Priority of Modi Govt: Rs 200 crore allotted for Sardar Patel statue even as millions of Indians starve

smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

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smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

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smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

Rashmun wrote:

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smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

It is criminal to spend over Rs 2,000 crore on a statue even as millions in India starve. We need to find ways to increase food production to feed our people.

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Rashmun wrote:

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smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

It is criminal to spend over Rs 2,000 crore on a statue even as millions in India starve. We need to find ways to increase food production to feed our people.

It is nothing compared to what CONmen did with the black money they stashed away cheating the people.

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smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

It is criminal to spend over Rs 2,000 crore on a statue even as millions in India starve. We need to find ways to increase food production to feed our people.

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Rashmun wrote:

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smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

It is criminal to spend over Rs 2,000 crore on a statue even as millions in India starve. We need to find ways to increase food production to feed our people.

Ah! We have amongst us a person who cares for the starving millions. Now what I wonder is why this person forgot the starving millions when Haj Subsidy was given to more than 1.5 Million Muslims in the past 14 years. By all accounts the Haj subsidy alone comes to around $1800 (2008 reports) per person. Assuming an average of $1500 for the past 14 years,  this translates to about 2.3 Billion USD OR about 14000 Crores. Now how many people we could have fed with 14000 crores ? Why didn't this person not think about those starving souls, when government money was being spent OR some would say wasted, on Haj Subsidy ? 

Surely if 200 Crores in just one year (a one time grant) can feed starving millions, 1000 crores (average haj subsidy year) for the past 14 years, can feed 70 times more population ?

According to ASI of India, websites 605 Crores is spent each year on ASI activities, a big bulk of them includes maintenance of  stuff like Tombs etc., (mostly belonging to the Mughal and pre-mughal Political islamists, some of whom are guilty of crimes against large sections of Indian population). Why aren't the starving millions thought about when Government money is spent on the upkeep of their monuments ?

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smArtha wrote:How much did all these memorials cost? Also how about all the statues and busts of various Nehru dynasty leaders installed at different chowks or centers across the length and breadth of the country? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Ghat_and_associated_memorials

Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

It is criminal to spend over Rs 2,000 crore on a statue even as millions in India starve. We need to find ways to increase food production to feed our people.

Ah! We have amongst us a person who cares for the starving millions. Now what I wonder is why this person forgot the starving millions when Haj Subsidy was given to more than 1.5 Million Muslims in the past 14 years. By all accounts the Haj subsidy alone comes to around $1800 (2008 reports) per person. Assuming an average of $1500 for the past 14 years,  this translates to about 2.3 Billion USD OR about 14000 Crores. Now how many people we could have fed with 14000 crores ? Why didn't this person not think about those starving souls, when government money was being spent OR some would say wasted, on Haj Subsidy ? 

Surely if 200 Crores in just one year (a one time grant) can feed starving millions, 1000 crores (average haj subsidy year) for the past 14 years, can feed 70 times more population ?

According to ASI of India, websites 605 Crores is spent each year on ASI activities, a big bulk of them includes maintenance of  stuff like Tombs etc., (mostly belonging to the Mughal and pre-mughal Political islamists, some of whom are guilty of crimes against large sections of Indian population). Why aren't the starving millions thought about when Government money is spent on the upkeep of their monuments ?

Isn't subsidy also given to hindus who go for Kailasa Mansarovar Yatra or Amarnath Yatra? What about subsidy to Sikhs who on pilgrimage to Nankana Sahib?

Regarding ASI activities a huge chunk of money is also spent on maintaining Budhist and Jain monuments besides of course Hindu temples. There is also the question of Sufi shrines where both hindus and Muslims go to worship. You are just blabbering away without proper facts and thus discrediting yourself.

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Two wrongs don't make one right. Sardar Patel would have been better honored by opening schools, colleges, hospitals, and clean public toilets in his name.

It is criminal to spend over Rs 2,000 crore on a statue even as millions in India starve. We need to find ways to increase food production to feed our people.

Ah! We have amongst us a person who cares for the starving millions. Now what I wonder is why this person forgot the starving millions when Haj Subsidy was given to more than 1.5 Million Muslims in the past 14 years. By all accounts the Haj subsidy alone comes to around $1800 (2008 reports) per person. Assuming an average of $1500 for the past 14 years,  this translates to about 2.3 Billion USD OR about 14000 Crores. Now how many people we could have fed with 14000 crores ? Why didn't this person not think about those starving souls, when government money was being spent OR some would say wasted, on Haj Subsidy ? 

Surely if 200 Crores in just one year (a one time grant) can feed starving millions, 1000 crores (average haj subsidy year) for the past 14 years, can feed 70 times more population ?

