Percentage of Muslims in India grew by just 0.8 in last decade: What are political parties fussing over?

confuzzled dude wrote:http://www.firstpost.com/india/percentage-of-muslims-in-india-grew-by-just-0-8-in-last-decade-what-are-political-parties-fussing-over-2058447.html

If they keep fretting over heavy infiltration in NE then the risk is, actual Muslim population growth in rest of India (in conjunction with low infant mortality rate) might be below the national average of 18%, which will fly in the face of the very [il]logic of our maha-patriots; they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Dear Pseudi-iSlami:

at what % growth the political parties - read hindu terrorists - should fret ?

Please refer to your holy book and enlighten us.

In 2008-
Hindus (incl. sikh, budhist, jain etc) - 82crore - 73.9% (growth rate in 61 years 249% @ 4.07% /year)
Muslims - 25 crore - 22.5% ( growth rate in 61 years 833% @13.7% /year)
Christians - 4 crore - 3.6%

From the above, the growth (incl. infiltration around 5 cr.) in 61 years by muslims are more than 580% that of hindus (incl. like hindus) and hindus reduced by 16.1% in simple arithmatic in 61 years where as muslims increased by 14.5% in terms of population percentage!

In simple calculation, if muslims & hindus maintain same growth rate (i.e 13.5% / year for muslim and 4.07% / year for hindu), after 27 years in 2035, MUSLIM WILL BECOME ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IN INDIA ( total population :197.7 crore). Conversion, threatening, rioting, slaughtering, terrorism, intrusion, polygamy, no birth control are being the major tools for muslim to reach that figure within the said period.

In 2035 –
Muslims - 92.5 crore - 48.2%
Hindus - 90.2 crore - 46.9%
Christians - 9.5 crore - 4.9%

By 2040-
ALL HINDU FESTIVAL WILL BE STOPPED.  MASSIVE CONVERSION AND GENOCIDE OF NON-MUSLIMS WILL BE STARTED.

By 2050-
Muslims - 189.62 crore - 63.8% (INDIA WILL BE DECLARED ISLAMIC COUNTRY)
Hindus - 95.7 crore - 32.2%
Christians - 12.0 crore - 4.0%

truthbetold wrote:]It is clear from the previous trends that in the last decade too, the percentage of Muslims must have increased, while at the same time the percentage of Hindus must have gone down. Add to it the support of the state governments to the illegal Bangladeshi Muslim infiltrators who came in droves. While Muslims might not have gone beyond the 50% mark, but their share in the population must have gone up significantly and the number of districts where they are more than one third must have risen. So, get ready to witness more and more manifestations of the altered demography: Coming to light of the jihadi cells in Burdwan is just the beginning.

WHAT do the data reveal? According to the adjusted figures (excluding Assam and Jammu and Kashmir to make the data comparable), Hindus account for 81.4 per cent and Muslims 12.4 per cent of the total population. If Hindus formed 82.3 per cent of the rural and 75.6 per cent of the urban population, the figures for Muslims were 12 per cent and 17.3 per cent. Of the total Hindu population, 74 per cent lives in the rural areas and 26 per cent in the urban areas; the corresponding figures for Muslims are 64 per cent and 36 per cent respectively. Muslims are thus concentrated in the urban areas.

The decadal rise (1991-2001) in population is 20 per cent for Hindus and 29.3 per cent for Muslims. But the growth rate is decelerating, much faster for Muslims (by 3.6 percentage points since 1981-91) than for Hindus (2.8 percentage points). This is in line with the accepted demography theory that population growth will fall with development and ultimately stagnate.

Given these figures, there is not the remotest possibility of Muslims becoming the majority community in India in the foreseeable future. In fact, the earliest that Muslims can outnumber Hindus is three centuries from now and that too if the two communities continue to grow at the same rate as in 1991-2001. In the near term, say, the next three decades, Muslims will account for no more than 14 per cent of India's population.

Kayalvizhi wrote:Increase in Hindian population since 1950 in more than twice that of Karnataka. So we want Hindian menm over 30 be castrated.

All the four South Indian states Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Karnataka as well as Goa, Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Maharashtra, West Bengal, Sikkim, and Tripura, and the union territories of Delhi, Lakshadweep, Daman and Diu, Andaman and Nicobar and Chandigarh, registered a low fertility rate below the crucial 2.1.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

truthbetold wrote:]It is clear from the previous trends that in the last decade too, the percentage of Muslims must have increased, while at the same time the percentage of Hindus must have gone down. Add to it the support of the state governments to the illegal Bangladeshi Muslim infiltrators who came in droves. While Muslims might not have gone beyond the 50% mark, but their share in the population must have gone up significantly and the number of districts where they are more than one third must have risen. So, get ready to witness more and more manifestations of the altered demography: Coming to light of the jihadi cells in Burdwan is just the beginning.

