common sense that if someone sends a request in Hindi that a response to that should be in Hindi? How can they make an assumption that the requester understands any language other than the one they put the request in? It is not necessary that the Minister himself or the bureaucrats need to know any Hindi, they can always avail the services of translators a pool of them could be employed/contracted and shared by various ministries. In fact they should have translators to all languages of the country available for the Departments and Ministries to be able to send communication back and forth in any language. And they can start this with Hindi (being the language understood by over 40% of the population) and then extend to other major languages and then eventually to any language that has in excess of 1% of population speaking it.

Why can't the sender of the original letter use a translator? English is an official language of the Union and it should be perfectly acceptable to respond to any official communication in English regardless of the language of the original request.

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:26 pm

Idéfix wrote:
smArtha wrote:
Idéfix wrote:Here:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Isn't that common sense that if someone sends a request in Hindi that a response to that should be in Hindi? How can they make an assumption that the requester understands any language other than the one they put the request in? It is not necessary that the Minister himself or the bureaucrats need to know any Hindi, they can always avail the services of translators a pool of them could be employed/contracted and shared by various ministries. In fact they should have translators to all languages of the country available for the Departments and Ministries to be able to send communication back and forth in any language. And they can start this with Hindi (being the language understood by over 40% of the population) and then extend to other major languages and then eventually to any language that has in excess of 1% of population speaking it.

Why can't the sender of the original letter use a translator? English is an official language of the Union and it should be perfectly acceptable to respond to any official communication in English regardless of the language of the original request.

Agree. Why should the onus be on the receiver to get a translator? The originator in Hindi must use a translator to send the same message in English for those who don't know Hindi. Their response in English could be translated back to the originator.

by smArtha Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:02 pm

Idéfix wrote:Why can't the sender of the original letter use a translator? English is an official language of the Union and it should be perfectly acceptable to respond to any official communication in English regardless of the language of the original request.

Demographics. Even today more people in India speak Hindi and other languages than English. How can you make an assumption that the requester knows English or any other language than what he sent the request in? Ministries and Departments are Public Service bodies and they have the onus to be public friendly. Not the other way around.

by indophile Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:05 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
smArtha wrote:
Idéfix wrote:Here:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Isn't that common sense that if someone sends a request in Hindi that a response to that should be in Hindi? How can they make an assumption that the requester understands any language other than the one they put the request in? It is not necessary that the Minister himself or the bureaucrats need to know any Hindi, they can always avail the services of translators a pool of them could be employed/contracted and shared by various ministries. In fact they should have translators to all languages of the country available for the Departments and Ministries to be able to send communication back and forth in any language. And they can start this with Hindi (being the language understood by over 40% of the population) and then extend to other major languages and then eventually to any language that has in excess of 1% of population speaking it.

Why can't the sender of the original letter use a translator? English is an official language of the Union and it should be perfectly acceptable to respond to any official communication in English regardless of the language of the original request.

Agree. Why should the onus be on the receiver to get a translator? The originator in Hindi must use a translator to send the same message in English for those who don't know Hindi. Their response in English could be translated back to the originator.

They can use Google to translate for communication. For example:

How do you do? The tablets are going well in the market. Keep in touch with me. Have a nice day.

Translate the above as -

aap kaise karte ho? bazaar main goliyan accha chal rahi hai. choote raho mujhe. accha din lo.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:07 pm

indophile wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
smArtha wrote:
Idéfix wrote:Here:

In its circular dated June 10, DOL has also asked ministries to ensure that responses to letter sent in Hindi should be in that language only.

Read that carefully. The problem is with the word only.

Isn't that common sense that if someone sends a request in Hindi that a response to that should be in Hindi? How can they make an assumption that the requester understands any language other than the one they put the request in? It is not necessary that the Minister himself or the bureaucrats need to know any Hindi, they can always avail the services of translators a pool of them could be employed/contracted and shared by various ministries. In fact they should have translators to all languages of the country available for the Departments and Ministries to be able to send communication back and forth in any language. And they can start this with Hindi (being the language understood by over 40% of the population) and then extend to other major languages and then eventually to any language that has in excess of 1% of population speaking it.

Why can't the sender of the original letter use a translator? English is an official language of the Union and it should be perfectly acceptable to respond to any official communication in English regardless of the language of the original request.

Agree. Why should the onus be on the receiver to get a translator? The originator in Hindi must use a translator to send the same message in English for those who don't know Hindi. Their response in English could be translated back to the originator.
They can use Google to translate for communication. For example:

How do you do? The tablets are going well in the market. Keep in touch with me. Have a nice day.

Translate the above as -

aap kaise karte ho? bazaar main goliyan accha chal rahi hai. choote raho mujhe. accha din lo.

as they say, good enough for government work.

by smArtha Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:10 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Agree. Why should the onus be on the receiver to get a translator? The originator in Hindi must use a translator to send the same message in English for those who don't know Hindi. Their response in English could be translated back to the originator.

So, instead of the 100 odd departments or ministries of the Union Government, the entire billion plus population if India should either a) become proficient in English or b) pay for translation services to be able to interact with the Government. Do you see the absurdity in this suggestion? Besides, English still is understood by no more than 20% (best case estimates) than the 60+% that understand Hindi. I'm not saying communication cannot be in English or other Languages. The default communication should be English and Hindi and the specific communications targeting an individual or group or region of the country should be in the native language of that counter party.

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