Diggy Raja is bewakoof, badtameez, and a rakshasaputra: Baba Ramdev

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:26 pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ramdev-calls-Digvijaya-bewakoof-badtameez/articleshow/10614768.cms

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:14 pm

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/digvijay-slams-ramdev-for-calling-him-monster-son_740071.html

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:40 pm

This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

by chameli Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:31 pm

kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

Kinns ,

As u know the word Yog (a) in Sanskrit means yoke ...to join ...it comes from the root word 'yuj '

So to say Yog is correct ..Yoga maybe the western version

Yog also means 'chance /luck '

Baba Ramdev will not make such an easy mistake

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:40 pm

kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:53 pm

chameli wrote:
kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

Kinns ,

As u know the word Yog (a) in Sanskrit means yoke ...to join ...it comes from the root word 'yuj '

So to say Yog is correct ..Yoga maybe the western version

Yog also means 'chance /luck '

Baba Ramdev will not make such an easy mistake

Yoga is not a western version. Anything that facilitates the union of the Self with the Absolute is called yoga. There's Bhakti yoga, Karma yoga, jnana yoga, etc, not bhakti yog, Karma yog, jnana yog, etc. The names of each chapter in The Gita have 'yoga' as its suffix, indicating that it's abt the ultimate goal of reaching the Higher. They are not suffixed as 'yog'. Yoga is the term used for many centuries. No westerner did that. Samskrta is unadulterated in the south. Chopping off the last vowel is pretty common in the persian influenced hindi. That's what seems to have happened with Yoga. Ramdev (Ramadevah-correct samskruta word) should have been more careful as he's the master of Yogasanas.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:02 pm

kinnera wrote:
chameli wrote:
kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

Kinns ,

As u know the word Yog (a) in Sanskrit means yoke ...to join ...it comes from the root word 'yuj '

So to say Yog is correct ..Yoga maybe the western version

Yog also means 'chance /luck '

Baba Ramdev will not make such an easy mistake

Yoga is not a western version. Anything that facilitates the union of the Self with the Absolute is called yoga. There's Bhakti yoga, Karma yoga, jnana yoga, etc, not bhakti yog, Karma yog, jnana yog, etc. The names of each chapter in The Gita have 'yoga' as its suffix, indicating that it's abt the ultimate goal of reaching the Higher. They are not suffixed as 'yog'. Yoga is the term used for many centuries. No westerner did that. Samskrta is unadulterated in the south. Chopping off the last vowel is pretty common in the persian influenced hindi. That's what seems to have happened with Yoga. Ramdev (Ramadevah-correct samskruta word) should have been more careful as he's the master of Yogasanas.

i have heard many south indians complaining about this chopping off of the last 'a' sound in words in hindi. this, btw, is the only fundamental difference between hindi and sanskrit.

now personally i think the chopping off of the 'a' sound makes for a more precise language. for instance, one can differentiate between the words 'Ram' (which is the name for a god and also a common male name) and 'Rama' (pronounced 'Ramaa' ) which is a not so common female name.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:05 pm

seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Aditya and Soorya are fine. It's not Kannad, for heaven's sake, it's Kannada. You may call it Kannad when speaking in hindi, but when talking in a different language, use the correct pronunciation pls. Don't argue that Kannad is correct. In telugu, it is called Kannadamu. But when using it in a different language, we use the original word/pronunciation, not the telugu way of saying it. For eg: I say, "I know a little bit of Kannada", not "I know a little bit of Kannadamu".

Another ex: Rama (Ramah) is the original Samkrta pronunciation. But it is pronounced as Ram in hindi, Ramudu in telugu and Raman in tamil. It would be stupid to argue that one's mother tongue version is the correct one.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:10 pm

kinnera wrote:
seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Aditya and Soorya are fine. It's not Kannad, for heaven's sake, it's Kannada. You may call it Kannad when speaking in hindi, but when talking in a different language, use the correct pronunciation pls. Don't argue that Kannad is correct. In telugu, it is called Kannadamu. For tamil, it is tamilamu, etc. But when using it in a different language, we use the original word/pronunciation, not the telugu way of saying it. For eg: I say, "I know a little bit of Kannada", not "I know a little bit of Kannadamu".

