Rand Paul and Ron Paul are both wrong about Paris

Nor should such religious violence come as any surprise given that convincing believers to use peaceful protests to stop provocateurs is something that took the West several centuries to accomplish. Indeed, until 1925, England was imprisoning rationalists and atheists under its blasphemy laws. Had Andres Serrano tried to exhibit Piss Christ — his picture showing a crucifix submerged in a jar of his urine — then, he might well have triggered a murderous rampage. Nor are violent tendencies confined to monotheistic religions. Even Hindus in a modern-day democracy like India routinely resort to violence to avenge real and imaginary religious insults. Death threats by Hindu fanatics drove Muslim painter M.F. Husain into exile in 2006 after he portrayed Hindu deities in the nude. And just this month, they burnt theaters screening PK, a movie lampooning blind faith in scripture-wielding gurus.

It might be politically incorrect to say this, but the truth is that many cultures are simply not as far along in their journey toward the Enlightenment as the West. And until they catch up, such clashes will continue.

What the West needs to do until then is stay firm and set an example for the world by giving maximal space to its own people to exercise their freedom of religion — which France doesn't do given its prohibition on wearing burqas and other religious symbols in public places — as well as the freedom to blaspheme — which France also truncates through aplethora of laws making religious insults a hate crime. If Ron Paul wants to do something to advance the cause of freedom, he should be protesting such laws — not simplistically attributing every cultural clash to Western foreign policy.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Funny....whenever your fellow islamis are under attack or at the center of controversy you post threads on Sarah Palin or Rand-y-Ron.

Dont you have anything to criticize on BJP interference on the censor board and the Christian masquerading as a hindu, Leela Samson? You do recall her past controversy ordering removal of Ganesh and other hindu idols from Kalakshetra?

Please comment....

Both the Paris attackers fell under Beghal’s spell, hardening their attitudes against France, their home country, and convincing them of the need to wage war in the name of Islam.
It is a worryingly common phenomena across Europe, but especially in France, where at least four men now known to have been radicalised in prison have launched attacks on Europe in the past two years.

What is going on in France’s prisons?

Of the 67,500 people currently behind bars in France, it is estimated that 70 per cent are Muslim – when they comprise only eight per cent of the French public. It is illegal under France’s strict laicity laws to count the number of Muslim prisoners, but experts agree that the figure is an accurate average – with some prisons, like those near Paris and Marseille, seeing an even higher percentage. In England and Wales, Muslims account for 14 per cent of the prison population, according to Home Office statistics, and five per cent of the population nationwide.
French authorities state that 283 people are currently in prison for terrorism, of whom 152 are classed as dangerous Islamists. Sixty of them – almost all incarcerated in Paris – are deemed particularly dangerous.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Funny....whenever your fellow islamis are under attack or at the center of controversy you post threads on Sarah Palin or Rand-y-Ron.

Dont you have anything to criticize on BJP interference on the censor board and the Christian masquerading as a hindu, Leela Samson? You do recall her past controversy ordering removal of Ganesh and other hindu idols from Kalakshetra?

Please comment....

leela smason never masqueraded as a hindu. kindly don't BS.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Funny....whenever your fellow islamis are under attack or at the center of controversy you post threads on Sarah Palin or Rand-y-Ron.

Dont you have anything to criticize on BJP interference on the censor board and the Christian masquerading as a hindu, Leela Samson? You do recall her past controversy ordering removal of Ganesh and other hindu idols from Kalakshetra?

Please comment....

leela smason never masqueraded as a hindu. kindly don't BS.

Really....look at her in sarees and bindi...the image of a typical hindu woman in the eyes of any commoner, westerner, iSlami or a Christian - irrespective of whatever excuse/explanation you are likely to come up with. If she wore any other dress or put on a image she would not be heading Kalakshetra...There were a lot of articles 10 years ago about her during the student revolt on her "cleansing" campaign at Kalakshetra and changing its decades-long character

BJP is responsible for the Board's resignation - a "secular" board appointed by Sonia mata, and there is nothing wrong in throwing it out. There is no answer to the facts that Leela and the board never met after it was formed in May by the UPA. Why should there be a board.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Really....look at her in sarees and bindi...the image of a typical hindu woman in the eyes of any commoner, westerner, iSlami or a Christian - irrespective of whatever excuse/explanation you are likely to come up with. If she wore any other dress or put on a image she would not be heading Kalakshetra...There were a lot of articles 10 years ago about her during the student revolt on her "cleansing" campaign at Kalakshetra and changing its decades-long character

BJP is responsible for the Board's resignation - a "secular" board appointed by Sonia mata, and there is nothing wrong in throwing it out. There is no answer to the facts that Leela and the board never met after it was formed in May by the UPA. Why should there be a board.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Funny....whenever your fellow islamis are under attack or at the center of controversy you post threads on Sarah Palin or Rand-y-Ron.

