One of the Founding Fathers of Modern Hindi was a Telugu

by Guest Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:41 pm

One of the founding fathers of Modern Hindi was also the founder of Hyderabad city --Sultan Mohammad Quli Qutb Shah.

I first read about Quli in a book I purchased in a Chennai book shop. The book's name is 'Prince Poet Lover Builder: Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah The Founder of Hyderabad'.

Some of the verses penned by Quli would not be found out of place in a contemporary bollywood film. For example this one:

suno log meri prem kahani
ke peela hai rang aashiqi ki nishani

(Listen, people, to the tale of my love
the pallid complexion signifies a lover)

by b_A Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:10 pm

So, Qutub Shah is a telugu. What next?

by Guest Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:13 pm

If APJ Abdul Kalam is a Tamilian then Quli Qutb Shah is also a Telugu.

by Guest Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:07 pm

Here's a legendary love story of Quli Qutub Shah and his very beautiful Bhagmati, on whose name Hyderabad is named.

"It is said that the prince was passing through a village, not far from the capital, when he came across a very beautiful woman and fell head over heels in love with her, the woman also reciprocated the sentiments and they began to meet regularly though surreptitiously. The meetings were surreptitious perhaps because the prince was not sure how this relationship could be utilised against him by his rivals, the woman was not royalty and it is said that she was a dancer and a singer.

Her village was across the river from the palace and at least on one occasion the prince had to risk his life while crossing the river. The river was in spate and seemed intent on drowning the village of his beloved; the prince urged his horse to jump into the raging torrent, somehow made to the other shore and succeeded in rescuing her.

The king was worried at these infantile displays of bravado but being the kind of man he was he knew that he won’t be able to stop his son from crossing the river at the most inappropriate moments and so the king got a bridge built across the river. Were fathers like this in those days? Sounds too much like a fairy tale already, doesn’t it? But wait, there is more.

The prince was born in 1565; he came to the throne after the death of his father in 1580 and ruled till 1611. This made him a contemporary of Akbar for the last 25 years of Akbar’s 49 year rule, and a contemporary of Jahangir for the first 6 of 21 years of Jahangir’s reign. Some say that at the time of his coronation, he prince was only fifteen, others insist he was 17. They got into politics and fell in love early in those days didn’t they?

Shortly after becoming king he married his lady love and built a new capital city that he named after his beloved, now his queen. Almost a decade after their marriage a daughter was born to the royal couple. The daughter was later married to a nephew of the king and eventually became queen when her husband succeeded his uncle to the throne.

The name of the prince was Mohammad Quli Qutub Shah. The name of his beloved queen was Bhagmati and the city that he named after her was initially known as Bhaganagar but was later renamed Hyderabad once Bhagmati was given the title Hyder Mahal."

http://kafila.org/2013/03/04/the-love-story-of-quli-qutub-and-bhagmati-and-other-tragic-endings/

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:02 pm

qutub shah was a persian douche, member of the ruling foreign elite. how da fuck does he become a telugu? this is retarded even for your already low standards. abdul kalam came from a family of converts and probably spoke flawless tamil both at home and outside. qutub shah probably did not know a lick of telugu*, you dumbfuck.

* wiki says he spoke telugu, but my main point stands: how the fuck does the descendant of a ruling foreign elite become a native, that too a telugu one at that? one must be special kind of retard to assume so

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:21 pm

May be, Rashmun mian is alluding to how much money Qtub Shaw's family made from Telugus in Rayala Seema and coastal Andhra. Just one diamond mine (Kollur - near Guntur) made the Qtub Shahi dynasty extremely wealthy. Hyderabad and the buildings like Charminar were built with the revenue from Andhra and the diamond trade.

So, there is a Telugu connection - the Telugus were used by the Turaka guy.

by Guest Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:46 pm

Quli Qutb Shah was born and brought up in the place where he became ruler. Moreover it seems he may have embibed culture and artistic and aesthetic tastes from his own father. This is from the wiki page of Quli Qutb Shah's father ( Ibrahim Quli Qutb Shah Wali):

A patron of the arts, Ibrahim sponsored many court poets, such as Singanacharyudu, Addanki Gangadharudu, and Kandukuru Rudrakavi. There were Telugu poets, in a break from tradition, as well as Arabic and Persian poets in his court. He is also known in Telugu literature as, Malki Bharama.[5] He took keen interest in the welfare of his people. He also repaired and fortified Golconda Fort and developed the Hussain Sagar lake and Ibrahim Bagh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Quli_Qutb_Shah_Wali

by Guest Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:51 pm

Regarding Propagandhi's claim that Quli Qutb Shah's family was persian and hence Quli should be considered a foreigner I will point out that since he was the fifth sultan of his dynasty he was at least a fifth generation persian in India. Would it make sense to call a fifth generation Indian in the US as a foreigner? Obviously not.

Secondly it should be investigated whether Quli's mother or grandmothers or great grandmothers were Telugu. For instance the Mughal emperor Akbar's son Jahangir was half Rajput because his mother was a Rajput and Jahangir's son Shah Jahan was three quarters Rajput because his mother was also a Rajput.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:13 pm

Rashmun: If you are interested in Telugu history, read about Satavahanas, Ikshvakus, Pallavas, Kakatiyas, Vijayanagara, Bobbili, Palnadu, Kondaveedu, etc.

Golkonda and Nizam - they were just a minor part of Andhra History. KCR and his gang distorted the history of the region for their political ambitions (just like CONmen).

Don't get carried away by comparing your UP history with that of AP. If at all there is any influence, it was on the Muslims in AP - they embraced the local culture. I noice that you are thinking of Kalam. He speaks proper Tamil (and Telugu) and he doesn't speak proper Urdu. He is a good example of the average Tamil and Telugu Muslim.

Here is Kalam enjoying Carnatic music in Telugu (and singing along):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLXiNj94rx8

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:30 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Rashmun: If you are interested in Telugu history, read about Satavahanas, Ikshvakus, Pallavas, Kakatiyas, Vijayanagara, Bobbili, Palnadu, Kondaveedu, etc.

Golkonda and Nizam - they were just a minor part of Andhra History. KCR and his gang distorted the history of the region for their political ambitions (just like CONmen).

Don't get carried away by comparing your UP history with that of AP. If at all there is any influence, it was on the Muslims in AP - they embraced the local culture. I noice that you are thinking of Kalam. He speaks proper Tamil (and Telugu) and he doesn't speak proper Urdu. He is a good example of the average Tamil and Telugu Muslim.

Here is Kalam enjoying Carnatic music in Telugu (and singing along):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLXiNj94rx8

this video is an example of why we don't need any contrived cultural synthesis in southern india. this is a krithi composed by a telugu saint, sung here by a malayALi prince, a descendant of the famous composer-king swAthi thirunAL, both hindus, and appreciated by a member of the audience, a tamil muslim aficionado of carnatic music.

edited to add: a near identical sentiment expressed by one of the youtube commenters. i had not seen the comments prior to writing my post above:

A Malayalee(Prince Rama Verma) singing a Telugu kriti(Endaro Mahanubhavulu) before a Tamilian(Abdul Kalam) in a Hindi state(New Delhi). Beauty of India.

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