Who are you trying to preach?

It is all in black and white..Everyone knows and fully understands the import of the muslim growth. The Muslims are gloating over it and the Pusedo-iSlamis know that only very well. Still they whine and blame hindus for false worries bcz they want the muslim growth to increase. Notice how these Pseudo-iSlamis want to give independence to JK. Soon they will argue for independence of Assam, WB, etc...so that they can feel good about their "liberal" and "humanistic" and "egilitarian" mindset.

either they are absolutely dumb or perfect crooks.

truthbetold wrote:The past two decades seem to indicate, infiltration from bangladesh seem to have a much larger impact based on WB and assam population changes. One should probably also make provisions for not yet calculated immigrants ( 5% of those state populations?). 

The percentage of Muslims in some districts were [5]:
Murshidabad (63.67) 
Malda (49.72), 
Uttar Dinajpur (47.36), 
Birbhum (35.08), 
S 24 Parganas (33.2)
        
It is clear from the previous trends that in the last decade too, the percentage of Muslims must have increased, while at the same time the percentage of Hindus must have gone down. Add to it the support of the state governments to the illegal Bangladeshi Muslim infiltrators who came in droves. While Muslims might not have gone beyond the 50% mark, but their share in the population must have gone up significantly and the number of districts where they are more than one third must have risen. So, get ready to witness more and more manifestations of the altered demography: Coming to light of the jihadi cells in Burdwan is just the beginning.

truthbetold wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/census-hindu-share-dips-below-80-muslim-share-grows-but-slower/

In absolute terms, the number of Muslims increased 24.4 per cent to 17.18 crore from 13.8 crore during the period 2001-11. And during the previous five decades — 1951 to 2001 — their share rose from 9.8 per cent to 13.4 per cent. 


The share of Hindus over the previous five decades — between 1951 i.e. post-partition and 2001 — dropped 3.65 percentage points from 84.1 per cent to 80.45 per cent of the total population. Again in absolute terms, the Hindu population more than doubled (172 per cent increase) from 30.36 crore to 82.75 crore during the 50 years till 2001. The drop in share of Hindus, due to a steady dip in the rate of growth of the Hindu population, comes on the back of rising education and income levels of the majority community. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/census-hindu-share-dips-below-80-muslim-share-grows-but-slower/#sthash.19PUTvRC.dpuf


According to figures of the religion census of 2011, yet to be officially released, Hindus comprised 78.35 per cent of the total population of 121.05 crore, compared with 80.45 per cent of the total population in 2001. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/census-hindu-share-dips-below-80-muslim-share-grows-but-slower/#sthash.19PUTvRC.dpuf



The Census 2011 data shows that since independence, the share of Hindus has dropped by 5.75 percentage points while the share of Muslims has risen by slightly more than 4 percentage points. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/census-hindu-share-dips-below-80-muslim-share-grows-but-slower/#sthash.19PUTvRC.dpuf

What is more, according to the detailed analysis available at the Manipur government website, in the said decade, the proportion of Christians in the total population of the state fell from 34.11 per cent to 34.04. It is true that in the same period, the share of Hindus in the total population of the state dropped by a whopping 11 percentage points. But that was partly because the share of the 'other' religious category rose from 0.77 per cent in 1991 to 10.85 per cent in 2001. According to the state government website, the category of 'other' consists of those who are distinct from the followers of Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism or Jainism.

In other north-eastern states, the rate of growth of Muslims and Christians has been much faster than of Hindus. But in most cases, that can be attributed to a low base effect. In Arunachal Pradesh, for instance, after a growth of 73.41 per cent from 1991 to 2001, the number of Muslims stood at 20,675. In Mizoram, the population of Muslims grew by a whopping 122.54 per cent in the same period. But in terms of absolute number, there were 10,099 Muslims during the period when census operation was carried in the state in 2001.

