Making Rick Perry look like a liberal

by charvaka Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:57 pm

The highlight of the GOP debate tonight for me was the way everybody pounced on Rick Perry on immigration and the HPV vaccine. This was a topic on which Perry looked a little to the left of Romney and Huntsman. And Perry got booed by the audience, while Michele Bachmann got a lot of loud cheers.

"A government injection into the bodies of innocent little girls" -- Bachmann is just plain crazy!

by Guest Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:06 pm

Perry Vs Romney. Who's your pick? Leave Buchmann aside. She doesn't have a chance.

I don't think I'll vote for Obama in the next elections.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:07 pm

haha..pity i missed the circus

by charvaka Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:00 pm

Circus is what it is now. Kinnera, I think Romney is the saner one of the lot.

by Kris Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:59 am

kinnera wrote:Perry Vs Romney. Who's your pick? Leave Buchmann aside. She doesn't have a chance.

I don't think I'll vote for Obama in the next elections.

>>>> I don't think I will vote. Period.

by Impedimenta Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:14 am

charvaka wrote:Circus is what it is now. Kinnera, I think Romney is the saner one of the lot.

actually, once again, ron paul made the most sense in the other debate. but of course, he is "out there". romney is da man but perry is prolly going to win the nomination[stealing the lower/middle class christian conservative votes from romney] although romney is supposedly "running" a much better campaign this time around. michele bachmann is S.C.A.R.Y. that is all. she is the circus ringmaster taken over from palin.

yes, i am not going to vote unless by some freak chance romney gets the nomination. so, you think it is term two time for mr obama?

by truthbetold Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:58 pm

Some of you seem to be thinking of abandoning Obama.

I am not a great fan of Obama and have been critical of him over the past three years on specific issues. But 2012 could be a crucial year and here is my reasoning to vote for him.

(1) Obama's concept of Job stimulus now and debt reduction in later years is a better solution for current economic mess.

(2) Obama's mistake of pushing healthcare in 2009 instead of jobs (and Jobs, and Jobs.... and Jobs) is a crime of passion and not of evil intent.

(3) Obama is far ahead of the republican pack in terms of international affairs.

(4) Obama is much more balanced (even though somewhat timid) person than republican perry, bachman, ron paul and liar romney.

John McCain was far better person any of the present group of republicans.

Republican candidate policies will redistribute whatever little money that middle class has today to really rich class.

by confuzzled dude Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:38 pm

truthbetold wrote:Some of you seem to be thinking of abandoning Obama.

I am not a great fan of Obama and have been critical of him over the past three years on specific issues. But 2012 could be a crucial year and here is my reasoning to vote for him.

(1) Obama's concept of Job stimulus now and debt reduction in later years is a better solution for current economic mess.

(2) Obama's mistake of pushing healthcare in 2009 instead of jobs (and Jobs, and Jobs.... and Jobs) is a crime of passion and not of evil intent.

(3) Obama is far ahead of the republican pack in terms of international affairs.

(4) Obama is much more balanced (even though somewhat timid) person than republican perry, bachman, ron paul and liar romney.

John McCain was far better person any of the present group of republicans.

Republican candidate policies will redistribute whatever little money that middle class has today to really rich class.

It all depends on whether or not Job stimulus bill comes to fruition. I agree with point 2.

by Impedimenta Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:38 am

truthbetold wrote:Some of you seem to be thinking of abandoning Obama.

I am not a great fan of Obama and have been critical of him over the past three years on specific issues. But 2012 could be a crucial year and here is my reasoning to vote for him.

(1) Obama's concept of Job stimulus now and debt reduction in later years is a better solution for current economic mess.

(2) Obama's mistake of pushing healthcare in 2009 instead of jobs (and Jobs, and Jobs.... and Jobs) is a crime of passion and not of evil intent.

(3) Obama is far ahead of the republican pack in terms of international affairs.

(4) Obama is much more balanced (even though somewhat timid) person than republican perry, bachman, ron paul and liar romney.

John McCain was far better person any of the present group of republicans.

Republican candidate policies will redistribute whatever little money that middle class has today to really rich class.

sir, can you please explain the "blanket statement in point no 3"? also, sir will your jewish brothers and sisters vote for him second term given his attitude towards israel? just asking....

by Hellsangel Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:07 pm

Impedimenta wrote:

sir, can you please explain the "blanket statement in point no 3"? also, sir will your jewish brothers and sisters vote for him second term given his attitude towards israel? just asking....

A good point - when you are in Brooklyn.

by charvaka Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:10 pm

truthbetold wrote:Some of you seem to be thinking of abandoning Obama.

I am not a great fan of Obama and have been critical of him over the past three years on specific issues. But 2012 could be a crucial year and here is my reasoning to vote for him.

(1) Obama's concept of Job stimulus now and debt reduction in later years is a better solution for current economic mess.

