India renamed as Bharat

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:57 pm

It's high time India is renamed as Bharat. Time to bring back old names. Madras was renamed as Chennai, Bombay as Mumbai, Calcutta as Kolkata, Trivandrum as Tiruvanantapuram, Bangalore as Bengaluru, etc. Why not India as Bharat? Hope it gets done soon.

by smArtha Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:19 pm

It should be 'bhAratam' not the hindi version of it Very Happy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_names_of_India

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:35 pm

smArtha wrote:It should be 'bhAratam' not the hindi version of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_names_of_India

But the short form for Mahabharatam is Bharatam. How abt Bharatavarsha?

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:10 pm

just checked wiki.
The official names as set down in article 1 of the Indian constitution are:
English: India;Sanskrit: भारत (Bhārata)

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:18 pm

Kinnera wrote:
smArtha wrote:It should be 'bhAratam' not the hindi version of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_names_of_India
But the short form for Mahabharatam is Bharatam. How abt Bharatavarsha?

Bharatha Naadu

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:30 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
smArtha wrote:It should be 'bhAratam' not the hindi version of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_names_of_India
But the short form for Mahabharatam is Bharatam. How abt Bharatavarsha?

Bharatha Naadu

It already has its official name :Bharata. In telugu we say Bharatadesam.

by nevada Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:54 pm

Don't they already call India "Bharat" in news announcements, cricket commentary etc?

by confuzzled dude Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:09 pm

You're gonna upset Modiji & his fellow chaddis with these non-hindu names; it will be Akhand Bharat

by truthbetold Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:34 pm

bharat reminds me of manoj kumar and songs from his movies.

Pran, manna dey. what more can one say.

Listen to the last minute from 4:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIiHAKDfksk

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:48 pm

since we were invaded by aryans, how about 'the nation formerly known as dravidanaadu'?

by truthbetold Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:57 pm

Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:11 pm

nevada wrote:Don't they already call India "Bharat" in news announcements, cricket commentary etc?

Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.

by confuzzled dude Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:23 pm

Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:Don't they already call India "Bharat" in news announcements, cricket commentary etc?
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.

What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:46 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:Don't they already call India "Bharat" in news announcements, cricket commentary etc?
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.

It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:50 pm

truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4

can't relate to no rafi or naushad. aren't you a telugu or something?

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:53 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4

can't relate to no rafi or naushad. aren't you a telugu or something?

enti nee badha?

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:54 pm

Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:Don't they already call India "Bharat" in news announcements, cricket commentary etc?
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:56 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:Don't they already call India "Bharat" in news announcements, cricket commentary etc?
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.

It is Sanatana Dharma

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:01 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:Don't they already call India "Bharat" in news announcements, cricket commentary etc?
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.

Megasthanes had written a book called Indica to refer to the present day
Indian sub-continent. Pax Indica is the name of a Shashi Tharoor book about India.

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:03 pm

Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.
It is Sanatana Dharma

the term Sanatana Dharma also does not figure in any Hindu scripture. This term has been coined in either the 20th or 19th century while the terms Hindu and Hinduism have been coined in medieval times.

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:10 pm

'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:13 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.
It is Sanatana Dharma

the term Sanatana Dharma also does not figure in any Hindu scripture. This term has been coined in either the 20th or 19th century while the terms Hindu and Hinduism have been coined in medieval times.

We are not getting into discussion on when it was coined. Sanatana Dharma is an appropriate name which describes the nature of the religion. 'Hindu/Hinduism' just refers to the geography.

Stick to the topic. We are talking about Bharat/Bharata.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:17 pm

Kinnera wrote:'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!

because there was broad agreement amongst residents of those cities. no such agreement exists for the name of the country. it appears to be a boondoggle initiated by a couple of northindianese loving telugus on this board and serves no useful purpose.

by confuzzled dude Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:18 pm

Kinnera wrote:'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!

Present day India was never a single entity/country, united states of Hindus (samyuktha hindu rashtram/desam) would be appropriate than Bharat.

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:22 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!

because there was broad agreement amongst residents of those cities. no such agreement exists for the name of the country. it appears to be a boondoggle initiated by a couple of northindianese loving telugus on this board and serves no useful purpose.

