In Tamil Nadu, there is a new demand: "We want Hindi"

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:They don't want to learn any language other than Hindi.

Kayalvizhi wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:They don't want to learn any language other than Hindi.

They don't want to learn anything. language other than Hindi.

Many Hindians do not learn Hindi either. Look at their literacy rate. Hindians live off thew taxes of non-Hindians. By outproducing others in children, they will have two-third majority in parliament by the next century.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:In TN there will be demand for English, Hindi, French, Chinese, Japanese, German, etc., because, Tamils want to learn and work for a living.

Compare that with BIMARU bhaiyyas who want to sit around and chew paan. They don't want to learn any language other than Hindi. They just want to live the way they live and relieve themselves on railway tracks and roadsides.

Kayalvizhi wrote:Unlike UP, Tamil Nadu has qualified people to represent them.

Rashmun wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:They don't want to learn any language other than Hindi.

They don't want to learn anything. language other than Hindi.

Many Hindians do not learn Hindi either. Look at their literacy rate. Hindians live off thew taxes of non-Hindians. By outproducing others in children, they will have two-third majority in parliament by the next century.

Uttar Pradeshis elected Hema Malini, Jaya Prada, Azharuddin, etc. as their Lok Sabha representatives. Have Tamilians ever elected an Uttar Pradeshi as their Lok Sabha representative?

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:They don't want to learn any language other than Hindi.

They don't want to learn anything. language other than Hindi.

Many Hindians do not learn Hindi either. Look at their literacy rate. Hindians live off thew taxes of non-Hindians. By outproducing others in children, they will have two-third majority in parliament by the next century.

Uttar Pradeshis elected Hema Malini, Jaya Prada, Azharuddin, etc. as their Lok Sabha representatives. Have Tamilians ever elected an Uttar Pradeshi as their Lok Sabha representative?

How many non-Hindi speakers have been the Prime Minister of India since India's independence?

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:They don't want to learn any language other than Hindi.

They don't want to learn anything. language other than Hindi.

Many Hindians do not learn Hindi either. Look at their literacy rate. Hindians live off thew taxes of non-Hindians. By outproducing others in children, they will have two-third majority in parliament by the next century.

Uttar Pradeshis elected Hema Malini, Jaya Prada, Azharuddin, etc. as their Lok Sabha representatives. Have Tamilians ever elected an Uttar Pradeshi as their Lok Sabha representative?

How many non-Hindi speakers have been the Prime Minister of India since India's independence?

There have been several PM's whose first language was not hindi. For instance Morarji
Desai, Narasimha Rao, Deve Gowda, I K Gujral, and now Modi.

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:
They don't want to learn anything. language other than Hindi.

Many Hindians do not learn Hindi either. Look at their literacy rate. Hindians live off thew taxes of non-Hindians. By outproducing others in children, they will have two-third majority in parliament by the next century.

Uttar Pradeshis elected Hema Malini, Jaya Prada, Azharuddin, etc. as their Lok Sabha representatives. Have Tamilians ever elected an Uttar Pradeshi as their Lok Sabha representative?

How many non-Hindi speakers have been the Prime Minister of India since India's independence?

There have been several PM's whose first language was not hindi. For instance Morarji
Desai, Narasimha Rao, Deve Gowda, I K Gujral, and now Modi.

Forget the first language. It is meaningless. Hema Malini is proficient in Hindi. So is Modi. How many people who couldn't read, write or speak Hindi have been elected to be the PM of India?

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Uttar Pradeshis elected Hema Malini, Jaya Prada, Azharuddin, etc. as their Lok Sabha representatives. Have Tamilians ever elected an Uttar Pradeshi as their Lok Sabha representative?

How many non-Hindi speakers have been the Prime Minister of India since India's independence?

There have been several PM's whose first language was not hindi. For instance Morarji
Desai, Narasimha Rao, Deve Gowda, I K Gujral, and now Modi.

Forget the first language. It is meaningless. Hema Malini is proficient in Hindi. So is Modi. How many people who couldn't read, write or speak Hindi have been elected to be the PM of India?

Zero. And for good reason. An Indian PM cannot be someone who can only connect with a small subset of the Indian population. He should be someone who can connect and communicate with a large section of the Indian population.

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

How many non-Hindi speakers have been the Prime Minister of India since India's independence?

There have been several PM's whose first language was not hindi. For instance Morarji
Desai, Narasimha Rao, Deve Gowda, I K Gujral, and now Modi.

Forget the first language. It is meaningless. Hema Malini is proficient in Hindi. So is Modi. How many people who couldn't read, write or speak Hindi have been elected to be the PM of India?