(2) Obama's mistake of pushing healthcare in 2009 instead of jobs (and Jobs, and Jobs.... and Jobs) is a crime of passion and not of evil intent.

(3) Obama is far ahead of the republican pack in terms of international affairs.

(4) Obama is much more balanced (even though somewhat timid) person than republican perry, bachman, ron paul and liar romney.

John McCain was far better person any of the present group of republicans.

Republican candidate policies will redistribute whatever little money that middle class has today to really rich class.

Well said.

The GOP made a big deal about Obama's comment to Joe the not-Plumber about redistribution of wealth. But in a public debate, the GOP candidates get loud cheers for doing these things:
(a) support corporate welfare for oil companies, and
(b) call Social Security a Ponzi scheme.

All this, while letting the guy without health insurance die.

In other words, the GOP is all for redistribution of wealth. But only from the poor to the rich. If the redistribution happens from the rich to the poor, it is socialism. But if the rich take money from the poor, that's capitalism and A-OK.

by truthbetold Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:48 pm

Impedimenta wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Some of you seem to be thinking of abandoning Obama.

I am not a great fan of Obama and have been critical of him over the past three years on specific issues. But 2012 could be a crucial year and here is my reasoning to vote for him.

(1) Obama's concept of Job stimulus now and debt reduction in later years is a better solution for current economic mess.

(2) Obama's mistake of pushing healthcare in 2009 instead of jobs (and Jobs, and Jobs.... and Jobs) is a crime of passion and not of evil intent.

(3) Obama is far ahead of the republican pack in terms of international affairs.

(4) Obama is much more balanced (even though somewhat timid) person than republican perry, bachman, ron paul and liar romney.

John McCain was far better person any of the present group of republicans.

Republican candidate policies will redistribute whatever little money that middle class has today to really rich class.

sir, can you please explain the "blanket statement in point no 3"? also, sir will your jewish brothers and sisters vote for him second term given his attitude towards israel? just asking....

Madame Impy,

with your permission I submit the following for your kind consideration. All republican candidates including erstwhile front runner Romney said US should stay away from Libya. Obama found a way to keep American forces out of the harm's way but provided the necessary firepower to reduce Gaddafi to ineffectiveness. It took little bit of time. Repubs even threatened to cutoff finances to the war through house action. After Gaddafi was sent wandering around desert sands, who congratulated Obama? Romney. I could submit more examples but your honor is so supremely intelligent, you do not need more than one example.

Israel - Obama has an ineffective but principled approach. As your highness noted, he will lose some jewish vote. However, Brooklyn loss could easily be covered by Harlem vote. If repubs even come close in NY, Dems can kiss good bye to winning any state in the country. However, you may be pleased to note that jewish vote could embarrass Obama in traditionally dem state of Connecticut.

In Aprill 2011, I would have said Obama has a 60% plus chance of winning. Now that the economy is hitting skids again, I find it hard to put his chances above 40%. I still consider Repub presidential candidate pool to be too far to the right and opportunist demagogues. Ron Paul is the only guy who stood by his libertarian views steady fastly over several decades. Like him or not, he is consistent and some times sensible.

With your permission, I complete my submission.

by confuzzled dude Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:18 pm

truthbetold wrote:

All republican candidates including erstwhile front runner Romney said US should stay away from Libya. Obama found a way to keep American forces out of the harm's way but provided the necessary firepower to reduce Gaddafi to ineffectiveness. It took little bit of time. Repubs even threatened to cutoff finances to the war through house action. After Gaddafi was sent wandering around desert sands, who congratulated Obama? Romney.

I don't know one can call it a success, only time will tell. I've always been leery of this move and saw it as a repeat of '70s, supporting Mujahideens in Afghanistan.

by truthbetold Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:33 pm

People's movements are not corporate affairs. They are not likely to be clean left or right parties. In any Arab nation all politics are couched in religious flavor. early upraising in closed brutal dictatorships is even more unpredictable.

History gives you moments. A good leader sees an opportunity for change. After the initial upheveal, stakeholders need to work to establish democratic institutions and leaders. An average country may take 30 to 40 years of minimal democracy to reach some level of democratic stability.

Syria will also fall with in months or 1 or two years.

by charvaka Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:20 pm

truthbetold wrote:All republican candidates including erstwhile front runner Romney said US should stay away from Libya. Obama found a way to keep American forces out of the harm's way but provided the necessary firepower to reduce Gaddafi to ineffectiveness. It took little bit of time. Repubs even threatened to cutoff finances to the war through house action. After Gaddafi was sent wandering around desert sands, who congratulated Obama? Romney.

In a truly Onionish move, once the Gaddafi regime crumbled, Romney also said he would have acted sooner than Obama did, had he been president. Romney would have acted (after the regime fell), and he also would not have acted (before it fell.)

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