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goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

u could say Congress did not ban it because of the muslim vote (or rather because influential muslims like the clerics persuaded the Congress not to ban it). why is the BJP not doing something about it?

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

u could say Congress did not ban it because of the muslim vote (or rather because influential muslims like the clerics persuaded the Congress not to ban it). why is the BJP not doing something about it?

Nehru had a good opportunity to impose a uniform civil code and he should have done it. at that time there would have been a lot less resistance to the move from the muslim clergy and other vested interests.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

u could say Congress did not ban it because of the muslim vote (or rather because influential muslims like the clerics persuaded the Congress not to ban it). why is the BJP not doing something about it?

Nehru had a good opportunity to impose a uniform civil code and he should have done it. at that time there would have been a lot less resistance to the move from the muslim clergy and other vested interests.

Really! remember this was right after the partition, and a move like UCC would've proved that mulsims fears were right. I think Rajiv Gandhi had a better chance but he wasn't bold enough.

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

Because India is a secular country where it is important for the sake of secularism to let people follow religious laws officially.

goodcitizn wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

Because India is a secular country where it is important for the sake of secularism to let people follow religious laws officially.

Secularism in the real sense is to disregard religion in governance, not have the pretense of embracing all religions equally. If all non-Muslims have to abide by the due process of the legal system, why should Muslim men be given the special privilege of divorcing their wives by repeating "talaq" three times when the same privilege is denied to their Muslim women?

When many Muslim countries have already outlawed this practice, why isn't India championing the ban at least on the basis of gender equality in the eyes of the law?

I thought the Modi government would have the courage to bring up this issue but so far, like Rashmun correctly said, it lacks the backbone to go against vote bank politics. A real shame.

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

Because India is a secular country where it is important for the sake of secularism to let people follow religious laws officially.

Secularism in the real sense is to disregard religion in governance, not have the pretense of embracing all religions equally. If all non-Muslims have to abide by the due process of the legal system, why should Muslim men be given the special privilege of divorcing their wives by repeating "talaq" three times when the same privilege is denied to their Muslim women?

When many Muslim countries have already outlawed this practice, why isn't India championing the ban at least on the basis of gender equality in the eyes of the law?

I thought the Modi government would have the courage to bring up this issue but so far, like Rashmun correctly said, it lacks the backbone to go against vote bank politics. A real shame.

The BJP's motivation for not doing anything about the uniform civil code is different from the Congress's. BJP does not care about the muslim vote; it knows that by and large muslims will not vote for it.

The reason why BJP would like to maintain the status quo is because muslims not having a uniform civil code helps the BJP to continue stoking the fires of majority vs minority resentment, polarization, and communalism which inevitably helps  the BJP in winning elections.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:Why is talaq practiced in India when it is banned in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few other Muslim countries?

Because India is a secular country where it is important for the sake of secularism to let people follow religious laws officially.

Secularism in the real sense is to disregard religion in governance, not have the pretense of embracing all religions equally. If all non-Muslims have to abide by the due process of the legal system, why should Muslim men be given the special privilege of divorcing their wives by repeating "talaq" three times when the same privilege is denied to their Muslim women?

When many Muslim countries have already outlawed this practice, why isn't India championing the ban at least on the basis of gender equality in the eyes of the law?

I thought the Modi government would have the courage to bring up this issue but so far, like Rashmun correctly said, it lacks the backbone to go against vote bank politics. A real shame.

The BJP's motivation for not doing anything about the uniform civil code is different from the Congress's. BJP does not care about the muslim vote; it knows that by and large muslims will not vote for it.

The reason why BJP would like to maintain the status quo is because muslims not having a uniform civil code helps the BJP to continue stoking the fires of majority vs minority resentment, polarization, and communalism which inevitably helps  the BJP in winning elections.

BJP not taking any initiative on this issue (in terms of implementing the UCC immediately) because if it announced such a move, many people in India and abroad (including yourself and several Bollywood personalities) will scream that intolerance against minorities is on the rise in India and the nation's secularism (Indian brand of course) is threatened.

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Because India is a secular country where it is important for the sake of secularism to let people follow religious laws officially.

Secularism in the real sense is to disregard religion in governance, not have the pretense of embracing all religions equally. If all non-Muslims have to abide by the due process of the legal system, why should Muslim men be given the special privilege of divorcing their wives by repeating "talaq" three times when the same privilege is denied to their Muslim women?