Another ex: Rama (Ramah) is the original Samkrta pronunciation. But it is pronounced as Ram in hindi, Ramudu in telugu and Raman in tamil. It would be stupid to argue that one's mother tongue version is the correct one.

the sound of the sanskrit Rama/Ramah is too close to the sound of the word Rama (pronounced Ramaa) which is a not so common name for females in India; so it is better to call him Ram (Raam) to avoid confusion.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:14 pm

Rashmun wrote:
now personally i think the chopping off of the 'a' sound makes for a more precise language. for instance, one can differentiate between the words 'Ram' (which is the name for a god and also a common male name) and 'Rama' (pronounced 'Ramaa' ) which is a not so common female name.

you are confused about the confusion. the confusion arises only when you write the names in roman alphabet. in indian languages there is no confusion.

the male name (rAmA) written in tamil is: ராமா
the female name (ramA): ரமா

in devnagiri:

rAmA: रामा
ramA: रमा

even in the roman alphabet, by adopting the kind of capitalization scheme i employ, it is possible to minimize the mixup.
also, the cutting off of the vowel is not only unaesthetic, but as kinnerA points out, distorts the original sanskritic intent.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:17 pm

i contend that neglecting the vowel is possibly a persian/urdu influence on northindian hindus.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:19 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
now personally i think the chopping off of the 'a' sound makes for a more precise language. for instance, one can differentiate between the words 'Ram' (which is the name for a god and also a common male name) and 'Rama' (pronounced 'Ramaa' ) which is a not so common female name.

you are confused about the confusion. the confusion arises only when you write the names in roman alphabet. in indian languages there is no confusion.

the male name (rAmA) written in tamil is: ராமா
the female name (ramA): ரமா

in devnagiri:

rAmA: रामा
ramA: रमा

even in the roman alphabet, by adopting the kind of capitalization scheme i employ, it is possible to minimize the mixup.
also, the cutting off of the vowel is not only unaesthetic, but as kinnerA points out, distorts the original sanskritic intent.

Exactly, Max!

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:22 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
now personally i think the chopping off of the 'a' sound makes for a more precise language. for instance, one can differentiate between the words 'Ram' (which is the name for a god and also a common male name) and 'Rama' (pronounced 'Ramaa' ) which is a not so common female name.

you are confused about the confusion. the confusion arises only when you write the names in roman alphabet. in indian languages there is no confusion.

the male name (rAmA) written in tamil is: ராமா
the female name (ramA): ரமா

in devnagiri:

rAmA: रामा
ramA: रमा

even in the roman alphabet, by adopting the kind of capitalization scheme i employ, it is possible to minimize the mixup.
also, the cutting off of the vowel is not only unaesthetic, but as kinnerA points out, distorts the original sanskritic intent.

even though the way 'Rama' (for the hindu god in sanskrit) and 'Rama' (a not so common female name) are written in a different way in devanagari the way they are pronounced are too similar. Moreover, since english is the language of the future, and since devanagari will undoubtedly continue to lose importance with the passage of time, the confusion will not only continue but will get enhanced if we insist on using 'Rama' for both the hindu god as well as for a not so common female name.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:25 pm

kinnera wrote:
seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Aditya and Soorya are fine. It's not Kannad, for heaven's sake, it's Kannada. You may call it Kannad when speaking in hindi, but when talking in a different language, use the correct pronunciation pls. Don't argue that Kannad is correct. In telugu, it is called Kannadamu. But when using it in a different language, we use the original word/pronunciation, not the telugu way of saying it. For eg: I say, "I know a little bit of Kannada", not "I know a little bit of Kannadamu".

Another ex: Rama (Ramah) is the original Samkrta pronunciation. But it is pronounced as Ram in hindi, Ramudu in telugu and Raman in tamil. It would be stupid to argue that one's mother tongue version is the correct one.

well everything I said was so in Hindi. Ramdev baba also talks in Hindi and therefore calls yoga, yog. When I said the language is pronounced as kannad and not kannada, I was only making my original point that it's not yoga but yog in hindi.
bcz ramdev baba talks in hindi, it's ok for him to call it yog. case closed.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:30 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i contend that neglecting the vowel is possibly a persian/urdu influence on northindian hindus.

you cannot pronounce a consonant without a vowel. you don't have to write the vowel every time after the consonant though. for example, if you say "Ra" the sound of A is present in R.

