Nawab of Pataudi Saif Ali Khan: In defense of inter-religious marriages

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Muslim girls need education and jobs. If the country can achieve that, that will go a long way in integrating the Muslim community into mainstream India. 

Just imagining Hindu men marrying Muslim girls and mullahs burning in hatred! Hmm.......  I can see why sikular Mullahs are opposed to educating their girls.

Your H-M synthesis model will burn UP and Bihar into ashes unless bhaiyyas and miens pull themselves out of BIMARU.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Muslim girls need education and jobs. If the country can achieve that, that will go a long way in integrating the Muslim community into mainstream India. 

Just imagining Hindu men marrying Muslim girls and mullahs burning in hatred! Hmm.......  I can see why sikular Mullahs are opposed to educating their girls.

Your H-M synthesis model will burn UP and Bihar into ashes unless bhaiyyas and miens pull themselves out of BIMARU.

Hindu girls don't?! My bad! I forgot not many of them left..

Rashmun wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/intermarriage-is-not-jihad-it-is-india/

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/intermarriage-is-not-jihad-it-is-india/

>>>Khan's article reflects a balanced mind and reflective nature. I have heard some interviews with him and it is not difficult to see western sensibilities in him. The problem though is the love jihadi issue cropping up in the UK, Australia and India pertains to people who are zealots and have an explicit goal of converting women. Khan's article is almost of a diametrically opposite experience which involves a guy who seems to have healthy doubts about religion and borders on being an agnostic. The one question that I have always had about this guy is how he has made his peace with Bollywood. I hope he writes an article on it someday soon.

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/intermarriage-is-not-jihad-it-is-india/

>>>Khan's article reflects a balanced mind and reflective nature. I have heard some interviews with him and it is not difficult to see western sensibilities in him. The problem though is the love jihadi issue cropping up in the UK, Australia and India pertains to people who are zealots and have an explicit goal of converting women. Khan's article is almost of a diametrically opposite experience which involves a guy who seems to have healthy doubts about religion and borders on being an agnostic. The one question that I have always had about this guy is how he has made his peace with Bollywood. I hope he writes an article on it someday soon.

One view is that this love jehad business is about converting Hindu women. Another view is that it is an artificial term coined and defined by Hindutva extremists with the objective being to pillory and excoriate M people so as to create a religious-communal divide and continue to reap the bounty of electoral victories through religious fundamentalism and communal polarization of the voters.

michelle2 wrote:i saw - not "watched" - a part of a movie in which he acted. he shouldn't have, and he shouldn't. no matter how he plays cricket, i suspect that he can play cricket better than he can act. i'll believe that non-hindu indians, especially muslims, enjoy religious freedom in india when they no longer feel obliged to announce that they have pooja rooms in their homes, and "kishTiangirls" don't feel that they're required to apply the vacuum to hindus.

Rashmun wrote:

michelle2 wrote:i saw - not "watched" - a part of a movie in which he acted. he shouldn't have, and he shouldn't. no matter how he plays cricket, i suspect that he can play cricket better than he can act. i'll believe that non-hindu indians, especially muslims, enjoy religious freedom in india when they no longer feel obliged to announce that they have pooja rooms in their homes, and "kishTiangirls" don't feel that they're required to apply the vacuum to hindus.

There is a critical mistake that you are making in your analysis. Islam has been in India for more than a thousand years and it has very effectively become "hinduized". What I mean by hinduization of Islam is Muslims worshipping and doing pooja before tombs and shrines of Sufi saints. This act would be considered unacceptable and even blasphemous in the Middle East. It is not permitted to worship or show reference reverence in any way to the tomb of Prophet Mohammad ( the rationale being that by doing so you are holding him on par with God). The vast majority of Indian Muslims follow Sufi Islam to the extent that they are happy to worship and do pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. It is the puritanical Indian Muslims who claim that doing this is blasphemous and refuse to offer any pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. Further the puritanical Indian Muslims, being fanatics, do not like it when they see any Muslim offering prayers before a tomb or shrine and there have been occasions when they have resorted to physical attack to prevent other Muslims from indulging in blasphemy. Fortunately these puritanical Muslims are in a clear minority. I suspect the strain of puritanical Islam followed by a clear minority of Muslims in India is a recent import into India and that traditional Indian Islam always involved respect and worship for the Sufi saints. ( One remembers in this connection that the ultra orthodox wahabi sect of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia is of relatively recent origin.)