Zero. And for good reason. An Indian PM cannot be someone who can only connect with a small subset of the Indian population. He should be someone who can connect and communicate with a large section of the Indian population.

So, by your very argument, a typical South Indian is not qualified to be the PM of India, a sad commentary on the largest democracy in the world that is not merit-based but Hindi-based, despite the fact that more than half the population is non Hindi-speaking. KV is not totally wrong in describing the Indian government as the Hindian government. Why call a spade by any other name?

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

How many non-Hindi speakers have been the Prime Minister of India since India's independence?

There have been several PM's whose first language was not hindi. For instance Morarji
Desai, Narasimha Rao, Deve Gowda, I K Gujral, and now Modi.

Forget the first language. It is meaningless. Hema Malini is proficient in Hindi. So is Modi. How many people who couldn't read, write or speak Hindi have been elected to be the PM of India?

Zero. And for good reason. An Indian PM cannot be someone who can only connect with a small subset of the Indian population. He should be someone who can connect and communicate with a large section of the Indian population.

So, by your very argument, a typical South Indian is not qualified to be the PM of India, a sad commentary on the largest democracy in the world that is not merit-based but Hindi-based, despite the fact that more than half the population is non Hindi-speaking. KV is not totally wrong in describing the Indian government as the Hindian government. Why call a spade by any other name?

Kayalvizhi wrote:<<  when the PM is talking in hindi most Indians can follow what he is saying.

This is the stupidest thing I have heard in a some time.

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

There have been several PM's whose first language was not hindi. For instance Morarji
Desai, Narasimha Rao, Deve Gowda, I K Gujral, and now Modi.

Forget the first language. It is meaningless. Hema Malini is proficient in Hindi. So is Modi. How many people who couldn't read, write or speak Hindi have been elected to be the PM of India?

Zero. And for good reason. An Indian PM cannot be someone who can only connect with a small subset of the Indian population. He should be someone who can connect and communicate with a large section of the Indian population.

So, by your very argument, a typical South Indian is not qualified to be the PM of India, a sad commentary on the largest democracy in the world that is not merit-based but Hindi-based, despite the fact that more than half the population is non Hindi-speaking. KV is not totally wrong in describing the Indian government as the Hindian government. Why call a spade by any other name?

When we talk of hindi we are actually referring to Hindustani. You may think of Hindustani as a dialect of Hindi. Now most Uttar Pradeshis, Madhya Pradeshis and Biharis in rural parts of these states are not proficient in Hindustani which is the Hindi spoken in the cities. They can almost always understand Hindustani but they are not proficient in it. This is because their first language is some localized hindi dialect like Braja, Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Maithili, etc.
So these people are also at a disadvantage when it comes to becoming PM.

I would venture to state that most Indians are able to understand Hindustani. Proof of this is the fact that hindi movies are shown in different parts of the country. Hence when the PM is talking in hindi most Indians can follow what he is saying. That is why the PM's speech on Independence Day is always in hindi.

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:
Forget the first language. It is meaningless. Hema Malini is proficient in Hindi. So is Modi. How many people who couldn't read, write or speak Hindi have been elected to be the PM of India?

Zero. And for good reason. An Indian PM cannot be someone who can only connect with a small subset of the Indian population. He should be someone who can connect and communicate with a large section of the Indian population.

So, by your very argument, a typical South Indian is not qualified to be the PM of India, a sad commentary on the largest democracy in the world that is not merit-based but Hindi-based, despite the fact that more than half the population is non Hindi-speaking. KV is not totally wrong in describing the Indian government as the Hindian government. Why call a spade by any other name?

When we talk of hindi we are actually referring to Hindustani. You may think of Hindustani as a dialect of Hindi. Now most Uttar Pradeshis, Madhya Pradeshis and Biharis in rural parts of these states are not proficient in Hindustani which is the Hindi spoken in the cities. They can almost always understand Hindustani but they are not proficient in it. This is because their first language is some localized hindi dialect like Braja, Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Maithili, etc.
So these people are also at a disadvantage when it comes to becoming PM.

I would venture to state that most Indians are able to understand Hindustani. Proof of this is the fact that hindi movies are shown in different parts of the country. Hence when the PM is talking in hindi most Indians can follow what he is saying. That is why the PM's speech on Independence Day is always in hindi.

You keep harping on Hindustani as being a version of Hindi whereas I consider Hindustani to be languages spoken in Hindustan, if it is a synonym for India. If Hindi means Hindustani to you then you are just a step away from calling India Hindia.