According to ASI of India, websites 605 Crores is spent each year on ASI activities, a big bulk of them includes maintenance of  stuff like Tombs etc., (mostly belonging to the Mughal and pre-mughal Political islamists, some of whom are guilty of crimes against large sections of Indian population). Why aren't the starving millions thought about when Government money is spent on the upkeep of their monuments ?

Isn't subsidy also given to hindus who go for Kailasa Mansarovar Yatra or Amarnath Yatra? What about subsidy to Sikhs who on pilgrimage to Nankana Sahib?

Regarding ASI activities a huge chunk of money is also spent on maintaining Budhist and Jain monuments besides of course Hindu temples. There is also the question of Sufi shrines where both hindus and Muslims go to worship. You are just blabbering away without proper facts and thus discrediting yourself.

The claim that most funds of ASI are spent on conserving Muslim monuments is pure fantasy.

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Rashmun wrote:

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It is criminal to spend over Rs 2,000 crore on a statue even as millions in India starve. We need to find ways to increase food production to feed our people.

Ah! We have amongst us a person who cares for the starving millions. Now what I wonder is why this person forgot the starving millions when Haj Subsidy was given to more than 1.5 Million Muslims in the past 14 years. By all accounts the Haj subsidy alone comes to around $1800 (2008 reports) per person. Assuming an average of $1500 for the past 14 years,  this translates to about 2.3 Billion USD OR about 14000 Crores. Now how many people we could have fed with 14000 crores ? Why didn't this person not think about those starving souls, when government money was being spent OR some would say wasted, on Haj Subsidy ? 

Surely if 200 Crores in just one year (a one time grant) can feed starving millions, 1000 crores (average haj subsidy year) for the past 14 years, can feed 70 times more population ?

According to ASI of India, websites 605 Crores is spent each year on ASI activities, a big bulk of them includes maintenance of  stuff like Tombs etc., (mostly belonging to the Mughal and pre-mughal Political islamists, some of whom are guilty of crimes against large sections of Indian population). Why aren't the starving millions thought about when Government money is spent on the upkeep of their monuments ?

Isn't subsidy also given to hindus who go for Kailasa Mansarovar Yatra or Amarnath Yatra? What about subsidy to Sikhs who on pilgrimage to Nankana Sahib?

Regarding ASI activities a huge chunk of money is also spent on maintaining Budhist and Jain monuments besides of course Hindu temples. There is also the question of Sufi shrines where both hindus and Muslims go to worship. You are just blabbering away without proper facts and thus discrediting yourself.

The claim that most funds of ASI are spent on conserving Muslim monuments is pure fantasy.

I am not the one raising questions. You are one asking questions about the statue. So let us talk about Haj subsidy. Why don't we abolish this 14000 Crores subsidy and feed 70 times the population, that you can feed with 200 Crores ? Why didn't you ask these questions at point of time for the past 14 years and worry about the "starving millions". Surely 14000 Crores is a lot of money ? The money I refer to is the money spent on Haj Subsidy alone. Why didn't you ask about this enormous wastage of money ?

Now even if one/third of 605 Crores by ASI was spent every year, why should we spend all this money on tombs of Islamic invaders, when the money can be spent on starving millions? These monuments/memorials are no different than statues in terms of their utility and in addition occupy more land.  200 crores over 10 years is 2000 crores. We can feed 10 times the population compared to the amount you talk about. Unlike the one time savings we talk about w.r.to the statue, avoiding allegedly wasteful spending in these two schemes will lead us to give food to starving millions every year for the next decade and could have fed starving millions in the past decade.

So sum total we can feed 80 times the amount of people we can feed with 200 crores, Surely a concerned soul like you, who worry day and night about "starving millions", will be supportive of such noble suggestions ?

Rashmun wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Ah! We have amongst us a person who cares for the starving millions. Now what I wonder is why this person forgot the starving millions when Haj Subsidy was given to more than 1.5 Million Muslims in the past 14 years. By all accounts the Haj subsidy alone comes to around $1800 (2008 reports) per person. Assuming an average of $1500 for the past 14 years,  this translates to about 2.3 Billion USD OR about 14000 Crores. Now how many people we could have fed with 14000 crores ? Why didn't this person not think about those starving souls, when government money was being spent OR some would say wasted, on Haj Subsidy ? 

Surely if 200 Crores in just one year (a one time grant) can feed starving millions, 1000 crores (average haj subsidy year) for the past 14 years, can feed 70 times more population ?

According to ASI of India, websites 605 Crores is spent each year on ASI activities, a big bulk of them includes maintenance of  stuff like Tombs etc., (mostly belonging to the Mughal and pre-mughal Political islamists, some of whom are guilty of crimes against large sections of Indian population). Why aren't the starving millions thought about when Government money is spent on the upkeep of their monuments ?

Isn't subsidy also given to hindus who go for Kailasa Mansarovar Yatra or Amarnath Yatra? What about subsidy to Sikhs who on pilgrimage to Nankana Sahib?