Dont you have anything to criticize on BJP interference on the censor board and the Christian masquerading as a hindu, Leela Samson? You do recall her past controversy ordering removal of Ganesh and other hindu idols from Kalakshetra?

Please comment....

leela smason never masqueraded as a hindu. kindly don't BS.

Really....look at her in sarees and bindi...the image of a typical hindu woman in the eyes of any commoner, westerner, iSlami or a Christian - irrespective of whatever excuse/explanation you are likely to come up with. If she wore any other dress or put on a image she would not be heading Kalakshetra...There were a lot of articles 10 years ago about her during the student revolt on her "cleansing" campaign at Kalakshetra and changing its decades-long character

BJP is responsible for the Board's resignation - a "secular" board appointed by Sonia mata, and there is nothing wrong in throwing it out. There is no answer to the facts that Leela and the board never met after it was formed in May by the UPA. Why should there be a board.

hindu women in the west wear skirts and pants. are they masquerading as christians? what utter BS! she practices and makes a living out of an art form that was wholly formed in the crucible of tamilian hinduism. that she associates with hindu symbols is a non-story. this is ridiculous even for your fevered imagination.

Washington (AFP) - US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week's shootings in Paris.

The US leader said the 2013 Boston marathon bombing showed that the United States was not entirely safe from jihadist cells, but suggested that it had had more success than others in integrating minorities.

"Our biggest advantage, major, is that our Muslim populations feel themselves to be Americans and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition," he said.

"There are parts of Europe in which that's not the case ... it's important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems."

And he added: "There also has to be a recognition that the stronger the ties of a North African or a Frenchman of North African descent to French liberties, that's going to be important over time."

confuzzled dude wrote:

Washington (AFP) - US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week's shootings in Paris.

The US leader said the 2013 Boston marathon bombing showed that the United States was not entirely safe from jihadist cells, but suggested that it had had more success than others in integrating minorities.

"Our biggest advantage, major, is that our Muslim populations feel themselves to be Americans and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition," he said.

"There are parts of Europe in which that's not the case ... it's important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems."

And he added: "There also has to be a recognition that the stronger the ties of a North African or a Frenchman of North African descent to French liberties, that's going to be important over time."

http://news.yahoo.com/us-britain-vow-help-france-paris-attacks-obama-175747690.html

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Funny....whenever your fellow islamis are under attack or at the center of controversy you post threads on Sarah Palin or Rand-y-Ron.

Dont you have anything to criticize on BJP interference on the censor board and the Christian masquerading as a hindu, Leela Samson? You do recall her past controversy ordering removal of Ganesh and other hindu idols from Kalakshetra?

Please comment....

leela smason never masqueraded as a hindu. kindly don't BS.

Really....look at her in sarees and bindi...the image of a typical hindu woman in the eyes of any commoner, westerner, iSlami or a Christian - irrespective of whatever excuse/explanation you are likely to come up with. If she wore any other dress or put on a image she would not be heading Kalakshetra...There were a lot of articles 10 years ago about her during the student revolt on her "cleansing" campaign at Kalakshetra and changing its decades-long character

BJP is responsible for the Board's resignation - a "secular" board appointed by Sonia mata, and there is nothing wrong in throwing it out. There is no answer to the facts that Leela and the board never met after it was formed in May by the UPA. Why should there be a board.

hindu women in the west wear skirts and pants. are they masquerading as christians? what utter BS! she practices and makes a living out of an art form that was wholly formed in the crucible of tamilian hinduism. that she associates with hindu symbols is a non-story. this is ridiculous even for your fevered imagination.

when was the last time you have seen Leela in any other dress or in a church or anything in a different image? I have seen Indians who wear skirts and jeans ALSO wear sarees. Also know christians who are passionate about Bharatnatyam - Mariamma here on SuCH and my first Christian pal on IM who came out of Kalakshetra. But, to cleanse the very environment that brought its tradition and fame ???  yeah rite. This is nothing but gimmickry along the lines of Sonia's "Indian" act.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Washington (AFP) - US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week's shootings in Paris.

The US leader said the 2013 Boston marathon bombing showed that the United States was not entirely safe from jihadist cells, but suggested that it had had more success than others in integrating minorities.