Yes, many North Indians understand what the PM said in Hindi. That is not true of people in South India.

Sure, Hindi movies are shown in different parts of India. Hindi Prachar Sabhas, costing crores and crores of taxpayers' money, are sanctioned by the Hindian government to accomplish the same objective - the linguistic proselytization of India by Hindi zealots. 

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Zero. And for good reason. An Indian PM cannot be someone who can only connect with a small subset of the Indian population. He should be someone who can connect and communicate with a large section of the Indian population.

So, by your very argument, a typical South Indian is not qualified to be the PM of India, a sad commentary on the largest democracy in the world that is not merit-based but Hindi-based, despite the fact that more than half the population is non Hindi-speaking. KV is not totally wrong in describing the Indian government as the Hindian government. Why call a spade by any other name?

When we talk of hindi we are actually referring to Hindustani. You may think of Hindustani as a dialect of Hindi. Now most Uttar Pradeshis, Madhya Pradeshis and Biharis in rural parts of these states are not proficient in Hindustani which is the Hindi spoken in the cities. They can almost always understand Hindustani but they are not proficient in it. This is because their first language is some localized hindi dialect like Braja, Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Maithili, etc.
So these people are also at a disadvantage when it comes to becoming PM.

I would venture to state that most Indians are able to understand Hindustani. Proof of this is the fact that hindi movies are shown in different parts of the country. Hence when the PM is talking in hindi most Indians can follow what he is saying. That is why the PM's speech on Independence Day is always in hindi.

You keep harping on Hindustani as being a version of Hindi whereas I consider Hindustani to be languages spoken in Hindustan, if it is a synonym for India. If Hindi means Hindustani to you then you are just a step away from calling India Hindia.

Yes, many North Indians understand what the PM said in Hindi. That is not true of people in South India.

Sure, Hindi movies are shown in different parts of India. Hindi Prachar Sabhas, costing crores and crores of taxpayers' money, are sanctioned by the Hindian government to accomplish the same objective - the linguistic proselytization of India by Hindi zealots. 

Hindustani is the name of a language ( the language used in Hindi movies). Here:

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Hindustani_language.html

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Zero. And for good reason. An Indian PM cannot be someone who can only connect with a small subset of the Indian population. He should be someone who can connect and communicate with a large section of the Indian population.

So, by your very argument, a typical South Indian is not qualified to be the PM of India, a sad commentary on the largest democracy in the world that is not merit-based but Hindi-based, despite the fact that more than half the population is non Hindi-speaking. KV is not totally wrong in describing the Indian government as the Hindian government. Why call a spade by any other name?

When we talk of hindi we are actually referring to Hindustani. You may think of Hindustani as a dialect of Hindi. Now most Uttar Pradeshis, Madhya Pradeshis and Biharis in rural parts of these states are not proficient in Hindustani which is the Hindi spoken in the cities. They can almost always understand Hindustani but they are not proficient in it. This is because their first language is some localized hindi dialect like Braja, Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Maithili, etc.
So these people are also at a disadvantage when it comes to becoming PM.

I would venture to state that most Indians are able to understand Hindustani. Proof of this is the fact that hindi movies are shown in different parts of the country. Hence when the PM is talking in hindi most Indians can follow what he is saying. That is why the PM's speech on Independence Day is always in hindi.

You keep harping on Hindustani as being a version of Hindi whereas I consider Hindustani to be languages spoken in Hindustan, if it is a synonym for India. If Hindi means Hindustani to you then you are just a step away from calling India Hindia.

Yes, many North Indians understand what the PM said in Hindi. That is not true of people in South India.

Sure, Hindi movies are shown in different parts of India. Hindi Prachar Sabhas, costing crores and crores of taxpayers' money, are sanctioned by the Hindian government to accomplish the same objective - the linguistic proselytization of India by Hindi zealots. 

Hindustani is the name of a language ( the language used in Hindi movies). Here:

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Hindustani_language.html

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

So, by your very argument, a typical South Indian is not qualified to be the PM of India, a sad commentary on the largest democracy in the world that is not merit-based but Hindi-based, despite the fact that more than half the population is non Hindi-speaking. KV is not totally wrong in describing the Indian government as the Hindian government. Why call a spade by any other name?

When we talk of hindi we are actually referring to Hindustani. You may think of Hindustani as a dialect of Hindi. Now most Uttar Pradeshis, Madhya Pradeshis and Biharis in rural parts of these states are not proficient in Hindustani which is the Hindi spoken in the cities. They can almost always understand Hindustani but they are not proficient in it. This is because their first language is some localized hindi dialect like Braja, Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Maithili, etc.
So these people are also at a disadvantage when it comes to becoming PM.

