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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:35 pm


...We'll worry about Kashmir, you worry about YOUR ISIS: BJP's Ram Madhav tells Al Jazeera journalist Mehdi Hasan

If the ISIS claims to be the prepresntatives of the muslims, whose protest against ISIS atrocities - are mere lip service, then Ram Madhav clubbing Hasan with ISIS is not far-fetched. All their protests against ISIS atrocities dont compare with the Muslim protest against quron burning - at best 1/100th.

If Al-Jazzera stands for "freedom of speech" then Ram Madhav has every right to his own freedom of speech. So what is the biggie in this ?

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:28 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
...We'll worry about Kashmir, you worry about YOUR ISIS: BJP's Ram Madhav tells Al Jazeera journalist Mehdi Hasan

If the ISIS claims to be the prepresntatives of the muslims, whose protest against ISIS atrocities - are mere lip service, then Ram Madhav clubbing Hasan with ISIS is not far-fetched.  All their protests against ISIS atrocities dont compare with  the Muslim protest against quron burning - at best 1/100th.



Haha..this inept and arrogant loudmouth is the BJP's chosen spokesperson?? He talks like Appu from the Simpsons. Talk about a talent deficit!

He must have imagined that his nightly shouting matches on Indian talk-shows qualify him to face a seasoned international interviewer.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:If Al-Jazzera stands for "freedom of speech" then Ram Madhav has every right to his own freedom of speech. So what is the biggie in this ?

Aunty, nobody deprived him of his freedom of speech. In fact, he got a megaphone to shout out to the world how ill-equipped he is to deal with the challenge of defending this government and his party.
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Post by Hellsangel Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:26 am

Wasn't Nirmala Seetharaman the spokesperson? This guy will provide more ways for the RSS to shoot itself in the foot.
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:04 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Wasn't Nirmala Seetharaman the spokesperson? This guy will provide more ways for the RSS to shoot itself in the foot.

Also, the media is a little uncomfortable when questioning women. Ram Madhav - think he is an engineer - talks a bit too much and too self-conscious about his "importance" Engineers dont make good diplomats - they are a bit too honest and blunt. Jairam Ramesh, Parrikar, and even Rajan are examples of that.

He could have simply told Hasan that it is a question that he should ask the funders of ISIS and the OIC - which pretty much means the same thing that he asked.

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Post by southindian Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:28 pm

If RSS feels that India, Pakistan, Bangladesh can become one through dialogue then what's wrong in that? He quoted Germany, Vietnam. 

I don't get why Kerala Loin is upset?

** Knowing fully well Pakis and common religion of Pakis, Bangladeshis, Ram Madhav's comments had me in splits Smile. These Hindus are too naive. **
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:06 pm

southindian wrote:If RSS feels that India, Pakistan, Bangladesh can become one through dialogue then what's wrong in that? He quoted Germany, Vietnam. 

I don't get why Kerala Loin is upset?

** Knowing fully well Pakis and common religion of Pakis, Bangladeshis, Ram Madhav's comments had me in splits Smile. These Hindus are too naive. **

There are no lions in Kerala. Only Gujrat has some and they are moving some of them to MP. The most common animals in Kerala are street dogs and pigs that dwell in mud pits.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:02 pm

Ram Madhav didn't say anything that is objectionable. It so happens that Sikularists don't like him because he is from RSS. I thought Natasha Kaul (in the debate) suffers from capture-bonding (Stockholm syndrome). She is simular to Rashmun (Aurangajeb was a good guy because he worshipped Kafir lingams and Modi is bad for no reason).

Compared to the posts of Merlot, Rashmun and CD, Madhav's utterances are not bad. :-).

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:02 am



I just noticed I had typed Ram YADAV in the header. Madhav ji would kill me if he read this.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:20 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Ram Madhav didn't say anything that is objectionable. It so happens that Sikularists don't like him because he is from RSS. I thought Natasha Kaul (in the debate) suffers from capture-bonding (Stockholm syndrome). She is simular to Rashmun (Aurangajeb was a good guy because he worshipped Kafir lingams and Modi is bad for no reason).

Compared to the posts of Merlot, Rashmun and CD, Madhav's utterances are not bad. :-).

C'mon Unkil, you're just defending him because he's a chaddi from AP.

Actually the "your ISIS" bit was just some drama by the interviewer. The bigger scandal was his pathetic performance overall.

He came out looking silly and inappropriate so many times, I lost count - on the matter of using taxpayer money to distribute free Bhagavad Geetas and other religious texts, on Golwalkar's statement that India's three threats are Muslims, Christians and Communists, his inability to list any action taken against party leaders who made outrageous statements, on his reiteration that a minority can only survive at the goodwill of the majority, on his insistence that there is one single Hindu culture and Taj Mahal is also Hindu culture, on his refusal to acknowledge there is any problem in Kashmir, on how 96% of citizens' complaints against the army being dismissed as flimsy, on how anyone who returned their awards was defaming the country etc.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:55 am

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Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Ram Madhav didn't say anything that is objectionable. It so happens that Sikularists don't like him because he is from RSS. I thought Natasha Kaul (in the debate) suffers from capture-bonding (Stockholm syndrome). She is simular to Rashmun (Aurangajeb was a good guy because he worshipped Kafir lingams and Modi is bad for no reason).

Compared to the posts of Merlot, Rashmun and CD, Madhav's utterances are not bad. :-).

