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pravalika nanda wrote:i don't understand the obsession with the ivy leagues. both my previous chairmen who hired me are graduates of yale and the current chair is from harvard. i did all my studying at the worst places with tremendous gaps thrown it.

i attribute a lot my success and will power to my late career start. most of the people i grew up with felt accomplished by the time they had graduated from  the cornells and columbias whereas i started late and with guidance from my parents asked myself grown-up questions: what kind of life do i want? what kind of salary do i need?

my mom is very bright in that she realized before it was too late that i needed something very fast-paced, on my feet kind of work because i don't have the attention span or discipline for say something like research or teaching.

anyhow, in my job i make several crictical decisions in a day, interacting with roughly 60 people a day and in a highly litigious environment.

i am also the best in my small team of 5 people. of note, these 4 other people are from ivy leagues. they're so exhausted from their extraordinary (lol) success, and so the tortoise beats the hare. of course, i do what i do simply for the love of it.

garam_kuta wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:i don't understand the obsession with the ivy leagues. both my previous chairmen who hired me are graduates of yale and the current chair is from harvard. i did all my studying at the worst places with tremendous gaps thrown it.

i attribute a lot my success and will power to my late career start. most of the people i grew up with felt accomplished by the time they had graduated from  the cornells and columbias whereas i started late and with guidance from my parents asked myself grown-up questions: what kind of life do i want? what kind of salary do i need?

my mom is very bright in that she realized before it was too late that i needed something very fast-paced, on my feet kind of work because i don't have the attention span or discipline for say something like research or teaching.

anyhow, in my job i make several crictical decisions in a day, interacting with roughly 60 people a day and in a highly litigious environment.

i am also the best in my small team of 5 people. of note, these 4 other people are from ivy leagues. they're so exhausted from their extraordinary (lol) success, and so the tortoise beats the hare. of course, i do what i do simply for the love of it.

If you're saying parochial schools, IITs and Ivy leagues are all antenna types and white collar worker-bees, you do have a listener in me;)

pravalika nanda wrote:i don't understand the obsession with the ivy leagues. both my previous chairmen who hired me are graduates of yale and the current chair is from harvard. i did all my studying at the worst places with tremendous gaps thrown it.

i attribute a lot my success and will power to my late career start. most of the people i grew up with felt accomplished by the time they had graduated from  the cornells and columbias whereas i started late and with guidance from my parents asked myself grown-up questions: what kind of life do i want? what kind of salary do i need?

my mom is very bright in that she realized before it was too late that i needed something very fast-paced, on my feet kind of work because i don't have the attention span or discipline for say something like research or teaching.

anyhow, in my job i make several crictical decisions in a day, interacting with roughly 60 people a day and in a highly litigious environment.

i am also the best in my small team of 5 people. of note, these 4 other people are from ivy leagues. they're so exhausted from their extraordinary (lol) success, and so the tortoise beats the hare. of course, i do what i do simply for the love of it.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:i don't understand the obsession with the ivy leagues. both my previous chairmen who hired me are graduates of yale and the current chair is from harvard. i did all my studying at the worst places with tremendous gaps thrown it.

i attribute a lot my success and will power to my late career start. most of the people i grew up with felt accomplished by the time they had graduated from  the cornells and columbias whereas i started late and with guidance from my parents asked myself grown-up questions: what kind of life do i want? what kind of salary do i need?

my mom is very bright in that she realized before it was too late that i needed something very fast-paced, on my feet kind of work because i don't have the attention span or discipline for say something like research or teaching.

anyhow, in my job i make several crictical decisions in a day, interacting with roughly 60 people a day and in a highly litigious environment.

i am also the best in my small team of 5 people. of note, these 4 other people are from ivy leagues. they're so exhausted from their extraordinary (lol) success, and so the tortoise beats the hare. of course, i do what i do simply for the love of it.

you must be exhausted from working so hard. if I were around I'd give you a nice foot massage followed by oral pleasure (after shower) before making you a nice vegetarian dinner.

swapna wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:i don't understand the obsession with the ivy leagues. both my previous chairmen who hired me are graduates of yale and the current chair is from harvard. i did all my studying at the worst places with tremendous gaps thrown it.

i attribute a lot my success and will power to my late career start. most of the people i grew up with felt accomplished by the time they had graduated from  the cornells and columbias whereas i started late and with guidance from my parents asked myself grown-up questions: what kind of life do i want? what kind of salary do i need?

my mom is very bright in that she realized before it was too late that i needed something very fast-paced, on my feet kind of work because i don't have the attention span or discipline for say something like research or teaching.