When many Muslim countries have already outlawed this practice, why isn't India championing the ban at least on the basis of gender equality in the eyes of the law?

I thought the Modi government would have the courage to bring up this issue but so far, like Rashmun correctly said, it lacks the backbone to go against vote bank politics. A real shame.

The BJP's motivation for not doing anything about the uniform civil code is different from the Congress's. BJP does not care about the muslim vote; it knows that by and large muslims will not vote for it.

The reason why BJP would like to maintain the status quo is because muslims not having a uniform civil code helps the BJP to continue stoking the fires of majority vs minority resentment, polarization, and communalism which inevitably helps  the BJP in winning elections.

BJP not taking any initiative on this issue (in terms of implementing the UCC immediately) because if it announced such a move, many people in India and abroad (including yourself and several Bollywood personalities) will scream that intolerance against minorities is on the rise in India and the nation's secularism (Indian brand of course) is threatened.

you are mistaken.genuine secularists, including myself, would rejoice if UCC is implemented. Even if i, and others, opposed implementation of UCC is this really sufficient reason for BJP not to implement UCC? Sounds like an excuse to me.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:
Secularism in the real sense is to disregard religion in governance, not have the pretense of embracing all religions equally. If all non-Muslims have to abide by the due process of the legal system, why should Muslim men be given the special privilege of divorcing their wives by repeating "talaq" three times when the same privilege is denied to their Muslim women?

When many Muslim countries have already outlawed this practice, why isn't India championing the ban at least on the basis of gender equality in the eyes of the law?

I thought the Modi government would have the courage to bring up this issue but so far, like Rashmun correctly said, it lacks the backbone to go against vote bank politics. A real shame.

The BJP's motivation for not doing anything about the uniform civil code is different from the Congress's. BJP does not care about the muslim vote; it knows that by and large muslims will not vote for it.

The reason why BJP would like to maintain the status quo is because muslims not having a uniform civil code helps the BJP to continue stoking the fires of majority vs minority resentment, polarization, and communalism which inevitably helps  the BJP in winning elections.

BJP not taking any initiative on this issue (in terms of implementing the UCC immediately) because if it announced such a move, many people in India and abroad (including yourself and several Bollywood personalities) will scream that intolerance against minorities is on the rise in India and the nation's secularism (Indian brand of course) is threatened.

you are mistaken.genuine secularists, including myself, would rejoice if UCC is implemented. Even if i, and others, opposed implementation of UCC is this really sufficient reason for BJP not to implement UCC? Sounds like an excuse to me.

Instead of waiting for the BJP to take action on this matter so you guys can rejoice, why don't you ask the followers of religious laws to start a movement in support of the UCC and seek its implementation by the Govt. immediately?

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

The BJP's motivation for not doing anything about the uniform civil code is different from the Congress's. BJP does not care about the muslim vote; it knows that by and large muslims will not vote for it.

The reason why BJP would like to maintain the status quo is because muslims not having a uniform civil code helps the BJP to continue stoking the fires of majority vs minority resentment, polarization, and communalism which inevitably helps  the BJP in winning elections.

BJP not taking any initiative on this issue (in terms of implementing the UCC immediately) because if it announced such a move, many people in India and abroad (including yourself and several Bollywood personalities) will scream that intolerance against minorities is on the rise in India and the nation's secularism (Indian brand of course) is threatened.

you are mistaken.genuine secularists, including myself, would rejoice if UCC is implemented. Even if i, and others, opposed implementation of UCC is this really sufficient reason for BJP not to implement UCC? Sounds like an excuse to me.

Instead of waiting for the BJP to take action on this matter so you guys can rejoice, why don't you ask the followers of religious laws to start a movement in support of the UCC and seek its implementation by the Govt. immediately?

what i want is irrelevant. this is a fight which liberal muslims have to fight. and the fight has begun:

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/abolish-personal-laws-patriarchy-remains-deaf-to-the-qurans-call-for-justice-equality-and-compassion/

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i am re-posting the part of my earlier post which you conveniently snipped out:

The real reason BJP will not implement UCC is because it suits the BJP to let muslims continue to have their own civil laws since that helps to create resentment and polarization against the muslims in keeping with the BJP's communal propaganda tactics.