Oh the topic is floating around and many ppl are for it, except for some insecure language and religious fanatics on this board.

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:24 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!
Present day India was never a single entity/country, united states of Hindus (samyuktha hindu rashtram/desam) would be appropriate than Bharat.

There's something that connected/connects the ppl of this entire country, though it may not have been an entity/country. That's the beauty and mystery of it!

by confuzzled dude Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:25 pm

Kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!

because there was broad agreement amongst residents of those cities. no such agreement exists for the name of the country. it appears to be a boondoggle initiated by a couple of northindianese loving telugus on this board and serves no useful purpose.
Oh the topic is floating around and many ~~ppl~~ religious fanatics are for it, except for some ~~insecure language and~~ sensible folks on this board.

*fixed*

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:26 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!

because there was broad agreement amongst residents of those cities. no such agreement exists for the name of the country. it appears to be a boondoggle initiated by a couple of northindianese loving telugus on this board and serves no useful purpose.
Oh the topic is floating around and many ~~ppl~~ religious fanatics are for it, except for some ~~insecure language and~~ sensible folks on this board.
*fixed*

Delusional folks.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:28 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.

Megasthanes had written a book called Indica to refer to the present day
Indian sub-continent. Pax Indica is the name of a Shashi Tharoor book about India.

Didn't Herodotus precede Megasthanese?

by Guest Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:28 pm

Getting late. Gotta sleep! More later. *I love to rile up some folks here* Twisted Evil

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:29 pm

Kinnera wrote:It's high time India is renamed as Bharat. Time to bring back old names. Madras was renamed as Chennai, Bombay as Mumbai, Calcutta as Kolkata, Trivandrum as Tiruvanantapuram, Bangalore as Bengaluru, etc. Why not India as Bharat? Hope it gets done soon.

How about Jamboodveepam? I think it is older than Bhaarata.

Apparently, ancient Chinese called it: Tianzhu ("the center of heaven").

by confuzzled dude Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:30 pm

Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kinnera wrote:'Bharat/Bharata/Bharatavarsha' are indigenous, not 'India'. Why wasn't there any resistance to the change of city names? Someone here who is resisting the name change of India got all twisted when someone else referred to Chennai as Madras sometime ago. What double standards!

because there was broad agreement amongst residents of those cities. no such agreement exists for the name of the country. it appears to be a boondoggle initiated by a couple of northindianese loving telugus on this board and serves no useful purpose.
Oh the topic is floating around and many ~~ppl~~ religious fanatics are for it, except for some ~~insecure language and~~ sensible folks on this board.
*fixed*
Delusional folks.

Who? the ones who want to change the name of the country for no logical reason or the ones asking for the logic behind the name change?

by swapna Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:32 pm

truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4

SoothBeSold, will you be shedding tears of nationalistic fervour while demanding that india be renamed according to the hindi language and northindian tradition?

northindians will approve, and include you in a conversation or two, for which you'll feel enormously grateful and shed more tears, but they'll kick you in the teeth as usual soon thereafter, because you're a "kallu," and a "gult," and your hindi stinks.

btw, are you a citizen of india?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:41 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:since we were invaded by aryans, how about 'the nation formerly known as dravidanaadu'?

The dravidians say that you are an Aryan yourself and Al-Akbari agrees saying your ancestors came from UP.

by truthbetold Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:44 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4

can't relate to no rafi or naushad. aren't you a telugu or something?

Max

You can't relate to rafi or naushad but you can relate to western music and english literature? And you expect other sane people to follow your stupid logic.

I like great artists and literature in any language that i can understand. That means telugu, hindi, english and even little bit of tamil and kannada.

You do not know what you are missing in life by your language fanaticism. Kabir ke dohe, omar khayyam ki ghazal, mannadey songs, and great original speeches of Gandhi. Open your mind and learn to enjoy what life has to offer.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:51 pm

truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4

can't relate to no rafi or naushad. aren't you a telugu or something?
Max

You can't relate to rafi or naushad but you can relate to western music and english literature? And you expect other sane people to follow your stupid logic.