When you say Ram, the vowel a is not ignored, it's just in the consonant M.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:23 pm

i have no idea what you mean shaven. are you saying that there is no material difference in the sounds produced when you say rAm and rAmA? that is only likely if you are a deaf person.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:03 pm

ofcoz not! that's not what i meant. leme try one more time.
let's take the words rAm and rAmA,

i was responding to your post that ignoring vowel is some persian influence on NI hindus. ( well just so u know NI muslims also pronounce Karm, Ramayan and Ram without the aa sound in the end :p)

I was saying that to pronounce a vyanjan (consonants) we need vowels. Otherwise it will have to be a half letter with a halant.
for example Ka (not kaa,just ka) ( as in ka,kha,ga etc.) is only half Ka in the word Kya (with halant) but to pronounce ka, kha, ga ..we need vowel,a ( pronounced as uh) and even though the vowels are present in the pronunciation of consonants, we dont have to write the vowels ever time we use consonants. for example in the word rAm, the last M also has 'a' in it but still not ramAA but simply rAm.

maybe i am not very clear if you read it once, but if you read it 2-3 times, i'm sure you will see my point.
NIs dont neglect vowels. if anything we dont over-use them.

PS: don't call me shaven.

by chameli Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:28 pm

kinns,

thats why i said "maybe a western version " maybe

even if in English it is written as Bhakti yoga , karma yoga, Rama Ravana

It is still spoken of and read as as bhakti yog karma yog, Ram and Ravan

These events took place in that part of India where they pronounced it as such ...still do

who are we to contest it ?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:32 pm

chameli wrote:kinns,

thats why i said "maybe a western version " maybe

even if in English it is written as Bhakti yoga , karma yoga, Rama Ravana

It is still spoken of and read as as bhakti yog karma yog, Ram and Ravan

These events took place in that part of India where they pronounced it as such ...still do

who are we to contest it ?

these are sanskritic words that morphed in many different ways in other indian languages. my contention is that contemporary southern indian languages more faithfully reproduce the original sanskritic intent than northindian languages.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:03 pm

seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:
seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Aditya and Soorya are fine. It's not Kannad, for heaven's sake, it's Kannada. You may call it Kannad when speaking in hindi, but when talking in a different language, use the correct pronunciation pls. Don't argue that Kannad is correct. In telugu, it is called Kannadamu. But when using it in a different language, we use the original word/pronunciation, not the telugu way of saying it. For eg: I say, "I know a little bit of Kannada", not "I know a little bit of Kannadamu".

Another ex: Rama (Ramah) is the original Samkrta pronunciation. But it is pronounced as Ram in hindi, Ramudu in telugu and Raman in tamil. It would be stupid to argue that one's mother tongue version is the correct one.

well everything I said was so in Hindi. Ramdev baba also talks in Hindi and therefore calls yoga, yog. When I said the language is pronounced as kannad and not kannada, I was only making my original point that it's not yoga but yog in hindi.
bcz ramdev baba talks in hindi, it's ok for him to call it yog. case closed.

Yeah...case closed if there's an understanding with y'all that it is a hindi thingie, that Yog is the hindi pronunciation of the original Sanskrit word, yoga. No more contentions.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:10 pm

chameli wrote:kinns,

thats why i said "maybe a western version " maybe

even if in English it is written as Bhakti yoga , karma yoga, Rama Ravana

It is still spoken of and read as as bhakti yog karma yog, Ram and Ravan

These events took place in that part of India where they pronounced it as such ...still do

who are we to contest it ?

Chammo,

Bhakti yoga, Karma yoga, etc is correct and is close to the original Samskrt pronunciation. It is read as such in South India. We don't say Karma Yog. We say Karma Yoga. It's probably not even pronounced as Karma Yog in the north. Maybe it's Karam yog and that's ok too as long as there is an understanding that it is the hindi version of saying the sanskrit original word, Karma Yoga.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:18 pm

kinnera wrote:
seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:
seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:This Ramdev fella has made enough fool of himself. He's trying hard to reiterate that position. Of course, Diggy is another evil moron. No use wasting time on either of them.