Regarding ASI activities a huge chunk of money is also spent on maintaining Budhist and Jain monuments besides of course Hindu temples. There is also the question of Sufi shrines where both hindus and Muslims go to worship. You are just blabbering away without proper facts and thus discrediting yourself.

The claim that most funds of ASI are spent on conserving Muslim monuments is pure fantasy.

I am not the one raising questions. You are one asking questions about the statue. So let us talk about Haj subsidy. Why don't we abolish this 14000 Crores subsidy and feed 70 times the population, that you can feed with 200 Crores ? Why didn't you ask these questions at point of time for the past 14 years and worry about the "starving millions". Surely 14000 Crores is a lot of money ? The money I refer to is the money spent on Haj Subsidy alone. Why didn't you ask about this enormous wastage of money ?

Now even if one/third of 605 Crores by ASI was spent every year, why should we spend all this money on tombs of Islamic invaders, when the money can be spent on starving millions? These monuments/memorials are no different than statues in terms of their utility and in addition occupy more land.  200 crores over 10 years is 2000 crores. We can feed 10 times the population compared to the amount you talk about. Unlike the one time savings we talk about w.r.to the statue, avoiding allegedly wasteful spending in these two schemes will lead us to give food to starving millions every year for the next decade and could have fed starving millions in the past decade.

So sum total we can feed 80 times the amount of people we can feed with 200 crores, Surely a concerned soul like you, who worry day and night about "starving millions", will be supportive of such noble suggestions ?

It is useful to spend money on ancient and medieval sites of historical importance because an understanding and appreciation of our history and culture serves as a glue to keep the country together. Otherwise since India is so diverse and disparate it might break apart if we forget our history.

But constructing new Rs  2,000 crores statues in the modern age when millions in India are starving is a criminal waste of money.

If the country breaks apart the poor will become even poorer and the not so poor will become poor. So it is important to do everything we can to keep the country together even as we fight the war against poverty, malnutrition, etc.

rawemotions wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

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Isn't subsidy also given to hindus who go for Kailasa Mansarovar Yatra or Amarnath Yatra? What about subsidy to Sikhs who on pilgrimage to Nankana Sahib?

Regarding ASI activities a huge chunk of money is also spent on maintaining Budhist and Jain monuments besides of course Hindu temples. There is also the question of Sufi shrines where both hindus and Muslims go to worship. You are just blabbering away without proper facts and thus discrediting yourself.

The claim that most funds of ASI are spent on conserving Muslim monuments is pure fantasy.

I am not the one raising questions. You are one asking questions about the statue. So let us talk about Haj subsidy. Why don't we abolish this 14000 Crores subsidy and feed 70 times the population, that you can feed with 200 Crores ? Why didn't you ask these questions at point of time for the past 14 years and worry about the "starving millions". Surely 14000 Crores is a lot of money ? The money I refer to is the money spent on Haj Subsidy alone. Why didn't you ask about this enormous wastage of money ?

Now even if one/third of 605 Crores by ASI was spent every year, why should we spend all this money on tombs of Islamic invaders, when the money can be spent on starving millions? These monuments/memorials are no different than statues in terms of their utility and in addition occupy more land.  200 crores over 10 years is 2000 crores. We can feed 10 times the population compared to the amount you talk about. Unlike the one time savings we talk about w.r.to the statue, avoiding allegedly wasteful spending in these two schemes will lead us to give food to starving millions every year for the next decade and could have fed starving millions in the past decade.

So sum total we can feed 80 times the amount of people we can feed with 200 crores, Surely a concerned soul like you, who worry day and night about "starving millions", will be supportive of such noble suggestions ?

It is useful to spend money on ancient and medieval sites of historical importance because an understanding and appreciation of our history and culture serves as a glue to keep the country together. Otherwise since India is so diverse and disparate it might break apart if we forget our history.

But constructing new Rs  2,000 crores statues in the modern age when millions in India are starving is a criminal waste of money.

If the country breaks apart the poor will become even poorer and the not so poor will become poor. So it is important to do everything we can to keep the country together even as we fight the war against poverty, malnutrition, etc.

You did not answer my question on the starving millions that could be saved by Haj subsidy and eliminating upkeep of wasteful tombs of Islamic invaders. Clearly you do not care about the possibility of feeding the starving millions at 80 times the number of people that could be fed by just 200 crores.

Rashmun wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

The claim that most funds of ASI are spent on conserving Muslim monuments is pure fantasy.

I am not the one raising questions. You are one asking questions about the statue. So let us talk about Haj subsidy. Why don't we abolish this 14000 Crores subsidy and feed 70 times the population, that you can feed with 200 Crores ? Why didn't you ask these questions at point of time for the past 14 years and worry about the "starving millions". Surely 14000 Crores is a lot of money ? The money I refer to is the money spent on Haj Subsidy alone. Why didn't you ask about this enormous wastage of money ?