I like great artists and literature in any language that i can understand. That means telugu, hindi, english and even little bit of tamil and kannada.

You do not know what you are missing in life by your language fanaticism. Kabir ke dohe, omar khayyam ki ghazal, mannadey songs, and great original speeches of Gandhi. Open your mind and learn to enjoy what life has to offer.

i listened to that rather weak filmi bleating of a majestic raga, darbari kanada by some playback singer that you seem overly impressed with. listen to how it's really done by one of india's great masters:

https://youtu.be/FPrpU41VvhI

by truthbetold Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:05 pm

Max

Your preconceived views of life will not let you enjoy life. I challenge you to bring any accomplished CM or hindustani musicians who would be critical of the particular naushad and rafi piece posted by me.

I have no problem with joshi's rendition. My problem is with the closed mind that thinks that is the only way or the way you like it is somehow superior to other ways.

It just shows you education has yet to open your mind.

by ashdoc Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:33 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:You're gonna upset Modiji & his fellow chaddis with these non-hindu names; it will be Akhand Bharat

even the chaddis realize now that akand bharat will result in massive increase of muslim population as pakistani and bangladeshi muslims join india .

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:47 am

swapna wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4
SoothBeSold, will you be shedding tears of nationalistic fervour while demanding that india be renamed according to the hindi language and northindian tradition?

northindians will approve, and include you in a conversation or two, for which you'll feel enormously grateful and shed more tears, but they'll kick you in the teeth as usual soon thereafter, because you're a "kallu," and a "gult," and your hindi stinks.

btw, are you a citizen of india?

Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name. It is used everywhere...BEL, BHEL, Akil Barathiya vidya bhavan, If Christians can have WESTERN names, what is wrong even if Southies have Naarthie names ?

Again Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name.

by michelle2 Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:57 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
swapna wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4
SoothBeSold, will you be shedding tears of nationalistic fervour while demanding that india be renamed according to the hindi language and northindian tradition?

northindians will approve, and include you in a conversation or two, for which you'll feel enormously grateful and shed more tears, but they'll kick you in the teeth as usual soon thereafter, because you're a "kallu," and a "gult," and your hindi stinks.

btw, are you a citizen of india?

Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name. It is used everywhere...BEL, BHEL, Akil Barathiya vidya bhavan, If Christians can have WESTERN names, what is wrong even if Southies have Naarthie names ?

Again Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name.

bharat is a northindian name; bharath is the southern indian spelling of that name, and is the more correct spelling, based on how it's pronounced. the correct southern indian name and spelling is bhAratham.

by michelle2 Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:18 am

Kinnera wrote:It's high time India is renamed as Bharat. Time to bring back old names. Madras was renamed as Chennai, Bombay as Mumbai, Calcutta as Kolkata, Trivandrum as Tiruvanantapuram, Bangalore as Bengaluru, etc. Why not India as Bharat? Hope it gets done soon.

the capital of kerala state is thiruvananthapuram, not tiruvanantapuram. i've never seen the name of that city spelt the way you did. google for tiruvanantapuram and note the results. there is no 't' sound in malayalam or thamizh; indeed, there is no 't' sound in hindi or any other indian language. the northindians don't know that because they don't know the correct sound of the english 't'.

the reason for your spelling thiruvananthapuram incorrectly, as you did, is obvious; you feel better about yourself when you make the same errors that the northindians make!

by Guest Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:28 am

michelle2 wrote:
Kinnera wrote:It's high time India is renamed as Bharat. Time to bring back old names. Madras was renamed as Chennai, Bombay as Mumbai, Calcutta as Kolkata, Trivandrum as Tiruvanantapuram, Bangalore as Bengaluru, etc. Why not India as Bharat? Hope it gets done soon.

the capital of kerala state is thiruvananthapuram, not tiruvanantapuram. i've never seen the name of that city spelt the way you did. google for tiruvanantapuram and note the results. there is no 't' sound in malayalam or thamizh; indeed, there is no 't' sound in hindi or any other indian language. the northindians don't know that because they don't know the correct sound of the english 't'.

the reason for your spelling thiruvananthapuram incorrectly, as you did, is obvious; you feel better about yourself when you make the same errors that the northindians make!