anyhow, in my job i make several crictical decisions in a day, interacting with roughly 60 people a day and in a highly litigious environment.

i am also the best in my small team of 5 people. of note, these 4 other people are from ivy leagues. they're so exhausted from their extraordinary (lol) success, and so the tortoise beats the hare. of course, i do what i do simply for the love of it.

you must be exhausted from working so hard. if I were around I'd give you a nice foot massage followed by oral pleasure (after shower) before making you a nice vegetarian dinner.

you sound like a loving, charming gentleman of the 21st century. scores of women will crave your touch.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:they've been at this for a while, but have lost every time. even if they lose, it is good to keep bringing it up to make the universities feel the heat. the comparison with the jewish quota of yore is absolutely appropriate. putting it in those terms will definitely make them squirm.

swapna wrote:
the ivies are also on a mission to give students from historically  underprivileged groups a leg up. that would mean denying admission to some asians, while others, especially the underprivileged, who have lower performance scores, are offered admission.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

swapna wrote:
the ivies are also on a mission to give students from historically  underprivileged groups a leg up. that would mean denying admission to some asians, while others, especially the underprivileged, who have lower performance scores, are offered admission.

do you also support affirmative action at state schools?

swapna wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

swapna wrote:
the ivies are also on a mission to give students from historically  underprivileged groups a leg up. that would mean denying admission to some asians, while others, especially the underprivileged, who have lower performance scores, are offered admission.

do you also support affirmative action at state schools?

that sounds like an easy question to answer, but I don't find it easy. it's complicated by conflicting values, objectives, and limited resources.

it wasn't very relevant to us, and I didn't need to answer it. I don't have a clearer response.

the university of texas has a reasonably effective admission policy that is largely not race-based, but levels the playing field for all schools and school districts, regardless of how wealthy each is.

you used the word "also"; I don't support affirmative action at the ivies; I was merely describing what I believe is their admission policy. I accept their policy, I.e. I have no desire to fight it, or the way they use their resources.

smArtha wrote:Why don't we indians or even the larger asians crowd fund a set of High End and World Class Universities to meet the needs of our youth?

swapna wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

do you also support affirmative action at state schools?

that sounds like an easy question to answer, but I don't find it easy. it's complicated by conflicting values, objectives, and limited resources.

it wasn't very relevant to us, and I didn't need to answer it. I don't have a clearer response.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

swapna wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

do you also support affirmative action at state schools?

that sounds like an easy question to answer, but I don't find it easy. it's complicated by conflicting values, objectives, and limited resources.

it wasn't very relevant to us, and I didn't need to answer it. I don't have a clearer response.

Which one is it ???  BTW, have you ALWAYS responded to only when somthing is relevant to you in life?

Face it... One of your kids managed to get into IVIES and that satisfied your needs. In fact, affirmative action plays an even bigger role in hiring faculty hiring - that too, in the Ivies.  They will drool over any African American or a female applicant.

swapna wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

swapna wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

do you also support affirmative action at state schools?

that sounds like an easy question to answer, but I don't find it easy. it's complicated by conflicting values, objectives, and limited resources.

it wasn't very relevant to us, and I didn't need to answer it. I don't have a clearer response.

Which one is it ???  BTW, have you ALWAYS responded to only when somthing is relevant to you in life?

Face it... One of your kids managed to get into IVIES and that satisfied your needs. In fact, affirmative action plays an even bigger role in hiring faculty hiring - that too, in the Ivies.  They will drool over any African American or a female applicant.

both of my kids attended ivies: one attended yale and harvard (followed by chicago, not an ivy); the other attended (u.c. berkeley, not an ivy, followed by) columbia. each had excellent alternatives; I was indifferent between the ivies they attended and the alternatives.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

swapna wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

swapna wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

do you also support affirmative action at state schools?

that sounds like an easy question to answer, but I don't find it easy. it's complicated by conflicting values, objectives, and limited resources.

it wasn't very relevant to us, and I didn't need to answer it. I don't have a clearer response.

Which one is it ???  BTW, have you ALWAYS responded to only when somthing is relevant to you in life?

Face it... One of your kids managed to get into IVIES and that satisfied your needs. In fact, affirmative action plays an even bigger role in hiring faculty hiring - that too, in the Ivies.  They will drool over any African American or a female applicant.

both of my kids attended ivies: one attended yale and harvard (followed by chicago, not an ivy); the other attended (u.c. berkeley, not an ivy, followed by) columbia. each had excellent alternatives; I was indifferent between the ivies they attended and the alternatives.