Now even if one/third of 605 Crores by ASI was spent every year, why should we spend all this money on tombs of Islamic invaders, when the money can be spent on starving millions? These monuments/memorials are no different than statues in terms of their utility and in addition occupy more land.  200 crores over 10 years is 2000 crores. We can feed 10 times the population compared to the amount you talk about. Unlike the one time savings we talk about w.r.to the statue, avoiding allegedly wasteful spending in these two schemes will lead us to give food to starving millions every year for the next decade and could have fed starving millions in the past decade.

So sum total we can feed 80 times the amount of people we can feed with 200 crores, Surely a concerned soul like you, who worry day and night about "starving millions", will be supportive of such noble suggestions ?

It is useful to spend money on ancient and medieval sites of historical importance because an understanding and appreciation of our history and culture serves as a glue to keep the country together. Otherwise since India is so diverse and disparate it might break apart if we forget our history.

But constructing new Rs  2,000 crores statues in the modern age when millions in India are starving is a criminal waste of money.

If the country breaks apart the poor will become even poorer and the not so poor will become poor. So it is important to do everything we can to keep the country together even as we fight the war against poverty, malnutrition, etc.

You did not answer my question on the starving millions that could be saved by Haj subsidy and eliminating upkeep of wasteful tombs of Islamic invaders. Clearly you do not care about the possibility of feeding the starving millions at 80 times the number of people that could be fed by just 200 crores.

Haj subsidy and also subsidy to hindus for going to Kailasa/Mansarovar and Amarnath Yatra should be scrapped.

With respect to upkeep of historical monuments like Taj Mahal, Qutub Minar, Ajanta/Ellora caves ( paintings and sculptures), Khajuraho, etc. I have given my reason as to why the upkeep of these monuments is important. Also, a large chunk of the funds required for upkeep of Islamic monuments are provided by private Islamic organizations like the Aga Khan Foundation. As an example see here:

http://www.akdn.org/Content/1202

rawemotions wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
I am not the one raising questions. You are one asking questions about the statue. So let us talk about Haj subsidy. Why don't we abolish this 14000 Crores subsidy and feed 70 times the population, that you can feed with 200 Crores ? Why didn't you ask these questions at point of time for the past 14 years and worry about the "starving millions". Surely 14000 Crores is a lot of money ? The money I refer to is the money spent on Haj Subsidy alone. Why didn't you ask about this enormous wastage of money ?

Now even if one/third of 605 Crores by ASI was spent every year, why should we spend all this money on tombs of Islamic invaders, when the money can be spent on starving millions? These monuments/memorials are no different than statues in terms of their utility and in addition occupy more land.  200 crores over 10 years is 2000 crores. We can feed 10 times the population compared to the amount you talk about. Unlike the one time savings we talk about w.r.to the statue, avoiding allegedly wasteful spending in these two schemes will lead us to give food to starving millions every year for the next decade and could have fed starving millions in the past decade.

So sum total we can feed 80 times the amount of people we can feed with 200 crores, Surely a concerned soul like you, who worry day and night about "starving millions", will be supportive of such noble suggestions ?

It is useful to spend money on ancient and medieval sites of historical importance because an understanding and appreciation of our history and culture serves as a glue to keep the country together. Otherwise since India is so diverse and disparate it might break apart if we forget our history.

But constructing new Rs  2,000 crores statues in the modern age when millions in India are starving is a criminal waste of money.

If the country breaks apart the poor will become even poorer and the not so poor will become poor. So it is important to do everything we can to keep the country together even as we fight the war against poverty, malnutrition, etc.

You did not answer my question on the starving millions that could be saved by Haj subsidy and eliminating upkeep of wasteful tombs of Islamic invaders. Clearly you do not care about the possibility of feeding the starving millions at 80 times the number of people that could be fed by just 200 crores.

Haj subsidy and also subsidy to hindus for going to Kailasa/Mansarovar and Amarnath Yatra should be scrapped.

With respect to upkeep of historical monuments like Taj Mahal, Qutub Minar, Ajanta/Ellora caves ( paintings and sculptures), Khajuraho, etc. I have given my reason as to why the upkeep of these monuments is important. Also, a large chunk of the funds required for upkeep of Islamic monuments are provided by private Islamic organizations like the Aga Khan Foundation. As an example see here:

http://www.akdn.org/Content/1202

Well did you have reading comprehension issues, that you conveniently forgot to respond the first time? Anyhow, the point is that you did not raise your voice against this wasteful expenditure for the past 10 years, and did  not worry about the "starving millions", when this kind of wasteful expenditure was going on, including the allegedly utterly wasteful expenditure on the upkeep of the tombs of Islamic Invaders, whatever be the government portion in its upkeep.