C'mon Unkil, you're just defending him because he's a chaddi from AP.

Actually the "your ISIS" bit was just some drama by the interviewer. The bigger scandal was his pathetic performance overall.

He came out looking silly and inappropriate so many times, I lost count - on the matter of using taxpayer money to distribute free Bhagavad Geetas and other religious texts, on Golwalkar's statement that India's three threats are Muslims, Christians and Communists, his inability to list any action taken against party leaders who made outrageous statements, on his reiteration that a minority can only survive at the goodwill of the majority, on his insistence that there is one single Hindu culture and Taj Mahal is also Hindu culture, on his refusal to acknowledge there is any problem in Kashmir, on how 96% of citizens' complaints against the army being dismissed as flimsy, on how anyone who returned their awards was defaming the country etc.

I already wrote that Madhav became a general secretary rather quickly and he seems to think he is smart. But, the Akhand Bharat utterance is rather innocuous that is blown out of proportion. In fact, BJP will gain nothing if India, PakiSatan and Bangladesh come together. CONmen should be happy if that happens as they don't need to build illegal vote-banks in WB, Assam, etc. Re: Tajmahal, he tried to explain what RSS's view is on Hindutva. I don't agree with that view. Advani used to explain along those lines in the past. The Paki guy in the audience was giggling when he said that occupied Kashmir is in India and that PoK is actually azad K. I am surprised that you don't object to his views.

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Post by truthbetold Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:28 am

VP,

Congress would not be happy with akhand bharat for a good reason. Why does anybody need a middleman when the religious numbers change dramatically?
Congress will be irrelevant in such a situation.

Akhand bharat would have about 390 "hindu" majority (MP) constituencies and about 260 muslim majority (MP) constituencies. Guess who would be calling shots on different sides of this political equation. Pseudo secularists would not be pandering anymore, they would be slaves to Hafiz Saeed from pak, some nut in b'desh and Owasi from Hyd, India. But this is all academic as akhand bharat would have crushed democratic system long ago.

Ram Madhav and RSS should shut the f'up and thank their good fortune for the historical blunder of partition and move on.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:31 pm

truthbetold wrote:VP,

Congress would not be happy with akhand bharat for a good reason.  Why does anybody need a middleman when the religious numbers change dramatically?
Congress will be irrelevant in such a situation.

Akhand bharat would have about 390 "hindu" majority (MP) constituencies and about 260 muslim majority (MP) constituencies.  Guess who would be calling shots on different sides of this political equation. Pseudo secularists would not be pandering anymore, they would be slaves to Hafiz Saeed from pak, some nut in b'desh and Owasi from Hyd, India. But this is all academic as akhand bharat would have crushed democratic system long ago.

Ram Madhav and RSS should shut the f'up and thank their good fortune for the historical blunder of partition and move on.

Agree 100%. The 400 millions muslims + 150 million hindu traitors cant be handled by Knickerwalas and their Dandas. RSS Think tank should start thinking.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:14 am

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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
...We'll worry about Kashmir, you worry about YOUR ISIS: BJP's Ram Madhav tells Al Jazeera journalist Mehdi Hasan

If the ISIS claims to be the prepresntatives of the muslims, whose protest against ISIS atrocities - are mere lip service, then Ram Madhav clubbing Hasan with ISIS is not far-fetched.  All their protests against ISIS atrocities dont compare with  the Muslim protest against quron burning - at best 1/100th.



Haha..this inept and arrogant loudmouth is the BJP's chosen spokesperson?? He talks like Appu from the Simpsons. Talk about a talent deficit!

He must have imagined that his nightly shouting matches on Indian talk-shows qualify him to face a seasoned international interviewer.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:If Al-Jazzera stands for "freedom of speech" then Ram Madhav has every right to his own freedom of speech. So what is the biggie in this ?

Aunty, nobody deprived him of his freedom of speech. In fact, he got a megaphone to shout out to the world how ill-equipped he is to deal with the challenge of defending this government and his party.

Here is some excellent advice for BJP spokespersons who intend to participate in such interviews in the future. Highlights:

The Article wrote:
6. International forums have audience members whose questions are better informed and smarter than many of our Indian prime-time star anchors. Do not let your Indian experiences be the reference points of what to expect overseas or the base line where you draw your practice runs from.

7. Don’t expect “unbiased” or “agenda-free” chats. ....Don’t go to a gunfight armed with a garland expecting the same at the other end (unless you have fixed it already).

9. Don’t defend the indefensible. I have read Golwalkar’s A Bunch of Thoughts (even interviewed Madhav about it) ... ...A Bunch of Thoughts has some pretty bigoted crap, which cannot be defended, so why try? Set it aside with something like things-from-the-India-of-the-early-1900s-does-not-hold-true-for-India-of-now. That’s true for literature and even for science across nations. Even if you value Golwalkar’s spirit and what he stood for (which according to me is hard), you don’t have to defend his every word. He’s not Modi.

11. Don’t attack the interviewer after an interview (or encourage your supporters to). Nothing makes you look more loser-like than that. Discrediting an interviewer or journalist who you think is compromised is okay, but to do that in response to a battering on his platform is more loser-like than saying the umpire cheated because you lost. No one buys it (except the extreme fringe loyal to you, which is not the target group for you in any interview) and it is not relevant to the immediate.
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