Everyone is indifferent when things work out "within" your range of expectations. That does not mean they might not have benefitted from the inisible quota system...  Here is another new piece of info for you....

The ivies (and all private schools) want their student body represent all states from across the nation. So an (that to a Desi) applicant from midwest with the same qualification has a much much higher chances of getting into "these" schools than a desi from east coast or from west coast. So I always smirk when a DESI parent from midwest proclaim repeatedly their kid's admission to an IVY, when I have seen much better qualified Desi kids on the coast given a go by.  Berkeley is notorious in giving admission to any and every desi kid from midwest who would not make the cut at MIT or GT.

I tell people if they wnt their kids to go to top IVY or med/Law schools, they should move to midwest and better their chances.  I have been analyzing Law, Medical, Dental, and Business school data. Amazing... The midwest guys have an advantage and the Californians are the worst hit.  I tell anyone who goes to california the challenges they will face when the time comes to their kids college.

So geographical quota is also a quota.

garam_kuta wrote:
I was told long time ago, when I was in India, times when it wasn't easy to get a visa, work permit/H visa and then green card - ie., before Y2K and the large indiscriminate influx of "code coolies''; physicians who were willing to work in high crime areas like Cook county, students who came to study, or postdocs and trainees from Tata burroughs and such on business visas, and of course the patels who invested the required minimum and ran business - every news paper shop in the NYC subway, open 24 hours, like the corner korean shop for salads and veggies, who had also come to the US by collective investment among themselves and sponsorship, just like the Gujjus. During that time, apparently most desis used to pretend and parade nationalistic views, their commitment to return to india etc., and actively discouraged other desis from applying for greencard, with the insidious objective of  improving their priority numbers.  It's a tenuous connection but desis and ivy leagues reminded me of the stories i was told by my seniors. lots of it is sour grapes too.

garam_kuta wrote:[
I was told long time ago, when I was in India, times when it wasn't easy to get a visa, work permit/H visa and then green card - ie., before Y2K and the large indiscriminate influx of "code coolies''; physicians who were willing to work in high crime areas like Cook county, students who came to study, or postdocs and trainees from Tata burroughs and such on business visas, and of course the patels who invested the required minimum and ran business - every news paper shop in the NYC subway, open 24 hours, like the corner korean shop for salads and veggies, who had also come to the US by collective investment among themselves and sponsorship, just like the Gujjus. During that time, apparently most desis used to pretend and parade nationalistic views, their commitment to return to india etc., and actively discouraged other desis from applying for greencard, with the insidious objective of  improving their priority numbers.  It's a tenuous connection but desis and ivy leagues reminded me of the stories i was told by my seniors. lots of it is sour grapes too.

confuzzled dude wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:[
I was told long time ago, when I was in India, times when it wasn't easy to get a visa, work permit/H visa and then green card - ie., before Y2K and the large indiscriminate influx of "code coolies''; physicians who were willing to work in high crime areas like Cook county, students who came to study, or postdocs and trainees from Tata burroughs and such on business visas, and of course the patels who invested the required minimum and ran business - every news paper shop in the NYC subway, open 24 hours, like the corner korean shop for salads and veggies, who had also come to the US by collective investment among themselves and sponsorship, just like the Gujjus. During that time, apparently most desis used to pretend and parade nationalistic views, their commitment to return to india etc., and actively discouraged other desis from applying for greencard, with the insidious objective of  improving their priority numbers.  It's a tenuous connection but desis and ivy leagues reminded me of the stories i was told by my seniors. lots of it is sour grapes too.

This sort of conniving mentality & unscrupulousness was common in college campuses too, especially when it came to applying for on-campus jobs. I guess they were showing glimpses of their business strategy acumen & critical leadership skills i.e. eliminate your rivals.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:
I was told long time ago, when I was in India, times when it wasn't easy to get a visa, work permit/H visa and then green card - ie., before Y2K and the large indiscriminate influx of "code coolies''; physicians who were willing to work in high crime areas like Cook county, students who came to study, or postdocs and trainees from Tata burroughs and such on business visas, and of course the patels who invested the required minimum and ran business - every news paper shop in the NYC subway, open 24 hours, like the corner korean shop for salads and veggies, who had also come to the US by collective investment among themselves and sponsorship, just like the Gujjus. During that time, apparently most desis used to pretend and parade nationalistic views, their commitment to return to india etc., and actively discouraged other desis from applying for greencard, with the insidious objective of  improving their priority numbers.  It's a tenuous connection but desis and ivy leagues reminded me of the stories i was told by my seniors. lots of it is sour grapes too.

