Millennia before European thinkers, Gita and Arthashastra embodied Indian tradition of realpolitik: Henry Kissinger

Of all the incidents in Kissinger’s dark past, one of the least defensible must be his and President Richard Nixon’s staunch support of Pakistan’s military dictatorship while it carried out a bloody crackdown on its restive Bengali population in 1971. As Nixon's national security adviser, Kissinger stood behind Pakistan—a Cold War ally that prized its close military and diplomatic relationship with the United States—even as it swept away the results of a democratic election, killed horrific numbers of Bengalis and targeted the Hindu minority among Bengalis. He reserved his vitriol for India. And he trashed the career of Archer Blood, the brave U.S. consul general in Dhaka who, while witnessing and documenting the onslaught against the Bengalis, dissented from the White House’s pro-Pakistan policy.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/indefensible-kissinger-102123.html#ixzz3K1gorcCc

Indeed, some of Nixon’s harshest utterances about Indians use perfectly printable language: “I don’t know why the hell anybody would reproduce in that damn country but they do.” Kissinger joked about the massacre of Bengali Hindus, and, his voice dripping with contempt, sneered at Americans who “bleed” for “the dying Bengalis.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/indefensible-kissinger-102123.html#ixzz3K1hhIDlE

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Merlot Daruwala wrote:

rawemotions wrote:http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/the-world-according-to-gita-millennia-before-european-thinkers-gita-and-arthashastra-embodied-indian-tradition-of-realpolitik/

When will  chaddis stop hankering for white man's praise and recognition of our past glory??  This one in particular is a mealy-mouthed lowlife. Only a cretin would revel in his praise.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:first thing to learn is self respect. india shouldn't suck this vile creature's dick just because he has said something complimentary about the gita.

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

>>> Moral of the story: You don't fight by Marquess of Queensberry rules when you are dealing with a team that has no concept of it. You fight fire with fire.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

>>> Moral of the story: You don't fight by Marquess of Queensberry rules when you are dealing with a team that has no concept of it. You fight fire with fire.

that sounds like something islamist terrorists and neocons like paul wolfowitz would say. where does that leave the rest of us who hate both of those groups?

Kris wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

>>> Moral of the story: You don't fight by Marquess of Queensberry rules when you are dealing with a team that has no concept of it. You fight fire with fire.

that sounds like something islamist terrorists and neocons like paul wolfowitz would say. where does that leave the rest of us who hate both of those groups?

>>where does that leave the party being attacked, if it doesn't  fight back?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

>>> Moral of the story: You don't fight by Marquess of Queensberry rules when you are dealing with a team that has no concept of it. You fight fire with fire.

that sounds like something islamist terrorists and neocons like paul wolfowitz would say. where does that leave the rest of us who hate both of those groups?

>>where does that leave the party being attacked, if it doesn't  fight back?

did this party ask such searching questions when it was busy creating the monster in the first place during the soviet era to fight the soviets?

edited to add: i feel some realpolitik speech about to be unleashed right about now.

Kris wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

>>> Moral of the story: You don't fight by Marquess of Queensberry rules when you are dealing with a team that has no concept of it. You fight fire with fire.

that sounds like something islamist terrorists and neocons like paul wolfowitz would say. where does that leave the rest of us who hate both of those groups?

>>where does that leave the party being attacked, if it doesn't  fight back?

did this party ask such searching questions when it was busy creating the monster in the first place during the soviet era to fight the soviets?

edited to add: i feel some realpolitik speech about to be unleashed right about now.

If you want to have a decent conversation, we can. If you want to resort to sarcasm and snide remarks, please feel free to assume  any position to be mine and argue against it.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

>>> Moral of the story: You don't fight by Marquess of Queensberry rules when you are dealing with a team that has no concept of it. You fight fire with fire.

that sounds like something islamist terrorists and neocons like paul wolfowitz would say. where does that leave the rest of us who hate both of those groups?

>>where does that leave the party being attacked, if it doesn't  fight back?

did this party ask such searching questions when it was busy creating the monster in the first place during the soviet era to fight the soviets?

edited to add: i feel some realpolitik speech about to be unleashed right about now.

rawemotions wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

>>> Moral of the story: You don't fight by Marquess of Queensberry rules when you are dealing with a team that has no concept of it. You fight fire with fire.

that sounds like something islamist terrorists and neocons like paul wolfowitz would say. where does that leave the rest of us who hate both of those groups?

>>where does that leave the party being attacked, if it doesn't  fight back?

did this party ask such searching questions when it was busy creating the monster in the first place during the soviet era to fight the soviets?

edited to add: i feel some realpolitik speech about to be unleashed right about now.

Equating neocons and blood thirsty Barbarians. Well there is a first for everything. 

Good attempt to divert attention. I certainly have a few things to say about this.

However, this thread is getting hijacked now, with such questions that is not relevant to the main post. 

Please post a separate thread if you are interesting in exploring the moral equivalence of these two. This thread is not the place for it.  Let us keep the focus right on the Kissinger and his views. if you have anything to say about it. Please do. Otherwise kindly open new threads.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

that sounds like something islamist terrorists and neocons like paul wolfowitz would say. where does that leave the rest of us who hate both of those groups?

