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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:16 pm



....Kerala temples are built with wood and soaked in oil over centuries of burning of oil lamps. Why do they allow firecrackers?




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Post by truthbetold Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:45 am

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/100416/religious-disasters-in-india-in-recent-years.html

This is not the first mass tragedy in hindu congregations over the past several years.

Every body knows the following: (a) They happen at hindu temple festivities (b) The temple authorities were rarely if ever penalized. (c) local authorities do not take precautions. (d) primary cause is the congregation of large number of people in congested areas with no safety escape options.

While temple authorities and local authorities are primarily responsible for these kind of incidents, should't Hindu civil society and leaders of hindu religion (gurus, major temples) take responsibility and do something.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:26 am

There was a fire at the Guruvayoor temple and they closed the temple for 8 months to rebuild it.

It caught fore bcz of an oil lamp placed on the wooden walls. Thousands of oil lamps are placed on the walls.

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Post by truthbetold Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:08 pm

Uppili,

These temples were designed and built 100s of years (in some cases more than 1000 years ago). Obviously they will not meet today's population demands. But many of them have significant resources. why can't their trustees and govt review safety requirements and do something about it. Also most of these tragedies happen on festival days with huge increase in people entering the congested temple areas. The authorities could house the devotees in an open facility with some comforts and send them in smaller batches into congested areas.

They have handled large crowds in Kumbh Mela and Pushkarams in the past. They could do it. But religious leaders should make safety a priority.

For now, Hindu civil society must be ashamed at its failure.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:39 pm

What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:44 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?

Modi ignored his wife and lied about his status for many decades. This is God's punishment for his actions.

Modi should resign.

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Post by Guest Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:54 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?

Modi is obviously not to blame for the fire, but:
1. Had he been in the opposition he would have cried himself hoarse somehow or the other blaming the Congress for the fire.
2. Modi personally went to Kerala to examine the temple fire. Would he have gone to Kerala if a masjid would have burnt down and a similar number of fatalities would have occurred? is Modi the PM of all Indians, or is he only the PM of all non-secular (communal) Hindus?

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:28 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?
Here...
The 18th century British writer Samuel Johnson famously said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. In 21st century India, patriotism is the first refuge of the incompetent. It is to draw attention away from their visible administrative and governance failures that some politicians have raised this issue of which slogans one can or must shout and which slogans one can’t or shouldn’t shout. It is no accident that non-performing union ministers and chief ministers have spoken most stridently on the subject of ‘Bharat Mata ki jai’.
The quote you attribute to me originates in a typically selective and tendentious piece of reporting by a leading national news channel. What I said, during the Q and A session following a talk I gave in Delhi on contemporary history, was this: Globally, Islamic fundamentalism is a far greater threat than Hindu fundamentalism. Groups such as ISIS are barbaric and brutal. Within India, however, Hindu fundamentalism is more dangerous than Islamic fundamentalism, because Hindus are in an overwhelming majority in our country, and all studies show that, outside of Kashmir, Muslims and Christians suffer more than Hindus in sectarian violence. As a human being, I regard ISIS and other jihadist groups to be a threat to humanity. As an Indian, I regard Hindu fundamentalist groups to be a threat to Indian democracy and pluralism.
These are my views, in full and in context. I wish all journalists would be responsible in what and how they quote!
http://www.navhindtimes.in/patriotism-is-the-first-refuge-of-the-incompetent/

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:59 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?
Here...
The 18th century British writer Samuel Johnson famously said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. In 21st century India, patriotism is the first refuge of the incompetent. It is to draw attention away from their visible administrative and governance failures that some politicians have raised this issue of which slogans one can or must shout and which slogans one can’t or shouldn’t shout. It is no accident that non-performing union ministers and chief ministers have spoken most stridently on the subject of ‘Bharat Mata ki jai’.
The quote you attribute to me originates in a typically selective and tendentious piece of reporting by a leading national news channel. What I said, during the Q and A session following a talk I gave in Delhi on contemporary history, was this: Globally, Islamic fundamentalism is a far greater threat than Hindu fundamentalism. Groups such as ISIS are barbaric and brutal. Within India, however, Hindu fundamentalism is more dangerous than Islamic fundamentalism, because Hindus are in an overwhelming majority in our country, and all studies show that, outside of Kashmir, Muslims and Christians suffer more than Hindus in sectarian violence. As a human being, I regard ISIS and other jihadist groups to be a threat to humanity. As an Indian, I regard Hindu fundamentalist groups to be a threat to Indian democracy and pluralism.
These are my views, in full and in context. I wish all journalists would be responsible in what and how they quote!
http://www.navhindtimes.in/patriotism-is-the-first-refuge-of-the-incompetent/

In the last 15 years:

how many muslims, hindus, Christians have been killed in terror acts?