"Our biggest advantage, major, is that our Muslim populations feel themselves to be Americans and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition," he said.

"There are parts of Europe in which that's not the case ... it's important for Europe not to simply respond with a hammer and law enforcement and military approaches to these problems."

And he added: "There also has to be a recognition that the stronger the ties of a North African or a Frenchman of North African descent to French liberties, that's going to be important over time."

http://news.yahoo.com/us-britain-vow-help-france-paris-attacks-obama-175747690.html

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

leela smason never masqueraded as a hindu. kindly don't BS.

Really....look at her in sarees and bindi...the image of a typical hindu woman in the eyes of any commoner, westerner, iSlami or a Christian - irrespective of whatever excuse/explanation you are likely to come up with. If she wore any other dress or put on a image she would not be heading Kalakshetra...There were a lot of articles 10 years ago about her during the student revolt on her "cleansing" campaign at Kalakshetra and changing its decades-long character

BJP is responsible for the Board's resignation - a "secular" board appointed by Sonia mata, and there is nothing wrong in throwing it out. There is no answer to the facts that Leela and the board never met after it was formed in May by the UPA. Why should there be a board.

hindu women in the west wear skirts and pants. are they masquerading as christians? what utter BS! she practices and makes a living out of an art form that was wholly formed in the crucible of tamilian hinduism. that she associates with hindu symbols is a non-story. this is ridiculous even for your fevered imagination.

when was the last time you have seen Leela in any other dress or in a church or anything in a different image? I have seen Indians who wear skirts and jeans ALSO wear sarees. Also know christians who are passionate about Bharatnatyam - Mariamma here on SuCH and my first Christian pal on IM who came out of Kalakshetra. But, to cleanse the very environment that brought its tradition and fame ???  yeah rite. This is nothing but gimmickry along the lines of Sonia's "Indian" act.

i have never seen tamil christian women in anything other than a sari. in a related thought, she was born christian and jewish, but what if she is an agnostic or atheist? are there any special atheistic dress code that would be more acceptable to you?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Funny....whenever your fellow islamis are under attack or at the center of controversy you post threads on Sarah Palin or Rand-y-Ron.

Dont you have anything to criticize on BJP interference on the censor board and the Christian masquerading as a hindu, Leela Samson? You do recall her past controversy ordering removal of Ganesh and other hindu idols from Kalakshetra?

Please comment....

leela smason never masqueraded as a hindu. kindly don't BS.

Really....look at her in sarees and bindi...the image of a typical hindu woman in the eyes of any commoner, westerner, iSlami or a Christian - irrespective of whatever excuse/explanation you are likely to come up with. If she wore any other dress or put on a image she would not be heading Kalakshetra...There were a lot of articles 10 years ago about her during the student revolt on her "cleansing" campaign at Kalakshetra and changing its decades-long character

BJP is responsible for the Board's resignation - a "secular" board appointed by Sonia mata, and there is nothing wrong in throwing it out. There is no answer to the facts that Leela and the board never met after it was formed in May by the UPA. Why should there be a board.

hindu women in the west wear skirts and pants. are they masquerading as christians? what utter BS! she practices and makes a living out of an art form that was wholly formed in the crucible of tamilian hinduism. that she associates with hindu symbols is a non-story. this is ridiculous even for your fevered imagination.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the statue moving thing she has already explained and i am satisfied with her explanation. of course the usual suspects will keep beating that dead horse.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Nor should such religious violence come as any surprise given that convincing believers to use peaceful protests to stop provocateurs is something that took the West several centuries to accomplish. Indeed, until 1925, England was imprisoning rationalists and atheists under its blasphemy laws. Had Andres Serrano tried to exhibit Piss Christ — his picture showing a crucifix submerged in a jar of his urine — then, he might well have triggered a murderous rampage. Nor are violent tendencies confined to monotheistic religions. Even Hindus in a modern-day democracy like India routinely resort to violence to avenge real and imaginary religious insults. Death threats by Hindu fanatics drove Muslim painter M.F. Husain into exile in 2006 after he portrayed Hindu deities in the nude. And just this month, they burnt theaters screening PK, a movie lampooning blind faith in scripture-wielding gurus.

It might be politically incorrect to say this, but the truth is that many cultures are simply not as far along in their journey toward the Enlightenment as the West. And until they catch up, such clashes will continue.

