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Post by Guest Tue May 10, 2016 8:42 am

The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue May 10, 2016 8:55 am

Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.
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Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.

Seva what you are saying is your own interpretation. The Yajur Veda is quite categorical that no brahmin can practice medicine. Still, i would not have had a problem with your interpretation but for the fact that the Yajur Veda also castigates and lampoons the Asvins--the twin deities who are most closely associated with medicine in the Vedas since they are regarded to be the physicians of the Gods. These same Asvins are extolled in the Rig Veda.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue May 10, 2016 12:51 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.

Seva what you are saying is your own interpretation. The Yajur Veda is quite categorical that no brahmin can practice medicine. 
Wrong. Why else would Yajur Veda insist on the physician to maintain cleanliness, even by having a pitcher of water by his side and washing his hands regularly (almost in a ritualistic way), while practicing medicine? This was essentially to separate two types of duties / tasks (doing 'puja' and curing people) at the same time , and not that the same person can't do them at different times.
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Post by Guest Tue May 10, 2016 12:54 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.

Seva what you are saying is your own interpretation. The Yajur Veda is quite categorical that no brahmin can practice medicine. 
Wrong. Why else would Yajur Veda insist on the physician to maintain cleanliness, even by having a pitcher of water by his side and washing his hands regularly (almost in a ritualistic way), while practicing medicine? This was essentially to separate two types of duties / tasks (doing 'puja' and curing people) at the same time , and not that the same person can't do them at different times.

Why the sly silence on the Asvins?

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Post by Guest Tue May 10, 2016 12:55 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.

Seva what you are saying is your own interpretation. The Yajur Veda is quite categorical that no brahmin can practice medicine. Still, i would not have had a problem with your interpretation but for the fact that the Yajur Veda also castigates and lampoons the Asvins--the twin deities who are most closely associated with medicine in the Vedas since they are regarded to be the physicians of the Gods. These same Asvins are extolled in the Rig Veda.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue May 10, 2016 1:07 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.

Seva what you are saying is your own interpretation. The Yajur Veda is quite categorical that no brahmin can practice medicine. 
Wrong. Why else would Yajur Veda insist on the physician to maintain cleanliness, even by having a pitcher of water by his side and washing his hands regularly (almost in a ritualistic way), while practicing medicine? This was essentially to separate two types of duties / tasks (doing 'puja' and curing people) at the same time , and not that the same person can't do them at different times.

Why the sly silence on the Asvins?
Asvins is not the issue for me ... what matters is the hymn on the practice of medicine in the Yajur Veda, which sheds light in a brilliant manner on the gradual development of ideas, as civilization progressed, about cleanliness and hygiene necessary during the practice of medicine (involving patient and health care workers, etc.), and that eventually probably might have led to the concepts of germs and infections also.
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Post by Guest Tue May 10, 2016 1:40 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.

Seva what you are saying is your own interpretation. The Yajur Veda is quite categorical that no brahmin can practice medicine. 
Wrong. Why else would Yajur Veda insist on the physician to maintain cleanliness, even by having a pitcher of water by his side and washing his hands regularly (almost in a ritualistic way), while practicing medicine? This was essentially to separate two types of duties / tasks (doing 'puja' and curing people) at the same time , and not that the same person can't do them at different times.

Why the sly silence on the Asvins?
Asvins is not the issue for me ... what matters is the hymn on the practice of medicine in the Yajur Veda, which sheds light in a brilliant manner on the gradual development of ideas, as civilization progressed, about cleanliness and hygiene necessary during the practice of medicine (involving patient and health care workers, etc.), and that eventually probably might have led to the concepts of germs and infections also.

Asvins may not be an issue for you but it is a very important issue for the Rig Veda:

http://creative.sulekha.com/rig-veda-physicians-of-the-gods-asvins_409685_blog

So if the Asvins are extolled in the Rig Veda only to then be condemned in the Yajur Veda (which was composed much later than the Rig Veda) we know that a fundamental shift in the attitude towards medicine has taken place amongst the Vedic people.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Tue May 10, 2016 1:50 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

Seva what you are saying is your own interpretation. The Yajur Veda is quite categorical that no brahmin can practice medicine. 
Wrong. Why else would Yajur Veda insist on the physician to maintain cleanliness, even by having a pitcher of water by his side and washing his hands regularly (almost in a ritualistic way), while practicing medicine? This was essentially to separate two types of duties / tasks (doing 'puja' and curing people) at the same time , and not that the same person can't do them at different times.

Why the sly silence on the Asvins?
Asvins is not the issue for me ... what matters is the hymn on the practice of medicine in the Yajur Veda, which sheds light in a brilliant manner on the gradual development of ideas, as civilization progressed, about cleanliness and hygiene necessary during the practice of medicine (involving patient and health care workers, etc.), and that eventually probably might have led to the concepts of germs and infections also.

