Andhra Capital

by indophile Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:42 am

I can understand wanting the capital in the coastal region than in Rayalaseema (another Hyderabad can happen 50 years from now, who knows!)

I can understand it being somewhere in the middle of the state (easy access to all districts)

I can't understand a capital being constructed by acquiring land from private owners in between Vijayawada and Guntur (with real estate type deals - we take the land now, develop it, give it back to you, and we pay rent to you/your offspring/your offsprings' offspring for 100 years or till eternity). Why not some other place in the same general area (Amaravati, Prakasam Dt., etc.) where there is plenty of govt. land that's free?

Why Mangalagiri of all places? This is the place where 14,000 unarmed people were massacred in a single day by a Bahmani Sultan, and the Sultan duly annointed himself with the honorofic Ghazi (defender of the faith or destroyer of the infidels, some such thing). And Naidu's folks want to make that place the capital? If anything, they should build a memorial on the temple hill in that place, not a capital.

Should commercialism always triumph? Should we disregard historical events? Do we have no respect for certain grounds? All the AP leaders should bow their heads in shame if they selct that place for the new capital.

This is no different from Walmart pushing to establish stores in Civil War battlefields.

by Guest Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:54 am

have they decided what is to be the name of the new capital?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:33 am

Rashmun wrote:have they decided what is to be the name of the new capital?

They will announce it in a couple of days (but it will be close to Guntur & Vijayawada, not necessarily near Mangalagiri where land is very expensive).

This time, unlike the last time when coastal people put all their eggs in one basket - "Bhaagyanagar", AP will have diversified development. If that happens, it doesn't matter where the capital is as long as it is accessible to people of all regions.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:11 pm

Amaravati/Dharanikota, Kondaveedu, Kondapalli, Srikakulam (of Krishna dist), Gudimetla and Ramannapeta - are all close to river Krishna and to Guntur and Vijayawada.

They were all capitals at one time or the other.

Apparently, AP govt is mulling over the idea of a new capital in the same area straddling along Krishna river. Land around Amaravati/Kondaveedu area is not that expensive. If they go for the triangle between Kondaveedu-Amaravati-Gurazala, Palnadu region can be included to highlight the pride and self-respect of Andhra people (of the kind we see in Japanese culture - Samurai, Kami Kaze, etc).

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140726/nation-current-affairs/article/history-repeats-how-kings-picked-capitals

by Guest Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:17 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Amaravati/Dharanikota, Kondaveedu, Kondapalli, Srikakulam (of Krishna dist), Gudimetla and Ramannapeta - are all close to river Krishna and to Guntur and Vijayawada.

They were all capitals at one time or the other.

Apparently, AP govt is mulling over the idea of a new capital in the same area straddling along Krishna river. Land around Amaravati/Kondaveedu area is not that expensive. If they go for the triangle between Kondaveedu-Amaravati-Gurazala, Palnadu region can be included to highlight the pride and self-respect of Andhra people (of the kind we see in Japanese culture - Samurai, Kami Kaze, etc).

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140726/nation-current-affairs/article/history-repeats-how-kings-picked-capitals

What do you think of the name 'Hinmusyn' for the capital city?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:29 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Amaravati/Dharanikota, Kondaveedu, Kondapalli, Srikakulam (of Krishna dist), Gudimetla and Ramannapeta - are all close to river Krishna and to Guntur and Vijayawada.

They were all capitals at one time or the other.

Apparently, AP govt is mulling over the idea of a new capital in the same area straddling along Krishna river. Land around Amaravati/Kondaveedu area is not that expensive. If they go for the triangle between Kondaveedu-Amaravati-Gurazala, Palnadu region can be included to highlight the pride and self-respect of Andhra people (of the kind we see in Japanese culture - Samurai, Kami Kaze, etc).

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140726/nation-current-affairs/article/history-repeats-how-kings-picked-capitals

What do you think of the name 'Hinmusyn' for the capital city?

LOL. May be Lucknow should be changed to 'Hinmusyn'.

Muslims aren't a large group in AP. So, there won't be any pieceful names likes -bads, -hores, -dads, etc. Also, there is no need to have a second language. In Telangana they have to continue with Urdu as the second language.

May be, KCR should change Hyderabad to 'Hinmusyn' (Muslims are 40% of Hyd's population).

by truthbetold Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:33 pm

indophile wrote:I can understand wanting the capital in the coastal region than in Rayalaseema (another Hyderabad can happen 50 years from now, who knows!)

I can understand it being somewhere in the middle of the state (easy access to all districts)

I can't understand a capital being constructed by acquiring land from private owners in between Vijayawada and Guntur (with real estate type deals - we take the land now, develop it, give it back to you, and we pay rent to you/your offspring/your offsprings' offspring for 100 years or till eternity). Why not some other place in the same general area (Amaravati, Prakasam Dt., etc.) where there is plenty of govt. land that's free?

