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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:15 pm



....Great..... now the cuties will be back to wearing HALF-Sarees and sarees.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:37 am

Yeah, but the usual guys in the bus will still be going to temples (look at the guy next to the girls).

Seriously, the dress code is a good idea. Hopefully, AP will do the same.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:04 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Yeah, but the usual guys in the bus will still be going to temples (look at the guy next to the girls).

Seriously, the dress code is a good idea. Hopefully, AP will do the same.

Actually Churidhars should also be banned as they are iSlamic dress... created by Akbar or Shah Jehan so that his daughter could learn horse riding. Sikhs/Punjus picked it up as part of linking hinduism and iSlam.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:35 am

i understand the objection to shorts, but what do they have against jeans? if dress pants are allowed, why not jeans?
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:01 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i understand the objection to shorts, but what do they have against jeans? if dress pants are allowed, why not jeans?

it is about any dress hugging tight revealing the shapes. Jeans is one such dress. I usually joke with the guys that all girls should wear jeans so that we know exactly where all they are bulging out. Women can deftly cover up their fatty bulges with their sarees whereas jeans - and that too tight ones will reveal the curves.

Check it out next time you are out shopping.

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Post by southindian Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:20 pm

My work place has dress code. What's wrong with temples having one.

Don't come if you are not dressed appropriately. My work place says so. Temples can say too.
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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:40 pm

Alright! Hinduism has come a long-way, from having erotic carvings/sculptures displayed on temple walls to this, a sign of progressiveness, I guess.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:50 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Alright! Hinduism has come a long-way, from having erotic carvings/sculptures displayed on temple walls to this, a sign of progressiveness, I guess.

Blame it on your iSlam and their Burkha culture. Hinduism is just reacting. Remove the stinking "Source" of the problem and the world will have very little problem.

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Post by truthbetold Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:43 pm

Churches have dress code in practice. It is based in culture.

Temples should derive their dress code from congregation behaviour. I am not comfortable with a court prescribing a state wide dress code. This particular judge did not do anything particularly out of normal.

In India, civil society and political establishment abdicate their responsibility to develop cultural and legal norms. This forces courts to step in areas beyond its jurisdiction. Sometimes this can lead to unwanted consequences.


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Post by Seva Lamberdar Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:04 pm

Dress code in temples is a tricky thing, considering many men in the temples, especially the pujaries / priests, don't wear anything above their waists. What if the women say that they want to do the same (go topless in temples) under the equality of dress for men and women?
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:13 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Dress code in temples is a tricky thing, considering many men in the temples, especially the pujaries / priests, don't wear anything above their waists. What if the women say that they want to do the same (go topless in temples) under the equality of dress for men and women?

Believe me....no one - repeat no one - will protest...Wink


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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:36 pm

truthbetold wrote:Churches have dress code in practice. It is based in culture.

Temples should derive their dress code from congregation behaviour. I am not comfortable with a court prescribing a state wide dress code. This particular judge did not do anything particularly out of normal.

In India,  civil society and political establishment abdicate their responsibility to develop cultural and legal norms. This forces courts to step in areas beyond its jurisdiction. Sometimes this can lead to unwanted consequences.


In TN, Hindu temples are administered by the state govt. That comes with many benefits including funds for upkeep of the premises, but also has downsides, one of which is lconceding temple governance to the state govt, rather than a public trust.
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Post by confuzzled dude Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:45 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Alright! Hinduism has come a long-way, from having erotic carvings/sculptures displayed on temple walls to this, a sign of progressiveness, I guess.

Blame it on your iSlam and their Burkha culture. Hinduism is just reacting. Remove the stinking "Source" of the problem and the world will have very little problem.
It is not my fault (or Islam's) fault that a bunch of [Hindu] fools pander to Islam and want Hinduism to turn into a variant of Islam.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:01 pm

Good and bad things cannot be entirely separated. Just like Good things of Hinduism is preventing the Indian iSlamists from joining ISIS in droves, bad things of iSlam seeps into hindus forcing them to adapt some bad things of iSlam as a reactionary effect.

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Post by truthbetold Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:57 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Churches have dress code in practice. It is based in culture.

Temples should derive their dress code from congregation behaviour. I am not comfortable with a court prescribing a state wide dress code. This particular judge did not do anything particularly out of normal.

In India,  civil society and political establishment abdicate their responsibility to develop cultural and legal norms. This forces courts to step in areas beyond its jurisdiction. Sometimes this can lead to unwanted consequences.


