Rana Pratap a bit of an ass

indophile wrote:If we dismiss Rana Pratap, then we ought to dismiss Jhansi-ki-Rani Laxmibai, Prthviraj Chauhan, Mahatma Gandhi, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, and every other historic figure who fought a foreign invader as an ass; and also we need to crown Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Siraj-ud-Dowla (or was it his brother?), Hyderabad Nizam, and others who faithfully served the foreign invader as heroes.

Rashmun wrote:I find it surprising that many Indians continue to hold Rana Pratap in reference. The fact is that the guy was an ass. He preferred to continue fighting with the great Mughal emperor Akbar even when offered peace on generous terms. He died in a forest while living a life of hardship. Later Rana Pratap's son Uday signed a peace treaty with Akbar's son Jahangir. What did Rana Pratap achieve? Nothing. So why should we continue to hold in esteem a guy who was obviously not particularly intelligent?

ashdoc wrote:At least he didn't have to send his daughter to the mughal bed like other rajputs did and you prefer him to do .

Due to Rana pratap's gallant efforts when his son later had to sign a peace treaty with the mughals he didnt have to send a daughter to the mughal bed either .

Rana pratap's dynasty of Ranas of Mewad is held in highest esteem by all of India for this very reason .

When maratha peshwa Bajirao went campaigning in north india , he deliberately blew the smoke from his hookah onto the face of the king of jaipur---whose family had begun the tradition of sending rajput daughters to the mughal harem . The peshwa was showing his contempt....
On the other hand , the same peshwa sat a step lower than the maharana of mewad ( rana pratap's descendant ) when he went to visit him because his family had kept their honour intact .
When the brahmins of maharashtra declared shivaji a shudra by caste and refused to crown him till he proved his kshatriyaness, he claimed to be a sisodiya---a descendant of the family of rana pratap . And the brahmins crowned him Chhatrapati ( king )....

See the magic of the name of Rana Pratap....

indophile wrote:If we dismiss Rana Pratap, then we ought to dismiss Jhansi-ki-Rani Laxmibai, Prthviraj Chauhan, Mahatma Gandhi, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, and every other historic figure who fought a foreign invader as an ass; and also we need to crown Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Siraj-ud-Dowla (or was it his brother?), Hyderabad Nizam, and others who faithfully served the foreign invader as heroes.

Rashmun wrote:

indophile wrote:If we dismiss Rana Pratap, then we ought to dismiss Jhansi-ki-Rani Laxmibai, Prthviraj Chauhan, Mahatma Gandhi, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, and every other historic figure who fought a foreign invader as an ass; and also we need to crown Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Siraj-ud-Dowla (or was it his brother?), Hyderabad Nizam, and others who faithfully served the foreign invader as heroes.

Apples and oranges. Also, for every Jinnah there was also a Maulana Azad. For every Nizam there was a Tipu Sultan.

Rashmun wrote:

the broad minded mughals 

ashdoc wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

the broad minded mughals 

if the mughals were so broadminded then why didn't they marry their daughters to hindus ??

ashdoc wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

the broad minded mughals 

if the mughals were so broadminded then why didn't they marry their daughters to hindus ??

Obnoxious wrote:

ashdoc wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

the broad minded mughals 

if the mughals were so broadminded then why didn't they marry their daughters to hindus ??

The broadminded mughals didn't let their daughter marry anybody. The rule was made by the most broadminded of them all akbar.

Rashmun wrote:



Did any Hindu king give his daughter to a Muslim? No.

ashdoc wrote:

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Did any Hindu king give his daughter to a Muslim? No.

that is exactly what i want to say . these mughals used to force hindus to marry their daughters to themselves against their will .

Rashmun wrote:

ashdoc wrote:

Rashmun wrote:



Did any Hindu king give his daughter to a Muslim? No.

that is exactly what i want to say . these mughals used to force hindus to marry their daughters to themselves against their will .

Why force a Hindu princess to marry? Why not keep her as a mistress as the Hindu kings and nobility were doing to Muslim girls ( like Baji Rao and Mastani).
Of course the Rajputs were exceptions. There is documentary evidence that they were voluntarily giving their daughters to Mughal kings to be their wives.