Hindi and Sanskrit have both the English hard t sound ( as in tomato which is called tamaatar in Hindi) and also the soft french t sound ( for instance tota in Hindi meaning parrot).

by Guest Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:48 am

Wow! Look at all the negative tendencies coming out the so called educated people and the ones who consider themselves to be polished (big joke!). Read max's posts and his extreme acrimony for anything that is other than what he perceives as south indian. And look at the way he tries to divide people. The aryan migration that probably happened thousands of years ago comes in very handy to him to create the divisions. He keeps harping and harping and harping on that to divide ppl. Same with Vee. Divide and rule policy. They put down and try to insult the other south indians who don't cater to their divisive and sick minds. And they are the ones with slavish minds...sucking up to the westerners and being so anal about english and all.

To hell with these sick people.

by Guest Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:01 am

michelle2 wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
swapna wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4
SoothBeSold, will you be shedding tears of nationalistic fervour while demanding that india be renamed according to the hindi language and northindian tradition?

northindians will approve, and include you in a conversation or two, for which you'll feel enormously grateful and shed more tears, but they'll kick you in the teeth as usual soon thereafter, because you're a "kallu," and a "gult," and your hindi stinks.

btw, are you a citizen of india?

Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name. It is used everywhere...BEL, BHEL, Akil Barathiya vidya bhavan, If Christians can have WESTERN names, what is wrong even if Southies have Naarthie names ?

Again Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name.

bharat is a northindian name; bharath is the southern indian spelling of that name, and is the more correct spelling, based on how it's pronounced. the correct southern indian name and spelling is bhAratham.

I've never seen anyone call it 'bharatham' in AP. It is Bharatadesam. Bharamtam/bharatham is another short name for Mahabharata/Mahabharatam/Mahabharatham.

Bharat/Bharath/Bharata/Bharatham/bharatadesam/bharathadesham/bharatavarsh/bharathavarsha/bharatavarsha/Bhaarat (add an extra 'a' to all the previous spellings between h and r) etc, etc are all fine. It's a proper name. I know you sick peeps are going to create divisions bringing in the nuances of the spelling calling it north indian, south indian and all.

by Maria S Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:58 am

Good morning fellow Bharathian-American (?) Kinnera!

That does not even sound right (or sweet to my ears!)..Indian and "India" works for me..and they should leave it alone!

Unless the geographical borders change for some reason..some imperial power takes over..India is "born again"..don't see any reason for messing up..I mean changing the name!

Frankly, I have no "name" it this fight..India is a Sanskrit name, Bharat is a Hindi name..and I don't see anyone rushing to come up with a "pure tamil name" for India, although technically- we are "all Indians"..and have equal rights. But, I am not in a state of fantasy..don't see that happening..and even if it does..it would be called "Amma Nadu" today (at the rapid rate in which the names of everything is being changed to Amma something in my beloved Tamil Nadu!)

*I really wish they would have left "Madras" alone too. I still refer to Madras as Madras as much as possible!

I know a few children- girls (some adults now) named "India"..White, Black, Carribean..even one Canadian..for some interesting reasons, and have never been to India.. One because an ancestor visited India..in the case of one young lady..like Pres. Obama's father..her "Indian" father came to study in the US..and made a baby with a nice American student..went back to India, did not really care about her.. and married a nice Indian student and made more babies:)
But, she seems to have kept the name..well, that's a different matter..

"India" triggered some thoughts about some Indias:)

by truthbetold Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:12 am

Kinnera wrote:
michelle2 wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
swapna wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is another gem of bharat from the efforts of Naushad and Rafi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFyW5Hhxd4
SoothBeSold, will you be shedding tears of nationalistic fervour while demanding that india be renamed according to the hindi language and northindian tradition?

northindians will approve, and include you in a conversation or two, for which you'll feel enormously grateful and shed more tears, but they'll kick you in the teeth as usual soon thereafter, because you're a "kallu," and a "gult," and your hindi stinks.

btw, are you a citizen of india?

Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name. It is used everywhere...BEL, BHEL, Akil Barathiya vidya bhavan, If Christians can have WESTERN names, what is wrong even if Southies have Naarthie names ?