PS: Can someone pls tell Ramdevji that it's not 'Yog", but 'Yoga'. It's irritating to see him and his organisation use the term 'Yog' for yoga.

well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Aditya and Soorya are fine. It's not Kannad, for heaven's sake, it's Kannada. You may call it Kannad when speaking in hindi, but when talking in a different language, use the correct pronunciation pls. Don't argue that Kannad is correct. In telugu, it is called Kannadamu. But when using it in a different language, we use the original word/pronunciation, not the telugu way of saying it. For eg: I say, "I know a little bit of Kannada", not "I know a little bit of Kannadamu".

Another ex: Rama (Ramah) is the original Samkrta pronunciation. But it is pronounced as Ram in hindi, Ramudu in telugu and Raman in tamil. It would be stupid to argue that one's mother tongue version is the correct one.

well everything I said was so in Hindi. Ramdev baba also talks in Hindi and therefore calls yoga, yog. When I said the language is pronounced as kannad and not kannada, I was only making my original point that it's not yoga but yog in hindi.
bcz ramdev baba talks in hindi, it's ok for him to call it yog. case closed.

Yeah...case closed if there's an understanding with y'all that it is a hindi thingie, that Yog is the hindi pronunciation of the original Sanskrit word, yoga. No more contentions.

kinnu dont get so sarcastic! ramdev baba wasn't talking in sanskrit and i didnt say yog is the only right way of pronouncing it. all i said was in hindi that is how the word is pronounced so babaji is right whn he calls it yog.

type YOGA in the box here and see for yourself what I meant.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:53 pm

seven wrote: kinnu dont get so sarcastic! ramdev baba wasn't talking in sanskrit and i didnt say yog is the only right way of pronouncing it. all i said was in hindi that is how the word is pronounced so babaji is right whn he calls it yog.

type YOGA in the box here and see for yourself what I meant.

Oh, 7, I wasn't being sarcastic. We've had numerous discussions abt this issue with Rashmun (and TS) in the past and he stubbornly argues that the hindi way is how it shld be and that it's the original and the only correct way. It's ok to say yog, yogamu or in whatever dielect as long as they understand that and don't impose it on others when speaking a different language.

In the case of Ramdev, I guess it's fine as he speaks only in hindi and it's pronounced as Yog in Hindi.

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:02 pm

kinnera wrote:
seven wrote: kinnu dont get so sarcastic! ramdev baba wasn't talking in sanskrit and i didnt say yog is the only right way of pronouncing it. all i said was in hindi that is how the word is pronounced so babaji is right whn he calls it yog.

type YOGA in the box here and see for yourself what I meant.

Oh, 7, I wasn't being sarcastic. We've had numerous discussions abt this issue with Rashmun (and TS) in the past and he stubbornly argues that the hindi way is how it shld be and that it's the original and the only correct way. It's ok to say yog, yogamu or in whatever dielect as long as they understand that and don't impose it on others when speaking a different language.

In the case of Ramdev, I guess it's fine as he speaks only in hindi and it's pronounced as Yog in Hindi.

well thank you! that's all i was saying. i don't know about the discussions with rashmun n ts. maybe they tried to argue hindi way is the correct way and everyone should do as hindis do but in this thread you were asking ppl to tell babaji it's yoga not yog and i just pointed out he speaks hindi and its called yog (in hindi).

by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:12 pm

seven wrote:
kinnera wrote:
seven wrote: kinnu dont get so sarcastic! ramdev baba wasn't talking in sanskrit and i didnt say yog is the only right way of pronouncing it. all i said was in hindi that is how the word is pronounced so babaji is right whn he calls it yog.

type YOGA in the box here and see for yourself what I meant.

Oh, 7, I wasn't being sarcastic. We've had numerous discussions abt this issue with Rashmun (and TS) in the past and he stubbornly argues that the hindi way is how it shld be and that it's the original and the only correct way. It's ok to say yog, yogamu or in whatever dielect as long as they understand that and don't impose it on others when speaking a different language.