I would venture to state that most Indians are able to understand Hindustani. Proof of this is the fact that hindi movies are shown in different parts of the country. Hence when the PM is talking in hindi most Indians can follow what he is saying. That is why the PM's speech on Independence Day is always in hindi.

You keep harping on Hindustani as being a version of Hindi whereas I consider Hindustani to be languages spoken in Hindustan, if it is a synonym for India. If Hindi means Hindustani to you then you are just a step away from calling India Hindia.

Yes, many North Indians understand what the PM said in Hindi. That is not true of people in South India.

Sure, Hindi movies are shown in different parts of India. Hindi Prachar Sabhas, costing crores and crores of taxpayers' money, are sanctioned by the Hindian government to accomplish the same objective - the linguistic proselytization of India by Hindi zealots. 

Hindustani is the name of a language ( the language used in Hindi movies). Here:

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Hindustani_language.html

I read your link. Hindi/Urdu of Hindustan is also called Hindavi and Rekhta. Is it more convenient for you to selectively use Hindustani, not Hindavi or Rekhta, because it has the pretence of being a national language when it is hardly the case?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:GC a tip -- i used the block feature and put the diarrhea man on ignore. that way i don't have to see his language rants and can choose to read his posts only when i feel so inclined.

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

When we talk of hindi we are actually referring to Hindustani. You may think of Hindustani as a dialect of Hindi. Now most Uttar Pradeshis, Madhya Pradeshis and Biharis in rural parts of these states are not proficient in Hindustani which is the Hindi spoken in the cities. They can almost always understand Hindustani but they are not proficient in it. This is because their first language is some localized hindi dialect like Braja, Bhojpuri, Awadhi, Maithili, etc.
So these people are also at a disadvantage when it comes to becoming PM.

I would venture to state that most Indians are able to understand Hindustani. Proof of this is the fact that hindi movies are shown in different parts of the country. Hence when the PM is talking in hindi most Indians can follow what he is saying. That is why the PM's speech on Independence Day is always in hindi.

You keep harping on Hindustani as being a version of Hindi whereas I consider Hindustani to be languages spoken in Hindustan, if it is a synonym for India. If Hindi means Hindustani to you then you are just a step away from calling India Hindia.

Yes, many North Indians understand what the PM said in Hindi. That is not true of people in South India.

Sure, Hindi movies are shown in different parts of India. Hindi Prachar Sabhas, costing crores and crores of taxpayers' money, are sanctioned by the Hindian government to accomplish the same objective - the linguistic proselytization of India by Hindi zealots. 

Hindustani is the name of a language ( the language used in Hindi movies). Here:

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Hindustani_language.html

I read your link. Hindi/Urdu of Hindustan is also called Hindavi and Rekhta. Is it more convenient for you to selectively use Hindustani, not Hindavi or Rekhta, because it has the pretence of being a national language when it is hardly the case?

Hindavi and Rekhta are certainly other names denoting Hindustani but Hindustani is the much more commonly used name. Rekhta ( meaning hybrid) is sometimes used to refer to the language in Urdu poetry. As the article correctly says colloquial hindi and colloquial urdu are the same language.

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

You keep harping on Hindustani as being a version of Hindi whereas I consider Hindustani to be languages spoken in Hindustan, if it is a synonym for India. If Hindi means Hindustani to you then you are just a step away from calling India Hindia.

Yes, many North Indians understand what the PM said in Hindi. That is not true of people in South India.

Sure, Hindi movies are shown in different parts of India. Hindi Prachar Sabhas, costing crores and crores of taxpayers' money, are sanctioned by the Hindian government to accomplish the same objective - the linguistic proselytization of India by Hindi zealots. 

Hindustani is the name of a language ( the language used in Hindi movies). Here:

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Hindustani_language.html

I read your link. Hindi/Urdu of Hindustan is also called Hindavi and Rekhta. Is it more convenient for you to selectively use Hindustani, not Hindavi or Rekhta, because it has the pretence of being a national language when it is hardly the case?

Hindavi and Rekhta are certainly other names denoting Hindustani but Hindustani is the much more commonly used name. Rekhta ( meaning hybrid) is sometimes used to refer to the language in Urdu poetry. As the article correctly says colloquial hindi and colloquial urdu are the same language.

You are digressing. You still haven't responded to my comment that the government's enforcement of Hindi in a secular democracy is nothing but linguistic proselytization of India by Hindi fanatics.