Again Bharath is NOT a Naarthie name.

bharat is a northindian name; bharath is the southern indian spelling of that name, and is the more correct spelling, based on how it's pronounced. the correct southern indian name and spelling is bhAratham.
I've never seen anyone call it 'bharatham' in AP. It is Bharatadesam. Bharamtam/bharatham is another short name for Mahabharata/Mahabharatam/Mahabharatham.

Bharat/Bharath/Bharata/Bharatham/bharatadesam/bharathadesham/bharatavarsh/bharathavarsha/bharatavarsha/Bhaarat (add an extra 'a' to all the previous spellings between h and r) etc, etc are all fine. It's a proper name. I know you sick peeps are going to create divisions bringing in the nuances of the spelling calling it north indian, south indian and all.

+1.

This thing called swapna/michelle/flimflam is a vehicle of hatred. It/she/he has only one agenda. To spread hatred against hinduism and uses north Indian as a proxy to denigrate hinduism. Only he/she/it knows where all this meaningless hate filled questions come from.

Flimflam,

You are not worth any one's time to engage in a discussion about bharat as you just do not have the knowledge about the topic. Look for some follow up post(s) that are more related to hatred which is your primary domain.

by Merlot Daruwala Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:13 am

Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Not in english news announcements and cricket commentary. Internationally, it is known as India. No one knows it as Bharat. That should change. No many call Chennai as Madras anymore. It should should be like that wrt India as Bharat/Bharata.
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.
It is Sanatana Dharma

Yeah? Do you have any scriptural reference in support of this? Is this what you write any time a form asks for your religion?

by truthbetold Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:41 am

Michelle/swapna/flimflam,

since you have a lot of free time on your hands, try to find answers to some existential questions.

Your posts demonstrate your permanent state of loneliness and anger against any sense of enjoyment expressed in other people's posts. Why are you so filled with hate? What incident in your life caused you to become such a bitter monster?

Are you abused by some one in your family or as is common in some religious groups, by some religious figure? Were you unable to find help or no one believed in you?

Your posts show your brazen attempt to gain a little prestige from other family members. It is pathetic to live off the reputation of a daughter. Why do you not have the self esteem to not brag about other family members ?

Your intense internal dissatisfaction with life and your family life is reflected in your efforts to put down others through spell checking and grammar policing. Where did you learn such mean behavior?

A sharp weapon or a skill or the power of words can be used in either a positive or a negative way. You chose to use your abilities to to spread hatred and ill will. Does that make you happy and contended?

by Guest Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:47 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
What will this name change accomplish or prove other than stroking stupid chaddis' ego.
It has nothing to do with chaddies or lungies. India is the name given by the imperialists. A more indigenous name is more appropriate. Why did we change the names of our cities to Chennai, Mumbai, Tiruvanantapuram, Kolkata, Puducherry, Bengaluru, Odisha, etc? When they are all changed, why shouldn't we change the name of the country? Why continue with the name given by the imperialists?

India was the land referred to by the Greek historian Megasthanes who had accompanied Alexander to India in the 4th century BC. I think Alexander's invasion of India predates the composition of the Mahabharata.
Further the word Hindu was coined for the first time by Persians. Should we change the name of the Hindu religion also? After all the word Hindu does not occur in any Hindu scripture.
It is Sanatana Dharma

Yeah? Do you have any scriptural reference in support of this? Is this what you write any time a form asks for your religion?

Did i talk about scriptural reference? It is something that denotes the nature of the religion or whatever you call it. Hinduism is the word coined by outsiders for their own convenience (to whatever things that the majority of ppl on the other side of the river Sindhu follow) and we are all using it. That may change too. Is that a problem?

by truthbetold Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:52 am

Rash
India comes from Indus or Sindh river. It comes from early economic activity between india and middle east.

One argument is that hind is a variation of sindh. While it may not have been used before a certain time in history, it is a not an unrelated word to people living near and below sindh river.

Natives have no need to call their culture and beliefs with a name. People with multitude of variations of local beliefs are considered to be of the same belief system. They were not looking to conquer other nations in the name of spreading religion. So they felt no need to invent a name.

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