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Post by rawemotions Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:07 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?

Modi is obviously not to blame for the fire, but:
1. Had he been in the opposition he would have cried himself hoarse somehow or the other blaming the Congress for the fire.
2. Modi personally went to Kerala to examine the temple fire. Would he have gone to Kerala if a masjid would have burnt down and a similar number of fatalities would have occurred? is Modi the PM of all Indians, or is he only the PM of all non-secular (communal) Hindus?
So people who died in the fire are Communal (Non-Secular) Hindus ? 
We should be glad that a Prime Minister of India cares about Hindus, and means it.

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Post by rawemotions Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:10 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?
Here...
The 18th century British writer Samuel Johnson famously said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. In 21st century India, patriotism is the first refuge of the incompetent. It is to draw attention away from their visible administrative and governance failures that some politicians have raised this issue of which slogans one can or must shout and which slogans one can’t or shouldn’t shout. It is no accident that non-performing union ministers and chief ministers have spoken most stridently on the subject of ‘Bharat Mata ki jai’.
The quote you attribute to me originates in a typically selective and tendentious piece of reporting by a leading national news channel. What I said, during the Q and A session following a talk I gave in Delhi on contemporary history, was this: Globally, Islamic fundamentalism is a far greater threat than Hindu fundamentalism. Groups such as ISIS are barbaric and brutal. Within India, however, Hindu fundamentalism is more dangerous than Islamic fundamentalism, because Hindus are in an overwhelming majority in our country, and all studies show that, outside of Kashmir, Muslims and Christians suffer more than Hindus in sectarian violence. As a human being, I regard ISIS and other jihadist groups to be a threat to humanity. As an Indian, I regard Hindu fundamentalist groups to be a threat to Indian democracy and pluralism.
These are my views, in full and in context. I wish all journalists would be responsible in what and how they quote!
http://www.navhindtimes.in/patriotism-is-the-first-refuge-of-the-incompetent/
Guha needs for first learn facts before spouting nonsense.
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/malda-riots-kaliachak-muslims-hindus-west-bengal-mamata-banerjee-islamisation/story/1/8517.html


http://www.ibtimes.co.in/west-bengal-4-killed-over-8-injured-communal-clashes-nadia-district-631370

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Post by Guest Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:20 pm

rawemotions wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:What's Rashmun  & Guha's take on this regarding Modi?

Modi is obviously not to blame for the fire, but:
1. Had he been in the opposition he would have cried himself hoarse somehow or the other blaming the Congress for the fire.
2. Modi personally went to Kerala to examine the temple fire. Would he have gone to Kerala if a masjid would have burnt down and a similar number of fatalities would have occurred? is Modi the PM of all Indians, or is he only the PM of all non-secular (communal) Hindus?
So people who died in the fire are Communal (Non-Secular) Hindus ? 
We should be glad that a Prime Minister of India cares about Hindus, and means it.

People who died in the fire were presumably all hindus, although it is possible some non-hindus may have also died. Modi supporters on the other hand are pretty much exclusively "non-secular hindus".

Adolf Hitler did not care about the jews in Germany. Guruji Golwalkar said in his book 'We, or Our Nationhood Defined' that:

Golwalkar wrote:To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races--the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.

And Narendra Modi has expressed admiration for Golwalkar referring to him always as "Pujniya Shri Guruji" (meaning "Guru worthy of worship") in the biographical profile of Golwalkar present in his book Jyotipunj. Have you read "Jyotipunj" or the other book of Narendra Modi "Setubandh"? If the answer is No, please go and read those two books before doing any pro-Modi propaganda.

Finally, please share your thoughts on the RSS's connection with European fascism.

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:29 pm

rawemotions wrote:
Guha needs for first learn facts before spouting nonsense.
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/malda-riots-kaliachak-muslims-hindus-west-bengal-mamata-banerjee-islamisation/story/1/8517.html


http://www.ibtimes.co.in/west-bengal-4-killed-over-8-injured-communal-clashes-nadia-district-631370
Unless the statistics show that Hindus suffer overwhelmingly in WB than Muslims and Chrsitians, these onesies and twosies will not make his statement incorrect, will they?

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:05 pm

....Looks like there is a pieceful terrorist plot to kill people......  
.....Sikular perverts or ISI cronies - who is responsible?.....

http://www.ndtv.com/cheat-sheet/kollam-temple-fire-no-arrests-yet-crime-branch-takes-over-probe-1384469?pfrom=home-lateststories

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