Now one peculiar feature of the Sufi saints is that they sing songs in praise of Allah but they also sing in their songs praise for Hindu gods like Rama, Krishna, Shiva, etc. So if a muslim respects and worships Sufi saints he will be naturally inclined to also respect the Hindu gods who were shown respect by the Sufi saints.

Rashmun wrote:

michelle2 wrote:i saw - not "watched" - a part of a movie in which he acted. he shouldn't have, and he shouldn't. no matter how he plays cricket, i suspect that he can play cricket better than he can act. i'll believe that non-hindu indians, especially muslims, enjoy religious freedom in india when they no longer feel obliged to announce that they have pooja rooms in their homes, and "kishTiangirls" don't feel that they're required to apply the vacuum to hindus.

There is a critical mistake that you are making in your analysis. Islam has been in India for more than a thousand years and it has very effectively become "hinduized". What I mean by hinduization of Islam is Muslims worshipping and doing pooja before tombs and shrines of Sufi saints. This act would be considered unacceptable and even blasphemous in the Middle East. It is not permitted to worship or show reference in any way to the tomb of Prophet Mohammad ( the rationale being that by doing so you are holding him on par with God). The vast majority of Indian Muslims follow Sufi Islam to the extent that they are happy to worship and do pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. It is the puritanical Indian Muslims who claim that doing this is blasphemous and refuse to offer any pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. Further the puritanical Indian Muslims, being fanatics, do not like it when they see any Muslim offering prayers before a tomb or shrine and there have been occasions when they have resorted to physical attack to prevent other Muslims from indulging in blasphemy. Fortunately these puritanical Muslims are in a clear minority. I suspect the strain of puritanical Islam followed by a clear minority of Muslims in India is a recent import into India and that traditional Indian Islam always involved respect and worship for the Sufi saints. ( One remembers in this connection that the ultra orthodox wahabi sect of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia is of relatively recent origin.)

Now one peculiar feature of the Sufi saints is that they sing songs in praise of Allah but they also sing in their songs praise for Hindu gods like Rama, Krishna, Shiva, etc. So if a muslim respects and worships Sufi saints he will be naturally inclined to also respect the Hindu gods who were shown respect by the Sufi saints.

swapna wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

michelle2 wrote:i saw - not "watched" - a part of a movie in which he acted. he shouldn't have, and he shouldn't. no matter how he plays cricket, i suspect that he can play cricket better than he can act. i'll believe that non-hindu indians, especially muslims, enjoy religious freedom in india when they no longer feel obliged to announce that they have pooja rooms in their homes, and "kishTiangirls" don't feel that they're required to apply the vacuum to hindus.

There is a critical mistake that you are making in your analysis. Islam has been in India for more than a thousand years and it has very effectively become "hinduized". What I mean by hinduization of Islam is Muslims worshipping and doing pooja before tombs and shrines of Sufi saints. This act would be considered unacceptable and even blasphemous in the Middle East. It is not permitted to worship or show reference in any way to the tomb of Prophet Mohammad ( the rationale being that by doing so you are holding him on par with God). The vast majority of Indian Muslims follow Sufi Islam to the extent that they are happy to worship and do pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. It is the puritanical Indian Muslims who claim that doing this is blasphemous and refuse to offer any pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. Further the puritanical Indian Muslims, being fanatics, do not like it when they see any Muslim offering prayers before a tomb or shrine and there have been occasions when they have resorted to physical attack to prevent other Muslims from indulging in blasphemy. Fortunately these puritanical Muslims are in a clear minority. I suspect the strain of puritanical Islam followed by a clear minority of Muslims in India is a recent import into India and that traditional Indian Islam always involved respect and worship for the Sufi saints. ( One remembers in this connection that the ultra orthodox wahabi sect of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia is of relatively recent origin.)

