Did Rahul close down Vendanta project?

by truthbetold Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:26 pm

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/fifth-column-truth-at-last/

Vendata story:
"This made international producers nervous so an ageing socialite was recruited to help stop the project after the refinery was built at a cost of more than Rs 11,000 crore. This lady, almost famous long ago for marrying a rock star, was taken to Rahul Gandhi by a Delhi socialite, once very famous for her devotion to the Dynasty." - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/fifth-column-truth-at-last/#sthash.UPOOaEGl.dpuf

"his Environment Minister closed the project for alleged violations of forest laws." - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/fifth-column-truth-at-last/#sthash.UPOOaEGl.dpuf

A modi zinger:
"Already there are far too many Hindutva activists wandering about the corridors of vital ministries. Whether they succeed in influencing policies or not, they are already trespassing on territory that must be restricted to elected officials and government servants." - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/fifth-column-truth-at-last/2/#sthash.uFgmdjtj.dpuf

on Modi govt:
"no matter what the flaws of this government, it has replaced one that did incalculable harm to India." - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/fifth-column-truth-at-last/2/#sthash.uFgmdjtj.dpuf

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:17 pm

Needs to be bookmarked...

Selling india's interests to international lobbyists - and that too, the Chinese - is to be expected from Italian dual citizens.

by truthbetold Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:47 pm

If a good investigation leads to the bottom of these events, it could spell doom for the dynasty. That is the minimum modi could do for the country.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:52 pm

truthbetold wrote:If a good investigation leads to the bottom of these events, it could spell doom for the dynasty. That is the minimum modi could do for the country.

The problem with the Indian voters is they seemed to equate the jailed corrupt politicians with "freedom fighters" The moment you throw a criminal scoundrel in jail - if at all even for 1 week - the person gains instant sympathy, popularity and votes. So no matter what none of the corrupt congress politicians can be jailed. It takes more than 10 years to convict and the charges fade away from people's memory. In between there are at least 2 elections and enough corruption committed by the Govt that replaced the previous corrupt ones.

by rawemotions Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:11 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Needs to be bookmarked...

Selling india's interests to international lobbyists - and that too, the Chinese - is to be expected from Italian dual citizens.

Apparently 90% of India's bauxite exports went to China. In July 2014 NDA imposed a 20% duty to curb exports
and give a fillip to local manufacturing of Aluminium.
It will be shame if we export Bauxite and Import Aluminium from China.
Indonesia has wisely stopped all Bauxite exports.

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/15/china-pain-on-bauxite-as-india-ups-export-duty/

by rawemotions Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:31 pm

truthbetold wrote:If a good investigation leads to the bottom of these events, it could spell doom for the dynasty. That is the minimum modi could do for the country.

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by Merlot Daruwala Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:26 am

While Tavleen Singh will always portray it as a vindication of her old diatribes against the evil dynasty, the reality is that the last couple of years of the UPA Govt were characterized by the complete abdication of power by the executive, where the courts and the NGOs ran riot and anybody could veto any project they fancied.

In that context, I wouldn't see the Vedanta case as some specially egregious case. Just to be clear, all the local tribal panchayats had vetoed that proposal despite massive lobbying and large-scale local bribery by Vedanta, so it would have been quite awkward for the Center - especially one that claimed to be speaking for the poor, tribals etc - to bulldoze through those objections. Rahul Gandhi and Jayanthi Natarajan were quite incidental to that veto. Link: http://www.livemint.com/Politics/RfscBlhoFhQDapFA6uU7UK/Government-rejects-Vedantas-bauxite-mining-plans-in-Niyamgi.html

Just to remind everyone on the state of (non-)governance at that time, here's a link from back then: https://such.forumotion.com/t16342-where-everyone-has-the-power-of-the-veto

by truthbetold Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:18 am

MD

You present a reasonable secenario. Here is another possibility (purely based on other events of the past).

The Al manufacturers around world did not like the Vendata deal. They orchestrated a oposition movement in india (similar to anti nuclear protests in TN). They could fund few NGOs and enlist ever reliable left wing extremists. After few small and big storms, they make representations to High command and they react as if these are responses to public demand. In other words, the greater conspiracy involves the high command from the beginning. But they come into view only as saviours.

That is why a serious professional investigation is required to establish facts.

As far as dynasty is considered, I hope its demise will give rise to a new grouping in Indian political forces.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:26 am

truthbetold wrote:The Al manufacturers around world did not like the Vendata deal. They orchestrated a oposition movement in india (similar to anti nuclear protests in TN). They could fund few NGOs and enlist ever reliable left wing extremists. After few small and big storms, they make representations to High command and they react as if these are responses to public demand. In other words, the greater conspiracy involves the high command from the beginning. But they come into view only as saviours.

Conspiracy theories, especially of the hidden foreign hand, are always easy to cook up in India and that has been so for the last six decades. But in this context, I'm a little skeptical - it smacks too much of Vedanta's PR machinery at work. The numbers just don't add up. Vedanta's proposed mines in Niyamgiri would have raised their Lanjigarh plant's bauxite capacity to 5 MTPA. In a world that produces 259 MTPA, I don't see how 5 MTPA would halve global aluminium prices.

I do believe NGOs played a big role in inciting the tribals of Niyamgiri to reject Vedanta's proposal in the referendum last year. But that could be said of just about every large project in the country, from Narmada dam to POSCO to Kundankulam to whatever else you can think of.

by truthbetold Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:33 pm

"Lanjigarh plant's bauxite capacity to 5 MTPA. In a world that produces 259 MTPA, I don't see how 5 MTPA would halve global aluminium prices."

That is why we need a full scale investigation to get the bottom of the issue. In good old days, one of the powerful news papers would have sent investigative journos. Now that breed is dead. So we need SC or HC, overstepping its jurisdiction, order an SIT to get fair investigation of such accusations.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:14 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:The Al manufacturers around world did not like the Vendata deal. They orchestrated a oposition movement in india (similar to anti nuclear protests in TN). They could fund few NGOs and enlist ever reliable left wing extremists. After few small and big storms, they make representations to High command and they react as if these are responses to public demand. In other words, the greater conspiracy involves the high command from the beginning. But they come into view only as saviours.

Conspiracy theories, especially of the hidden foreign hand, are always easy to cook up in India and that has been so for the last six decades. But in this context, I'm a little skeptical - it smacks too much of Vedanta's PR machinery at work. The numbers just don't add up. Vedanta's proposed mines in Niyamgiri would have raised their Lanjigarh plant's bauxite capacity to 5 MTPA. In a world that produces 259 MTPA, I don't see how 5 MTPA would halve global aluminium prices.

I do believe NGOs played a big role in inciting the tribals of Niyamgiri to reject Vedanta's proposal in the referendum last year. But that could be said of just about every large project in the country, from Narmada dam to POSCO to Kundankulam to whatever else you can think of.

Kick-backs are highly Sikular.

Pappu was just trying to collect some money for "Garibi Hatao-ing" vote-banks during elections.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:43 pm

truthbetold wrote:"Lanjigarh plant's bauxite capacity to 5 MTPA. In a world that produces 259 MTPA, I don't see how 5 MTPA would halve global aluminium prices."

That is why we need a full scale investigation to get the bottom of the issue. In good old days, one of the powerful news papers would have sent investigative journos. Now that breed is dead. So we need SC or HC, overstepping its jurisdiction, order an SIT to get fair investigation of such accusations.

Sure. Every time Tavleen Singh has lunch with some PR hack and comes out making allegations of malfeasance thereafter, the SC or HC should order an SIT to get to the bottom of the matter. The nation needs to know the Truth, etc.

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