In the case of Ramdev, I guess it's fine as he speaks only in hindi and it's pronounced as Yog in Hindi.

well thank you! that's all i was saying. i don't know about the discussions with rashmun n ts. maybe they tried to argue hindi way is the correct way and everyone should do as hindis do but in this thread you were asking ppl to tell babaji it's yoga not yog and i just pointed out he speaks hindi and its called yog (in hindi).

yup, true. i didn't realize that he speaks only in hindi. Now i'm in an agreement with u. Seeing it written as 'yog' on posters and on the stuff in his store in the indian mall here was a bit irritating as the original word was 'yoga', not 'yog'. I'm chill now Smile

by SomeProfile Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:02 am

The argument that Ram is correct as long as you are speaking Hindi, is the same as arguing that the American way of pronouncing the name (as ram, like the male sheep, to rhyme with the name Sam) is correct as long as you are speaking English. It is an invalid argument. The fact is that NIs who pronounce it as Ram are as ignorant of the correct pronunciation as the Americans who pronounce is as ram.

Further, those who can't see this truth and/or refuse to see this truth are not only ignorant, they are also stupid. Even further, the one who argues that Raama and Ramaa sound very similar, and so Ram is better than Rama, is ignorant, stupid and suffers from hearing deficiency.

by Guest Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:35 am

SomeProfile wrote:The argument that Ram is correct as long as you are speaking Hindi, is the same as arguing that the American way of pronouncing the name (as ram, like the male sheep, to rhyme with the name Sam) is correct as long as you are speaking English. It is an invalid argument. The fact is that NIs who pronounce it as Ram are as ignorant of the correct pronunciation as the Americans who pronounce is as ram.

Further, those who can't see this truth and/or refuse to see this truth are not only ignorant, they are also stupid. Even further, the one who argues that Raama and Ramaa sound very similar, and so Ram is better than Rama, is ignorant, stupid and suffers from hearing deficiency.

In Hindi, every word is pronounced like it is written. We have an alphabet for every possible sound there is, unlike some SI languages which cannot even differentiate between a simple ka and kha or da and dha. I wont be surprised if they had only one a and no aa. No wonder they find Raam incomplete without a in the end.
When I said it's okay to call it Yog as long as it's in Hindi, I was only avoiding an argument. I know there is no point arguing what is correct because no one is going to change their opinion anyway. I'd rather lose an argument and keep a friend.

by chameli Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:34 am

max ,

sanskritic words ?

either say words in sanskrit or sanskrit words

sanskriti by itself means "culture "

by chameli Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:50 am

Yeah...case closed if there's an understanding with y'all that it is a hindi thingie, that Yog is the hindi pronunciation of the original Sanskrit word, yoga. No more contentions......kinnera

Here's something you might want to see Kinns

http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmSanskrit.htm

It is a glossary in Sanskrit

Check out all the words and how they are pronounced in Sanskrit

Scroll down to the word yoga and see how it is pronounced ..... says clearly "yog"

I don't claim to have much knowledge of Sanskrit but my Grandma is a scholar .She can recite pages and pages of scriptures in Sanskrit ( how I wish now that I had learnt more from her ) off the top of her head and I have heard her say yog(a) not yogaa

Remember .....and Seven has explained this beautifully ......that there is an "a" to be brought out at the end of yog when saying it ...like yog (a) .....but it is not yogaa

by chameli Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:39 am

some profile ,

You need to tone down your rhetoric a bit .

A discussion is not possible when needlessly insults are hurled at another who does not share one's views

That's all I have to say to you for now

by Guest Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:07 pm

chameli wrote:Yeah...case closed if there's an understanding with y'all that it is a hindi thingie, that Yog is the hindi pronunciation of the original Sanskrit word, yoga. No more contentions......kinnera

Here's something you might want to see Kinns

http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmSanskrit.htm

It is a glossary in Sanskrit

Check out all the words and how they are pronounced in Sanskrit

Scroll down to the word yoga and see how it is pronounced ..... says clearly "yog"

I don't claim to have much knowledge of Sanskrit but my Grandma is a scholar .She can recite pages and pages of scriptures in Sanskrit ( how I wish now that I had learnt more from her ) off the top of her head and I have heard her say yog(a) not yogaa