Now one peculiar feature of the Sufi saints is that they sing songs in praise of Allah but they also sing in their songs praise for Hindu gods like Rama, Krishna, Shiva, etc. So if a muslim respects and worships Sufi saints he will be naturally inclined to also respect the Hindu gods who were shown respect by the Sufi saints.

[size=60]my views about religious freedom, especially in india, are well represented by the following excerpt from my previous post:[/size]


[size=60]"i'll believe that non-hindu indians, especially muslims, enjoy religious freedom in india when they no longer feel obliged to announce that they have pooja rooms in their homes, and "kishTiangirls" don't feel that they're required to apply the vacuum to hindus."[/size]


[size=59]and that's true regardless of the religious philosophy of the sufis.[/size]

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

swapna wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

michelle2 wrote:i saw - not "watched" - a part of a movie in which he acted. he shouldn't have, and he shouldn't. no matter how he plays cricket, i suspect that he can play cricket better than he can act. i'll believe that non-hindu indians, especially muslims, enjoy religious freedom in india when they no longer feel obliged to announce that they have pooja rooms in their homes, and "kishTiangirls" don't feel that they're required to apply the vacuum to hindus.

There is a critical mistake that you are making in your analysis. Islam has been in India for more than a thousand years and it has very effectively become "hinduized". What I mean by hinduization of Islam is Muslims worshipping and doing pooja before tombs and shrines of Sufi saints. This act would be considered unacceptable and even blasphemous in the Middle East. It is not permitted to worship or show reference in any way to the tomb of Prophet Mohammad ( the rationale being that by doing so you are holding him on par with God). The vast majority of Indian Muslims follow Sufi Islam to the extent that they are happy to worship and do pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. It is the puritanical Indian Muslims who claim that doing this is blasphemous and refuse to offer any pooja before shrines and tombs of Sufi saints. Further the puritanical Indian Muslims, being fanatics, do not like it when they see any Muslim offering prayers before a tomb or shrine and there have been occasions when they have resorted to physical attack to prevent other Muslims from indulging in blasphemy. Fortunately these puritanical Muslims are in a clear minority. I suspect the strain of puritanical Islam followed by a clear minority of Muslims in India is a recent import into India and that traditional Indian Islam always involved respect and worship for the Sufi saints. ( One remembers in this connection that the ultra orthodox wahabi sect of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia is of relatively recent origin.)

Now one peculiar feature of the Sufi saints is that they sing songs in praise of Allah but they also sing in their songs praise for Hindu gods like Rama, Krishna, Shiva, etc. So if a muslim respects and worships Sufi saints he will be naturally inclined to also respect the Hindu gods who were shown respect by the Sufi saints.

[size=60]my views about religious freedom, especially in india, are well represented by the following excerpt from my previous post:[/size]


[size=60]"i'll believe that non-hindu indians, especially muslims, enjoy religious freedom in india when they no longer feel obliged to announce that they have pooja rooms in their homes, and "kishTiangirls" don't feel that they're required to apply the vacuum to hindus."[/size]


[size=59]and that's true regardless of the religious philosophy of the sufis.[/size]

but muslims with pooja rooms are doing synthu with enthu, don't you know!

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Muslim girls need education and jobs. If the country can achieve that, that will go a long way in integrating the Muslim community into mainstream India. 

Just imagining Hindu men marrying Muslim girls and mullahs burning in hatred! Hmm.......  I can see why sikular Mullahs are opposed to educating their girls.

Your H-M synthesis model will burn UP and Bihar into ashes unless bhaiyyas and miens pull themselves out of BIMARU.

Hindu girls don't?! My bad! I forgot not many of them left..