Demographers also point out significant regional variation in rates of growth of population for all communities. In an essay in the Economic and Political Weekly (January 29, 2005), P M Kulkarni and Manoj Aagarajan wrote: "While discussing religious differentials in India, one must also note that fertility for a religion varies substantially across states. Fertility among Hindus of Uttar Pradesh is higher than that of Hindus of Tamil Nadu and the same holds true for Muslims. This suggests there is no 'Hindu fertility' or 'Muslim fertility' or 'Christian fertility' as such. Besides, even in individual states, there is heterogeneity within a religion."

In the whole of south India, for instance, the average annual population growth rate of Muslims at 1.66 per cent between 1991-2001 was way below the national average of 1.9 per cent in the same period. The average annual population growth rate of Muslims in Kerala and Tamil Nadu were even lower.

confuzzled dude wrote:A few more myth busters

What is more, according to the detailed analysis available at the Manipur government website, in the said decade, the proportion of Christians in the total population of the state fell from 34.11 per cent to 34.04. It is true that in the same period, the share of Hindus in the total population of the state dropped by a whopping 11 percentage points. But that was partly because the share of the 'other' religious category rose from 0.77 per cent in 1991 to 10.85 per cent in 2001. According to the state government website, the category of 'other' consists of those who are distinct from the followers of Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism or Jainism.

In other north-eastern states, the rate of growth of Muslims and Christians has been much faster than of Hindus. But in most cases, that can be attributed to a low base effect. In Arunachal Pradesh, for instance, after a growth of 73.41 per cent from 1991 to 2001, the number of Muslims stood at 20,675. In Mizoram, the population of Muslims grew by a whopping 122.54 per cent in the same period. But in terms of absolute number, there were 10,099 Muslims during the period when census operation was carried in the state in 2001.

This is what I was suspecting earlier

Demographers also point out significant regional variation in rates of growth of population for all communities. In an essay in the Economic and Political Weekly (January 29, 2005), P M Kulkarni and Manoj Aagarajan wrote: "While discussing religious differentials in India, one must also note that fertility for a religion varies substantially across states. Fertility among Hindus of Uttar Pradesh is higher than that of Hindus of Tamil Nadu and the same holds true for Muslims. This suggests there is no 'Hindu fertility' or 'Muslim fertility' or 'Christian fertility' as such. Besides, even in individual states, there is heterogeneity within a religion."

In the whole of south India, for instance, the average annual population growth rate of Muslims at 1.66 per cent between 1991-2001 was way below the national average of 1.9 per cent in the same period. The average annual population growth rate of Muslims in Kerala and Tamil Nadu were even lower.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/is-the-demographic-profile-changing-115011800759_1.html

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
No matter what you come up with ...here is the simple math...

The Muslim population and their ratio of population have been increasing since  Independence while hindu population/share has been drastically decreasing in Pakistan and Bangladesh.  Do you want to deny this fact ?

A simple projection of this incremental increase leads to a Muslim majority in some 50 years. And, we all know that Muslims consider even a 30% share as some kind of a Koranic majority and dictate/split/subjugate the majority through threat and violence.

So dump all your math and cut/paste from the net in the garbage.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
No matter what you come up with ...here is the simple math...

The Muslim population and their ratio of population have been increasing since  Independence while hindu population/share has been drastically decreasing in Pakistan and Bangladesh.  Do you want to deny this fact ?

A simple projection of this incremental increase leads to a Muslim majority in some 50 years. And, we all know that Muslims consider even a 30% share as some kind of a Koranic majority and dictate/split/subjugate the majority through threat and violence.

So dump all your math and cut/paste from the net in the garbage.

I wish it was as simple. But I can tell you one simple thing though. This supposed leak of selective data appears to have occurred, keeping upcoming elections in Delhi in mind.

truthbetold wrote:CD

It is amusing to observe your mental gymnastics to support your theory (I do not know what that theory is yet).  

If the primary discussion is about fertility, you bring in discussion of illegal immigration to confuse the discussion.  If the discussion is about illegal immigration, then you talk about fertility impact.  If you are cornered by your own facts, then you blame indian govt (which happens to be your UPA govt for most of this period). 

The facts are simple:  Since 1951 _ Muslim population increased 4% in absolute terms and Hindu population decreased 5 plus % in absolute terms. The population % in WB, Assam, UP and BIhar are changing significantly. In some districts have become overwhelmingly muslim. 

There are consequences from those changes. Those muslim population concentrations have changed the politics of those states and not necessarily in a positive way.  Those states are cause of concern for rest of India in terms of economic growth, security and jihadi hot spots. 

Instead of jumping from one point to other,  give us your thoughts on the changes of population %s.