Asvins may not be an issue for you but it is a very important issue for the Rig Veda:

http://creative.sulekha.com/rig-veda-physicians-of-the-gods-asvins_409685_blog

So if the Asvins are extolled in the Rig Veda only to then be condemned in the Yajur Veda (which was composed much later than the Rig Veda) we know that a fundamental shift in the attitude towards medicine has taken place amongst the Vedic people.
It just shows that during the time of Yajur Veda the practice of medicine had progressed much further and not just limited to Asvins curing the patients.
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Post by Guest Tue May 10, 2016 2:03 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Wrong. Why else would Yajur Veda insist on the physician to maintain cleanliness, even by having a pitcher of water by his side and washing his hands regularly (almost in a ritualistic way), while practicing medicine? This was essentially to separate two types of duties / tasks (doing 'puja' and curing people) at the same time , and not that the same person can't do them at different times.

Why the sly silence on the Asvins?
Asvins is not the issue for me ... what matters is the hymn on the practice of medicine in the Yajur Veda, which sheds light in a brilliant manner on the gradual development of ideas, as civilization progressed, about cleanliness and hygiene necessary during the practice of medicine (involving patient and health care workers, etc.), and that eventually probably might have led to the concepts of germs and infections also.

Asvins may not be an issue for you but it is a very important issue for the Rig Veda:

http://creative.sulekha.com/rig-veda-physicians-of-the-gods-asvins_409685_blog

So if the Asvins are extolled in the Rig Veda only to then be condemned in the Yajur Veda (which was composed much later than the Rig Veda) we know that a fundamental shift in the attitude towards medicine has taken place amongst the Vedic people.
It just shows that during the time of Yajur Veda the practice of medicine had progressed much further and not just limited to Asvins curing the patients.

The Rig Veda clearly and unequivocally extolls physicians and the practice of medicine:

Upon reading the Rig Veda, we are introduced to a world in which physicians and the science of medicine are held in the highest esteem. An entire hymn of the Rig Veda (Rig Veda x.97) is in praise of the healing herb or osadhi. The poet to whom it is attributed is mentioned as 'the seer called Physician, son of the Atharvans". In rough rendering two of the verses from the hymn read thus:

"Oh bright herbs, you are like the mothers. In your presence I promise to offer to the physician cows, horses, clothes and even myself....

The wise physician is one round whom the herbs gather, in the way in which the chiefs gather round the king in war council. He wages war on sickness in all forms."

Some of the famous Vedic Gods are specially praised in the Rig Veda because of their skill in medical practice, or more simply as outstanding physicians.


http://creative.sulekha.com/rig-veda-physicians-and-medicine_409655_blog

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Seva, i invite you to give any passage from the Yajur Veda extolling physicians and the practice of medicine. You will not find any such passage. Rather, the Rig Vedic deities extolled in the Rig Veda for being physicians par excellence (the Asvins) are condemned in the Yajur Veda because of the democratic commitment of the Asvins whereby they mingle among the people and cure sicknesses and illnesses because of which the Yajur Veda deems the Asvins to be impure, and hence unworthy and unfit of being given the offerings which were being given by the Vedic priests to all the Vedic deities.

The question here is not about whether the science and practice of medicine had progressed at the time of the Yajur Veda; rather it is about the ideological orientation towards the science and practice of medicine.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue May 10, 2016 2:47 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.
Looks like Aurangajeb is doing a pooja to Kafir lingams again. Soon, Aurangajeb's sishya will ask, "why isn't the brain doing the work of the rectum", "why are mathematics and biology treated as separate subjects" & "why doesn't an antibiotic treat psychosis"?.......

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Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The attitude towards medicine and the medical science is dramatically different in the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda, as this blog shows:

http://creative.sulekha.com/yajurveda-censuring-the-ancient-gods_325363_blog

In the Rig Veda, medicine and medical science and the deities associated with medicine are extolled, while in the Yajur Veda they are censured. The Yajur Veda also formulates a rule which is not present in the Rig Veda: A brahmin can never practice medicine.

It's not that a brahmin can never practice medicine, according to the Yajur Veda, but when he is working as a brahmin (doing 'puja' etc.) he should not practice medicine and cure sick people, lest his double duty (as brahmin and physician at the same time) causes the spread of sickness.
Looks like Aurangajeb is doing a pooja to Kafir lingams again. Soon, Aurangajeb's sishya will ask, "why isn't the brain doing the work of the rectum", "why are mathematics and biology treated as separate subjects" & "why doesn't an antibiotic treat psychosis"?.......

whenever he reads a Rashmun writeup on Hinduism, Vakavaka seems to forget about his beloved Advaita Vedanta which teaches that everything and everyone in this universe is Brahman (God). Incidentally, Vakavaka is also wrong about mathematics and biology being treated as separate subjects. That used to be the case at one time, but it is no longer true. To give just one example, a lot of mathematics (and statistics) is often used when analyzing any kind of biological data.

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