Why Mangalagiri of all places? This is the place where 14,000 unarmed people were massacred in a single day by a Bahmani Sultan, and the Sultan duly annointed himself with the honorofic Ghazi (defender of the faith or destroyer of the infidels, some such thing). And Naidu's folks want to make that place the capital? If anything, they should build a memorial on the temple hill in that place, not a capital.

Should commercialism always triumph? Should we disregard historical events? Do we have no respect for certain grounds? All the AP leaders should bow their heads in shame if they selct that place for the new capital.

This is no different from Walmart pushing to establish stores in Civil War battlefields.

Indo,

If a massacre was carried out by an enemy, one can erect a memorial. I know you are only focusing on memorial aspect. Here is another way of looking at it.

Making the whole place a smasana vatika is defeatism. It also sounds like old thinking on rape. If a goon carries out a rape, some how the punishment is for the women who was subjected to the rape. By punishment, I am referring to how indian society isolates and looks down upon the raped woman. Instead the society should help the woman to reestablish herself and forge ahead in life. That would be a fitting reply to the rapist. Same with Mangalagiri people. They were the oppressed. they should rise up and prove to world their spirit is alive and they are the center of a new world. Bahamani sultans and their culture is dead. Managala giri is alive. Its people are thriving.

by indophile Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:03 am

I am not saying make it a smasanavatika. I am just saying be respectful and leave it alone, as it is today with the temple and pilgrims and all. Don't make it the seat of govt, that too paying exorbitant amounts (now and forever) at taxpayers' expense (or central govt's funds) to please commercial interests and/or a few friends with real estate type deals, and in the process ruining prime agricultural land. That's money better spent doing something useful for a vast majority of the people.

by truthbetold Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:12 am

indophile wrote:I am not saying make it a smasanavatika. I am just saying be respectful and leave it alone, as it is today with the temple and pilgrims and all. Don't make it the seat of govt, that too paying exorbitant amounts (now and forever) at taxpayers' expense (or central govt's funds) to please commercial interests and/or a few friends with real estate type deals, and in the process ruining prime agricultural land. That's money better spent doing something useful for a vast majority of the people.

indo
the economic arguments are out there and are not part of my post. The idea that massacre should in any way influence the discussion is not acceptable.

by indophile Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:43 pm

Okay, let us agree to disagree.

by truthbetold Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:23 pm

indophile wrote:Okay, let us agree to disagree.

OK.

The latest statements by sivaramakrishnan comm suggests that surrounding areas will be considered. While details unknown to us could decide final decision, what is likely to happen is that capital will be with in 50 km from vijayawada in any direction, nuzvid or vinukonda or amaravati or some other unannounced place.

My own preference is amaravati and it seems to have a very good chance.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:35 pm

truthbetold wrote:
indophile wrote:Okay, let us agree to disagree.
OK.

The latest statements by sivaramakrishnan comm suggests that surrounding areas will be considered. While details unknown to us could decide final decision, what is likely to happen is that capital will be with in 50 km from vijayawada in any direction, nuzvid or vinukonda or amaravati or some other unannounced place.

My own preference is amaravati and it seems to have a very good chance.

And..... They are looking at Canberra, Bhubaneswar, Sacramento, Gandhinagar, etc., as examples. In addition, Sivaramakrishnan made a statement that the CM is in favor of diversified development and compared AP to Kerala. So, the capital will not be the dominant aspect of the development agenda. Most likely, it will be in a backward region with lots of existing govt. lands and inexpensive private land where there isn't too much agricultural activity. This will certainly leave out Mangalagiri and the coastal belt. Western regions of Guntur dist have places with such lands. So, the capital will be somewhere there, near Krishna river. The real bickering will be for the big institutes (IIT, IIM, AIIMS, central U, etc.), smart cities, the industrial clusters, etc. If I were from Seema, I will fight for these than for a downsized capital (which is what they are thinking).

by truthbetold Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:16 pm

VP
Some amount of competition for national institutes is good and is justified. If that translates to votes for development instead votes for subsidies, it is better for the economy and for the state.

Mid sized capital
Major cities - Vizag, vza-guntur, tirupati, anantapur
14 development clusters (district centers) each with a decent hospital and educational facility
Promised national institutions

Polavaram

That is good work for one 5 year term. But all this is still insufficient to put AP back in normal mode.

by confuzzled dude Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:07 pm

truthbetold wrote:VP
Some amount of competition for national institutes is good and is justified. If that translates to votes for development instead votes for subsidies, it is better for the economy and for the state.

Mid sized capital
Major cities - Vizag, vza-guntur, tirupati, anantapur
14 development clusters (district centers) each with a decent hospital and educational facility
Promised national institutions

Polavaram

That is good work for one 5 year term. But all this is still insufficient to put AP back in normal mode.

Would a world class (top 5 in the world) is good enough to be a midsized capital or does the govt need to focus & invest a bit more to make it an average midsized capital?

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