>>where does that leave the party being attacked, if it doesn't  fight back?

did this party ask such searching questions when it was busy creating the monster in the first place during the soviet era to fight the soviets?

edited to add: i feel some realpolitik speech about to be unleashed right about now.

Equating neocons and blood thirsty Barbarians. Well there is a first for everything. 

Good attempt to divert attention. I certainly have a few things to say about this.

However, this thread is getting hijacked now, with such questions that is not relevant to the main post. 

Please post a separate thread if you are interesting in exploring the moral equivalence of these two. This thread is not the place for it.  Let us keep the focus right on the Kissinger and his views. if you have anything to say about it. Please do. Otherwise kindly open new threads.

you mean my views on kissinger aren't clear? as to thread hijacking, please pay attention to the posts i was responding to rather than my last reply.

rawemotions wrote:
Good attempt to divert attention. I certainly have a few things to say about this.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Good attempt to divert attention. I certainly have a few things to say about this.

That comes as no surprise. When it comes to extolling our past greatness and making exaggerated claims, you chaddis will never run short of words. If wars could be won with empty words, you would be the conquerors of the world by now.

And the fact remains: you chaddis suffer from terrible low esteem, constantly requiring third-party validation of your self-worth. Look at you: so excited - and squirming with pleasure - because a professional liar and war criminal spoke positively about an ancient Indian text. You're even willing to make excuses for his historic role in screwing India. And you call yourself a patriot. Haha.

But this is nothing new. Worship of white men is common amongst chaddis. I wouldn't be surprised if someone discovers a shrine in Nagpur for Koenraad Elst. Textbooks in Gujarat, to this day, extol Nazism and chaddis everywhere worship Hitler, all because he invoked Sanskrit and Indian philosophies to push his Aryan supremacy agenda. Such cretinous buffoons, I tell you.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Good attempt to divert attention. I certainly have a few things to say about this.

That comes as no surprise. When it comes to extolling our past greatness and making exaggerated claims, you chaddis will never run short of words. If wars could be won with empty words, you would be the conquerors of the world by now.

And the fact remains: you chaddis suffer from terrible low esteem, constantly requiring third-party validation of your self-worth. Look at you: so excited - and squirming with pleasure - because a professional liar and war criminal spoke positively about an ancient Indian text. You're even willing to make excuses for his historic role in screwing India. And you call yourself a patriot. Haha.

But this is nothing new. Worship of white men is common amongst chaddis. I wouldn't be surprised if someone discovers a shrine in Nagpur for Koenraad Elst. Textbooks in Gujarat, to this day, extol Nazism and chaddis everywhere worship Hitler, all because he invoked Sanskrit and Indian philosophies to push his Aryan supremacy agenda. Such cretinous buffoons, I tell you.

The ars-licking you describe is much more common among Sikular fools. For all you know, Kissinger may be directing his comments toward self-deprecating Sikularists in India.

Garibi Hatao.

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Yet none of this great vision helped the good old Hindu kings deal Baburs, Ghajanis and Ghoris of the world. Wonder some Hindutva idiot ghost wrote this crap.

He said it embodied Indian tradition of realpolitik, that kept internal stability and gave a blueprint for a system of governance.
Not handle Barbarians with a blood thirsty Islamic Supremacist ideology that happened about 1000 years later.
That is a tough problem.

The world including the big countries /powers today (China/US/Russia/Europe/India) are still figuring out a way to handle the Islamic Supremacist (Political Islamist & Jihadist) ideologies spawned by these barbarians.

Propagandhi711 wrote:Good to see moral equivalence intellectuals continue plying their trade. These intellectuals won't ever be burdened by having to win a battle because they never enter one but will have tons to say with the benefitof hindsight and the 20k ft birds eyeview from their ivory perches

Propagandhi711 wrote:Our giant copy paste intellectual loves to lick Islamic asses and can't do enough to find precious little nuggets of positives about Islamic culture to extoll. Muslim guy says I don't like Isis? All of islam suddenly becomes peace loving and our friends drop their panties in a hurry to praise the culture to the sky...someone says something positive about Hinduism? Why the bastard must be a nasty individual and Hindus are insecure and craving praise from whiteman.

Indeed, some of Nixon’s harshest utterances about Indians use perfectly printable language: “I don’t know why the hell anybody would reproduce in that damn country but they do.”

Kissinger joked about the massacre of Bengali Hindus, and, his voice dripping with contempt, sneered at Americans who “bleed” for “the dying Bengalis.”

rawemotions wrote:
What I meant is if you have anything more to say. If you said already what you wanted to say, well and good. 

I beg to disagree on your other point. Kris post was clarifying my reply to dude, on why those manuals are not applicable to Islamic Terrorism and provided an alternative way to handle the issue. I see no issue in this post. When he says Fire, he only refers to Islamic Supremacist Barbarians referred to in my post. However, your reply suddenly brings in neocons and their views as somebody who is spewing fire and equates these two groups. Sorry Sir. that is digression from the main topic.

Propagandhi711 wrote:Our giant copy paste intellectual loves to lick Islamic asses and can't do enough to find precious little nuggets of positives about Islamic culture to extoll. Muslim guy says I don't like Isis? All of islam suddenly becomes peace loving and our friends drop their panties in a hurry to praise the culture to the sky...someone says something positive about Hinduism? Why the bastard must be a nasty individual and Hindus are insecure and craving praise from whiteman.