In TN, Hindu temples are administered by the state govt. That comes with many benefits including funds for upkeep of the premises, but also has downsides, one of which is lconceding temple governance to the state govt, rather than a public trust.

In AP , endowment dept looks after hindu temples through a govt appointed trustee board. So essentially it is the same in most states. In AP, most major temples are economically self sufficient and they can help other temples.

Govt oversight was probably needed in 1950 for opening the temples to wider public. Trustees of that era short on public trust and India had to deal with the problem of temple entry to untouchables. Congress govts (over past 60 years) propensity to use temple trusteeship as rewards for political cronies reduced temples to govt depts with institutional corruption.

The temple entry issue (harijan entry) is resolved (except for few isolated temples ). Most major temples are financially well supported by devotees. However, trustee mechanism lacks public trust. A democratic trustee system should be developed with active participation of devotees.If such a democratic system makes decisions on dress code and temple fund investment, public will support the system.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:07 am

truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Churches have dress code in practice. It is based in culture.

Temples should derive their dress code from congregation behaviour. I am not comfortable with a court prescribing a state wide dress code. This particular judge did not do anything particularly out of normal.

In India,  civil society and political establishment abdicate their responsibility to develop cultural and legal norms. This forces courts to step in areas beyond its jurisdiction. Sometimes this can lead to unwanted consequences.


In TN, Hindu temples are administered by the state govt. That comes with many benefits including funds for upkeep of the premises, but also has downsides, one of which is lconceding temple governance to the state govt, rather than a public trust.

In AP , endowment dept looks after hindu temples through a govt appointed trustee board.  So essentially it is the same in most states.  In AP, most major temples are economically self sufficient and they can help other temples.

Govt oversight was probably needed in 1950 for opening the temples to wider public. Trustees of that era short on public trust and India had to deal with the problem of temple entry to untouchables.  Congress govts (over past 60 years) propensity to use temple trusteeship as rewards for political cronies reduced temples to govt depts with institutional corruption.

The temple entry issue (harijan entry) is resolved (except for few isolated temples ).  Most major temples are financially well supported by devotees.  However, trustee mechanism lacks public trust.  A democratic trustee system should be developed with active participation of devotees.If such a democratic system makes decisions on dress code and temple fund investment,  public will support the system.
*ahem*

Chairman of the Board Chadalavada Krishnamurthy is a former TDP MLA from Tirupati, while several board members, including Kolla Lalitha Kumari, Pilli Ananta Lakshmi from Andhra Pradesh and Sandra Venkata Veeraiah as well as G Sayanna from Telangana happen to be members of the ruling TDP.

Among others, K Raghavendra Rao is a veteran Telugu movie director who made several devotional films.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/ap-govt-appoints-tirumala-tirupati-devasthanam-board-115042701123_1.html

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:22 am

A couple of samples of devotional movies made by K. Raghavendra Rao



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Post by truthbetold Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:23 am


CD,

Unlike Islam, Srigaram is considered a normal human emotion in Indian culture(unlike desert cultures). How does that disqualify a person from Temple trust?

It should also be noted that you failed to mention that K. Raghavendra Rao made widely acclaimed movies about singer/composer/devotee of lord Vishnu - Annamayya (closely tied to Tirupati temple) and Ramadasu.


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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:37 am

truthbetold wrote:
CD,

Unlike Islam, Srigaram is considered a normal human emotion in Indian culture(unlike desert cultures). How does that disqualify a person from Temple trust?

It should also be noted that you failed to mention that K. Raghavendra Rao made widely acclaimed movies about singer/composer/devotee of lord Vishnu - Annamayya (closely tied to Tirupati temple) and Ramadasu.

Haha! Changing tunes when TDP govt's biases in appointing TTD board are exposed?

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Post by truthbetold Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:45 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
CD,

Unlike Islam, Srigaram is considered a normal human emotion in Indian culture(unlike desert cultures). How does that disqualify a person from Temple trust?

It should also be noted that you failed to mention that K. Raghavendra Rao made widely acclaimed movies about singer/composer/devotee of lord Vishnu - Annamayya (closely tied to Tirupati temple) and Ramadasu.

Haha! Changing tunes when TDP govt's biases in appointing TTD board are exposed?

CD,

I am responding to your reasoning of a particular person.

My point was Congress created and fostered a corrupt culture. It will take decades to change from that culture.

As a matter of principle, I oppose state govt interference in religious affairs. However, alternate management of temples is not an easy task as any new structure will create new exploiters of devotee/temple wealth.

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