Remember .....and Seven has explained this beautifully ......that there is an "a" to be brought out at the end of yog when saying it ...like yog (a) .....but it is not yogaa

chammo, how can you vouche that what's written in just one website is correct? Pls google search for 'yog'.

by chameli Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:51 pm

kinns,

hmm thats the first site I got ...and I think I am right ..it is yog

u started this topic ..and with it ...put ur foot in your mouth

now not willing to admit you are wrong

so be it

like u all say ...... end of discussion

by Guest Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:26 pm

googled for 'yog' and here's a funny result lol

Diggy Raja is bewakoof, badtameez, and a rakshasaputra: Baba Ramdev 2w3cbo9

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:19 am

seven wrote:well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Shaven, there's nothing to like here. All three words you list are non-Hindi words. So Hindi-speakers, like anybody else, have to pronounce the words the way the originators of those words intended. There is no excuse for swallowing the vowel at the end. If you are so hungry, go grab a sandwich.

by Guest Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:24 am

seven wrote:
well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Shaven - Effin idiot! Dumb, I can get but, please don't be intellectually lazy.

by Guest Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:25 am

chameli wrote:kinns,

hmm thats the first site I got ...and I think I am right ..it is yog

u started this topic ..and with it ...put ur foot in your mouth

now not willing to admit you are wrong

so be it

like u all say ...... end of discussion

Chammo,

My foot is where it need to be, not in the mouth. You 'think' you are right. I have no problems with it. Think whatever you want to. Mera kya. The correct word and pronunciation in it's original Sanskrit language is 'Yoga' not 'Yog' (with the gobbled up vowol at the end.) That it what it is. Accept it or not.

Looks like we have one more Rashmun in the making who'd argue "what i *think* is what is it is and that's right. Don't care abt the facts." What kind of discussion can anyone have with them? So, yeah, it's 'End of discussion' from me too.

Smile

. Have a wonderful day!

by Guest Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:47 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
seven wrote:well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa
Shaven, there's nothing to like here. All three words you list are non-Hindi words. So Hindi-speakers, like anybody else, have to pronounce the words the way the originators of those words intended. There is no excuse for swallowing the vowel at the end. If you are so hungry, go grab a sandwich.

of course they are hindi words. only their origin lies in sanskrit. hindi speakers have a right to pronounce it whichever way they like -- be it in the case of yog or kannad. the spanish term for indians has been indio -- they are not necessarily wrong in any way. the bengali word for yoga is jog. possibly this is a prakrit influence (dropping the last vowel). the pali word for dharma is dhamma -- it's not wrong and there is no need to be faithful to the sanskrit spelling or enunciation.

by chameli Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:55 am

kinns,

I gave you proof of the Sanskrit pronounciation .

I wasn't sure earlier but now I am

what more do u want ?

I'm at a loss

Rashmun is it? .I'm already beginning to like him LOL

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:04 am

do you also say bhagavad gIt? knowing your (hindi speakers') predilection for dropping vowels in sundry places, more likely you say bhagvad gIt.

here is the first verse from the gItA:

dhṛtarāṣṭra
uvāca
dharma-kṣetre
kuru-kṣetre
samavetā yuyutsavaḥ
māmakāḥ pāṇḍavāś caiva
kim akurvata sañjaya

in hindi this would read:

dhrtarastr uvac
dharm-ksetr kuru-ksetr
samavet yuyutsav
mamak pandav caiv
kim akurvat sanjay

by chameli Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:14 am

max,

go to this web site

http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmSanskrit.htm

bhagavad gita is to be pronounced as bhuguwad geet ( song of god )

it is not swallowing the vowel max

it is laying emphasis on the last consonant

as in Krishn (a ) ..if last vowel were to be dropped it would be pronounced as krishn .......( although some north indians will call him kishen ....again not right )

and it is not

similarly in yog (a)... the g is the long sounding consonant it carries the "a" with it but does not go into the aa sound

by chameli Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:19 am

sorry max

didnt see the rest of your comment ... the verse

here again one doesn't have to drop the last vowel in writing .it just doesn't have to be pronounced because the last consonant carries the last vowel with it without the aa sound

It's similar to the fact that lalita is written as lalitha now u tell me.. why is that ?