What the West needs to do until then is stay firm and set an example for the world by giving maximal space to its own people to exercise their freedom of religion — which France doesn't do given its prohibition on wearing burqas and other religious symbols in public places — as well as the freedom to blaspheme — which France also truncates through aplethora of laws making religious insults a hate crime. If Ron Paul wants to do something to advance the cause of freedom, he should be protesting such laws — not simplistically attributing every cultural clash to Western foreign policy.

http://theweek.com/articles/533736/rand-paul-ron-paul-are-both-wrong-about-paris

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Really....look at her in sarees and bindi...the image of a typical hindu woman in the eyes of any commoner, westerner, iSlami or a Christian - irrespective of whatever excuse/explanation you are likely to come up with. If she wore any other dress or put on a image she would not be heading Kalakshetra...There were a lot of articles 10 years ago about her during the student revolt on her "cleansing" campaign at Kalakshetra and changing its decades-long character

BJP is responsible for the Board's resignation - a "secular" board appointed by Sonia mata, and there is nothing wrong in throwing it out. There is no answer to the facts that Leela and the board never met after it was formed in May by the UPA. Why should there be a board.

hindu women in the west wear skirts and pants. are they masquerading as christians? what utter BS! she practices and makes a living out of an art form that was wholly formed in the crucible of tamilian hinduism. that she associates with hindu symbols is a non-story. this is ridiculous even for your fevered imagination.

when was the last time you have seen Leela in any other dress or in a church or anything in a different image? I have seen Indians who wear skirts and jeans ALSO wear sarees. Also know christians who are passionate about Bharatnatyam - Mariamma here on SuCH and my first Christian pal on IM who came out of Kalakshetra. But, to cleanse the very environment that brought its tradition and fame ???  yeah rite. This is nothing but gimmickry along the lines of Sonia's "Indian" act.

i have never seen tamil christian women in anything other than a sari. in a related thought, she was born christian and jewish, but what if she is an agnostic or atheist? are there any special atheistic dress code that would be more acceptable to you?

Am I complaining about Jesudas? Being a Christian and Jewish is not - at all - a problem. In fact, I am proud that a Jewish-Christian woman did that. It is to her credit that she is a masetro of a classical Indian Dance. But, using it to hoist her views and opinions and sneaking in her agenda and forcing it insidiously - in the name of secularism - at the institution that made her is despicable. And, that is cultural jihadism against hinduism.

- and this comes from a guy who is totally pro-jewish.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the statue moving thing she has already explained and i am satisfied with her explanation. of course the usual suspects will keep beating that dead horse.

Just like you and the Pseudo-iSlamis are not satisfied with numerous exonerations of Modi, I am not satisfied with her BS explanations.

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Nor should such religious violence come as any surprise given that convincing believers to use peaceful protests to stop provocateurs is something that took the West several centuries to accomplish. Indeed, until 1925, England was imprisoning rationalists and atheists under its blasphemy laws. Had Andres Serrano tried to exhibit Piss Christ — his picture showing a crucifix submerged in a jar of his urine — then, he might well have triggered a murderous rampage. Nor are violent tendencies confined to monotheistic religions. Even Hindus in a modern-day democracy like India routinely resort to violence to avenge real and imaginary religious insults. Death threats by Hindu fanatics drove Muslim painter M.F. Husain into exile in 2006 after he portrayed Hindu deities in the nude. And just this month, they burnt theaters screening PK, a movie lampooning blind faith in scripture-wielding gurus.

It might be politically incorrect to say this, but the truth is that many cultures are simply not as far along in their journey toward the Enlightenment as the West. And until they catch up, such clashes will continue.

What the West needs to do until then is stay firm and set an example for the world by giving maximal space to its own people to exercise their freedom of religion — which France doesn't do given its prohibition on wearing burqas and other religious symbols in public places — as well as the freedom to blaspheme — which France also truncates through aplethora of laws making religious insults a hate crime. If Ron Paul wants to do something to advance the cause of freedom, he should be protesting such laws — not simplistically attributing every cultural clash to Western foreign policy.

http://theweek.com/articles/533736/rand-paul-ron-paul-are-both-wrong-about-paris

The author is mis-informed, MF Hussain escaped out of India, because he violated the law. There were more than hundreds of cases that were filed against him across all courts of India. If he had stepped into India, he would have been arrested, and the cases on courts dragged to keep him in prison for a long time.

We can debate France's actions on Banning Burqa. One thing is  sure. France saved its future Muslim Nursing students Or their teachers, from being killed by Political Islamist zealots (as seen in Bangladesh), who force the dress down the throats of Muslim women and girls. 


http://www.chakranews.com/hindu-nursing-lecturer-murdered-in-bangladesh-by-muslim-student-group-for-following-govt-policy/4767