Not sure what you are trying to say... We are not talking about GC or the immigrants who played those games to beat others by a few numbers.  Even here those who applied from Labor Cert from midwest got it within 10 days to a few weeks whereas those from the Mega cities waited for 18 to 24 months just for labor. Remember in those days the day of application for Labor cert served for fixing priority dates.

Here it is the quota system for geography. Ivies and privies want to show case that their student body is MULTI-Cultural (meaning from different states and race), It helps them by prefering DEsi kids from Missouri or Texas over the ones from NJ as it helps them checkmark two quares. Berkeley gave admission to top DESIS from India and collected big tuition to compensate for loss of state support. After strong opposition, they gave admissions to chinkus and desis from OUT OF STATE. This let them off the hook legally but brought out of state funds. Ironnically, most of those who went to Berkeley with an intention to go onto professional schools failed miserably. I read discussion forums and bulletin boards of applicants to different professional areas (Yes, I have a fake account in all those sites and I even give advice...) and my comments above are based on my "scientific" observation. Yes, there are many applicants who play "the Desi Games" of discouraging other applicants from applying to specific schools to improve their own chances there.

P.S. My software says this has 23 critical errors.  Let us see if Swapie can identify all....

garam_kuta wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:
I was told long time ago, when I was in India, times when it wasn't easy to get a visa, work permit/H visa and then green card - ie., before Y2K and the large indiscriminate influx of "code coolies''; physicians who were willing to work in high crime areas like Cook county, students who came to study, or postdocs and trainees from Tata burroughs and such on business visas, and of course the patels who invested the required minimum and ran business - every news paper shop in the NYC subway, open 24 hours, like the corner korean shop for salads and veggies, who had also come to the US by collective investment among themselves and sponsorship, just like the Gujjus. During that time, apparently most desis used to pretend and parade nationalistic views, their commitment to return to india etc., and actively discouraged other desis from applying for greencard, with the insidious objective of  improving their priority numbers.  It's a tenuous connection but desis and ivy leagues reminded me of the stories i was told by my seniors. lots of it is sour grapes too.

Not sure what you are trying to say... We are not talking about GC or the immigrants who played those games to beat others by a few numbers.  Even here those who applied from Labor Cert from midwest got it within 10 days to a few weeks whereas those from the Mega cities waited for 18 to 24 months just for labor. Remember in those days the day of application for Labor cert served for fixing priority dates.

Here it is the quota system for geography. Ivies and privies want to show case that their student body is MULTI-Cultural (meaning from different states and race), It helps them by prefering DEsi kids from Missouri or Texas over the ones from NJ as it helps them checkmark two quares. Berkeley gave admission to top DESIS from India and collected big tuition to compensate for loss of state support. After strong opposition, they gave admissions to chinkus and desis from OUT OF STATE. This let them off the hook legally but brought out of state funds. Ironnically, most of those who went to Berkeley with an intention to go onto professional schools failed miserably. I read discussion forums and bulletin boards of applicants to different professional areas (Yes, I have a fake account in all those sites and I even give advice...) and my comments above are based on my "scientific" observation. Yes, there are many applicants who play "the Desi Games" of discouraging other applicants from applying to specific schools to improve their own chances there.

P.S. My software says this has 23 critical errors.  Let us see if Swapie can identify all....

@ PS: et tu, ettaparae?

Propagandhi711 wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:i don't understand the obsession with the ivy leagues. both my previous chairmen who hired me are graduates of yale and the current chair is from harvard. i did all my studying at the worst places with tremendous gaps thrown it.

i attribute a lot my success and will power to my late career start. most of the people i grew up with felt accomplished by the time they had graduated from  the cornells and columbias whereas i started late and with guidance from my parents asked myself grown-up questions: what kind of life do i want? what kind of salary do i need?

my mom is very bright in that she realized before it was too late that i needed something very fast-paced, on my feet kind of work because i don't have the attention span or discipline for say something like research or teaching.

anyhow, in my job i make several crictical decisions in a day, interacting with roughly 60 people a day and in a highly litigious environment.

i am also the best in my small team of 5 people. of note, these 4 other people are from ivy leagues. they're so exhausted from their extraordinary (lol) success, and so the tortoise beats the hare. of course, i do what i do simply for the love of it.

you must be exhausted from working so hard. if I were around I'd give you a nice foot massage followed by oral pleasure (after shower) before making you a nice vegetarian dinner.