or smita is a smitha

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:26 am

here is chapter 6 from the gItA recited in its entirety by someone from the ramakrishna mission with several occurrences of the word yoga and other words with vowel endings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jwEP_0pRY

i have to say dropping the vowel from sanskritic sounds just sounds uneducated and coarse to me.

by chameli Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:27 am

Richard Hed wrote:
seven wrote:
well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Shaven - Effin idiot! Dumb, I can get but, please don't be intellectually lazy.

see this is how u people think you have won a discussion.... by calling others' names...and having them back off ...cower possibly ?

shame on you all

I spell it as kannada but say it as kannad with emphasis on d which makes it a d(a)

see my point ?

And Rashmun hopefully will agree with me lol

by chameli Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:34 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here is chapter 6 from the gItA recited in its entirety by someone from the ramakrishna mission with several occurrences of the word yoga and other words with vowel endings: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jwEP_0pRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jwEP_0pRY[/quote[/url]]

I'm sure there are others who have called it yogaa

and I don't mind it

but to call Swami Ramdev a fool for saying yog in public and making a joke of it ... needed to be questioned ..hence the introspection .

by Guest Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:48 pm

this has been an interesting thread primarily 'cos of cham's first google search on sanskrit and the repeated reference to that link by chams in this thread. this is the link chams cited: http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com/cmSanskrit.htm

from the above link it appears that yoga is pronounced as yog in sanskrit (as in hindi).

max disputed this in a post where he gave a link that recited a chapter of gita and where yoga is pronounced as yoga. link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jwEP_0pRY

i discussed these things (new to me) with my wife who studied sanskrit as a language in school. as per her (and which i intend to defend):

- the devanagri spelling of ram is the same in sanskrit and hindi. so is the pronunciation. cham's link is right. however, unlike as in hindi, when you cast ram in various sentences or phrases, it's spelling and pronunciation will change and might become rama or ramam or ramaya etc.

- the halant (or virama) is used in devanagri. in hindi it means the truncation of the last vowel sound. in sanskrit (read in devanagri) it means the exact opposite, i.e. a repetition of the last consonant, vis, ram with a halant become ramam.

so, score: chams, seven and kinnu are right. maghzu and merlot are wrong.

by chameli Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:36 pm

huz ,

the question was... is it yog(a) or yogaa in Sanskrit ?

and the answer is ...... it is yog(a)

How can Kinns and I both be right ?

Or are you just being nice ?

by Guest Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:55 pm

kinns is right 'cos you have become deranged by now. if that is not enough, kinns has already accepted that yog is the right hindi word for the sanskrit yoga. we are still arguing if yoga is pronounced (and written as in devanagari) as yog in sanskrit. my wife says it is written as yog in devanagri and pronounced as yog in both hindi and sanskrit. i don't know. let us wait for responses.

edit. i mean yoga pronounced standalone in sanskrit. as per my wife the pronunciation of yoga is yog in sanskrit. not yoga in a sentence where it might suffer declensions.

by Guest Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:08 pm

to further clarify (in devanagri):

sanskrit: राम
hindi: राम

pronunciation: rAm in both languages.

by chameli Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:47 pm

huz,

no one has named u as judge

dont call people deranged for no reason

I am saying to u that it is yog in sanskrit not yoga ...written and pronounced

now why are u complicating things ?

by Guest Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:48 pm

chameli wrote:
Richard Hed wrote:
seven wrote:
well like it or not, in Hindi, it's Yog and not yoga just like it's Aditya and not adityaa, Soorya not suryAA and yes, Kannad not kannadaa

Shaven - Effin idiot! Dumb, I can get but, please don't be intellectually lazy.

see this is how u people think you have won a discussion.... by calling others' names...and having them back off ...cower possibly ?

shame on you all

I spell it as kannada but say it as kannad with emphasis on d which makes it a d(a)

see my point ?

And Rashmun hopefully will agree with me lol

Cham Cham,

A post that smacks of stupidity should be called out. And nothing wrong with that.

It's KANNADA. Just 'cos you call it whatever else in your language doesn't make it right! KANNADA.
Don't go "correcting" it when it doesn't need correcting, ok cham cham Smile

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