guru devo bhava - Hindu gurus showing the way

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:In traditional India, sages and gurus never claimed to be Gods although they made statements like, "aham brahmasmi", etc., for enlightenment of mankind. In fact, some who advocated personal superiority were put in their place (Brighu, for example).

Coming to Sikularism, the Satya Sai Babas of India have no sanction in Hinduism. They take advantage of the openness and lack of a central command in Hinduism. They are not that different from the High-Command for CONmen, Laloo - the guru for Yadavs, Mulayam - the main mullah for UP Muslims (can't call him God or prophet because the pieceful will murder him), K'nidhi - the DKhead who makes money chanting anti-chaddi mantras to moronic people, Dora-God KCR who promises degrees and jobs for lazy people who don't study or work, etc. 

At least, your guru Pol Pot worked very hard to get rid of Chaddis in his country. Varavara Rao is trying hard to regroup Naxalies in Telangana and Chattisgarh (although he is facing stiff competition from Akbaruddin and his followers).

truthbetold wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:In traditional India, sages and gurus never claimed to be Gods although they made statements like, "aham brahmasmi", etc., for enlightenment of mankind. In fact, some who advocated personal superiority were put in their place (Brighu, for example).

Coming to Sikularism, the Satya Sai Babas of India have no sanction in Hinduism. They take advantage of the openness and lack of a central command in Hinduism. They are not that different from the High-Command for CONmen, Laloo - the guru for Yadavs, Mulayam - the main mullah for UP Muslims (can't call him God or prophet because the pieceful will murder him), K'nidhi - the DKhead who makes money chanting anti-chaddi mantras to moronic people, Dora-God KCR who promises degrees and jobs for lazy people who don't study or work, etc. 

At least, your guru Pol Pot worked very hard to get rid of Chaddis in his country. Varavara Rao is trying hard to regroup Naxalies in Telangana and Chattisgarh (although he is facing stiff competition from Akbaruddin and his followers).

Have you ever heard Varavara rao speak?  Probably the best telugu speaker alive. But he is just a writer and a prisoner of extreme political dogma. Looks like his brand of extreme politics are done in India (at least in AP.).

But coming back to gurus,  is it not time that the ordinary Hindu change the description of a guru and make it more difficult for a street urchin becoming a famous guru.

truthbetold wrote:Rampal

Asaram Bapu

Nityanand

Kanchi Seer

Ramdev

andhvi something (booked in terrorism case)

Shining stars of Hinduism

What do the Hindu have to say about it?

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:In traditional India, sages and gurus never claimed to be Gods although they made statements like, "aham brahmasmi", etc., for enlightenment of mankind. In fact, some who advocated personal superiority were put in their place (Brighu, for example).

Coming to Sikularism, the Satya Sai Babas of India have no sanction in Hinduism. They take advantage of the openness and lack of a central command in Hinduism. They are not that different from the High-Command for CONmen, Laloo - the guru for Yadavs, Mulayam - the main mullah for UP Muslims (can't call him God or prophet because the pieceful will murder him), K'nidhi - the DKhead who makes money chanting anti-chaddi mantras to moronic people, Dora-God KCR who promises degrees and jobs for lazy people who don't study or work, etc. 

At least, your guru Pol Pot worked very hard to get rid of Chaddis in his country. Varavara Rao is trying hard to regroup Naxalies in Telangana and Chattisgarh (although he is facing stiff competition from Akbaruddin and his followers).

Idéfix wrote:
Guruvu-gaaru, you are my only guruvu-gaaru. Please do not insult yourself by assuming co-guruship over me with Pol Pot.

Kinnera wrote:One has to have the vivekam to differentiate between a cult leader and a true spiritual guru. Unfortunately, most don't have that.

truthbetold wrote:

Kinnera wrote:One has to have the vivekam to differentiate between a cult leader and a true spiritual guru. Unfortunately, most don't have that.

 
If Hindus are unable to distinguish between a cult leader and a true spiritual guru, what mechanism is there within hinduism to identify, expose, and better prevent cult leaders from gaining vast following.  

Lack of internal monitoring within Hinduism is also a problem in major festival organizations. In the past few years, there were several tragedies killing 10s or 100s of devotees. Most of them are preventable.  Unfortunately no initiatives are seen on national scale on prevention of fraud and tragedies within Hinduism.  

Hindus are passively allowing greedy low lifes exploit them. In their blind belief to participate in major events, they put themselves in harm's way.  It is sad to see there is no collective effort to improve.

truthbetold wrote:Why read any religious book?  One can find all the answers from their education if they can learn to think scientifically. 

I like Bhagvadgita. Even that great book is not able to inspire every hindu to read it or learn from it or live by it. 

I gave enough examples of gurus who have hoodwinked large number of hindus.  Sometimes the loss is personal. Sometimes it is a public tragedy. How about some standards of religious education,  some standards of conduct, and some transparency on monetary matters. (every religion has these problems but I am not part of those religions to question them. I am sure there are other individuals who are asking similar questions in those religions.)

The other question is what is hinduism doing about public tragedies happening during religious events?  Not much.  I have not heard similar catastrophic events at christian events (even in India). How many more Hindu people have to be sacrificed before a better event management can be lerned and executed?

bw wrote:i have found that people who talk too much about the greatness of all these things are no less petty, mendacious and corrupt than those who don't. maybe all this is done to expiate the other evil things they do.

FluteHolder wrote:

bw wrote:i have found that people who talk too much about the greatness of all these things are no less petty, mendacious and corrupt than those who don't. maybe all this is done to expiate the other evil things they do.

So, RM, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Paramahansa Yogananda, Sivananda and those of 'this rank' all had some petty ideals and corrupt? They had lots of evil they had to hide? Nice!
 
That is a pretty wide brush....

FluteHolder wrote:

bw wrote:i have found that people who talk too much about the greatness of all these things are no less petty, mendacious and corrupt than those who don't. maybe all this is done to expiate the other evil things they do.

So, RM, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, Paramahansa Yogananda, Sivananda and those of 'this rank' all had some petty ideals and corrupt? They had lots of evil they had to hide? Nice!
 
That is a pretty wide brush....

truthbetold wrote:Max

I am in agreement on the value of Gita.  Despite my enormous respect for Gita, it does not provide answer to all the questions of the world. 

Hinduism needs to be self critical and come up with methods and solutions.