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Post by Guest Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:02 am

Modi said, when we look at these artefacts, we realise how much our ancestors had mastered the science and arts. In India we have archaeological digs, we find such artefacts. He added, governments and laws have become more alert about trafficking of cultural artefacts and are working to prevent it.

While citing an example he said, “Medical science's history isn’t old, as I remember seeing a slide of 700 year old stone engraved showing a woman with embryo in womb which means 700 years back surgery was done, much earlier than what our medical history goes back to”.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/070616/modi-in-us-united-states-returns-more-than-200-stolen-artefacts-back-to-india.html

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This fool is clearly ignorant about the Susruta Samhita or even the Charaka Samhita.

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Rashmun wrote:Modi said, when we look at these artefacts, we realise how much our ancestors had mastered the science and arts. In India we have archaeological digs, we find such artefacts. He added, governments and laws have become more alert about trafficking of cultural artefacts and are working to prevent it.

While citing an example he said, “Medical science's history isn’t old, as I remember seeing a slide of 700 year old stone engraved showing a woman with embryo in womb which means 700 years back surgery was done, much earlier than what our medical history goes back to”.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/070616/modi-in-us-united-states-returns-more-than-200-stolen-artefacts-back-to-india.html

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This fool is clearly ignorant about the Susruta Samhita or even the Charaka Samhita.

and let's not even get started about ancient Greek Medicine, ancient Chinese medicine, etc.

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Post by goodcitizn Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:23 am

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Rashmun wrote:Modi said, when we look at these artefacts, we realise how much our ancestors had mastered the science and arts. In India we have archaeological digs, we find such artefacts. He added, governments and laws have become more alert about trafficking of cultural artefacts and are working to prevent it.

While citing an example he said, “Medical science's history isn’t old, as I remember seeing a slide of 700 year old stone engraved showing a woman with embryo in womb which means 700 years back surgery was done, much earlier than what our medical history goes back to”.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/070616/modi-in-us-united-states-returns-more-than-200-stolen-artefacts-back-to-india.html

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This fool is clearly ignorant about the Susruta Samhita or even the Charaka Samhita.

and let's not even get started about ancient Greek Medicine, ancient Chinese medicine, etc.
Not even half as embarrassing as it was for Indians when Morarji Desai, as the PM, went on 60 Minutes to discuss urine therapy with his habit of drinking a glass of his own urine daily.

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Post by SomeProfile Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:06 pm

Here is a quote from Morarji Desai's 60 Minutes interview:

Desai: No. It is not a strange practice. In America scientists are preparing extracts from urine for heart trouble. You probably don't know that.

Rather: No, I didn't know that.

Desai: They are doing it. So your people are drinking other people's urine but not their own. And it costs dollars, thousands of dollars, while, their's is free and more effective.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:25 pm

SomeProfile wrote:Here is a quote from Morarji Desai's 60 Minutes interview:

Desai: No. It is not a strange practice. In America scientists are preparing extracts from urine for heart trouble. You probably don't know that.

Rather: No, I didn't know that.

Desai: They are doing it. So your people are drinking other people's urine but not their own. And it costs dollars, thousands of dollars, while, their's is free and more effective.
Yeah, CONMen drink the sacred urine of Pappu and Soonya on a daily basis........

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Post by Hellsangel Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:29 pm

SomeProfile wrote:Here is a quote from Morarji Desai's 60 Minutes interview:

Desai: No. It is not a strange practice. In America scientists are preparing extracts from urine for heart trouble. You probably don't know that.

Rather: No, I didn't know that.

Desai: They are doing it. So your people are drinking other people's urine but not their own. And it costs dollars, thousands of dollars, while, their's is free and more effective.
Is the underlined part documented somewhere? Other than MD's statement that is.
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:38 pm

Morarji was PM of India for just two years. nobody takes him seriously these days. nobody talks about him except with scorn. so the comparison is not quite apt.

Why not compare NaMo with a former PM of India who governed for a long time and who NaMo's party clearly dislikes and criticizes fairly regularly:

http://www.news18.com/news/politics/nehrus-nation-building-idea-was-based-on-junking-old-values-amit-shah-1252617.html

can you imagine Nehru committing these mistakes related to historical facts? Can you imagine Nehru talking rubbish like the fact that brain transplant and genetics was known to Indians a long time ago?

As proof, Narendra Modi gave the examples of the warrior Karna from the Sanskrit epic Mahabharata and of the elephant-headed Hindu god Ganesha.

“We can feel proud of what our country achieved in medical science at one point of time,” the prime minister told a gathering of doctors and other professionals at a hospital in Mumbai on Saturday. “We all read about Karna in the Mahabharata. If we think a little more, we realise that the Mahabharata says Karna was not born from his mother’s womb. This means that genetic science was present at that time. That is why Karna could be born outside his mother’s womb.”

Modi went on: “We worship Lord Ganesha. There must have been some plastic surgeon at that time who got an elephant’s head on the body of a human being and began the practice of plastic surgery.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/indian-prime-minister-genetic-science-existed-ancient-times

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It is India's misfortune that the most powerful person in the country today is a charlatan who lacks basic knowledge of science and history.

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Post by goodcitizn Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:20 pm

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Rashmun wrote:Morarji was PM of India for just two years. nobody takes him seriously these days. nobody talks about him except with scorn. so the comparison is not quite apt.

Why not compare NaMo with a former PM of India who governed for a long time and who NaMo's party clearly dislikes and criticizes fairly regularly:

http://www.news18.com/news/politics/nehrus-nation-building-idea-was-based-on-junking-old-values-amit-shah-1252617.html

can you imagine Nehru committing these mistakes related to historical facts? Can you imagine Nehru talking rubbish like the fact that brain transplant and genetics was known to Indians a long time ago?

As proof, Narendra Modi gave the examples of the warrior Karna from the Sanskrit epic Mahabharata and of the elephant-headed Hindu god Ganesha.

“We can feel proud of what our country achieved in medical science at one point of time,” the prime minister told a gathering of doctors and other professionals at a hospital in Mumbai on Saturday. “We all read about Karna in the Mahabharata. If we think a little more, we realise that the Mahabharata says Karna was not born from his mother’s womb. This means that genetic science was present at that time. That is why Karna could be born outside his mother’s womb.”

Modi went on: “We worship Lord Ganesha. There must have been some plastic surgeon at that time who got an elephant’s head on the body of a human being and began the practice of plastic surgery.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/indian-prime-minister-genetic-science-existed-ancient-times

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It is India's misfortune that the most powerful person in the country today is a charlatan who lacks basic knowledge of science and history.
The comparison is apt as Namo has also been the PM for two years like Moranji.

Of course, Namo's comments about genetics wrt Karna and plastic surgery regarding Ganesha are bizarre and inane. Those doctors must have laughed their asses off.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:50 pm

Compare that to Justin Trudeau's smart remarks about quantum computing.
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Post by southindian Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:15 am

Upadhyay,

Forget Modi, you Um Bare-your-ass everytime you make idiotic statements here.

Not sure how you come to stupid conclusions you always make.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:54 am

southindian wrote:Upadhyay,

Forget Modi, you Um Bare-your-ass everytime you make idiotic statements here.

Not sure how you come to stupid conclusions you always make.
You mean.....  Upadullah?

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Post by Guest Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:16 am

During the previous Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government, then Human Resources Development Minister Murli Manohar Joshi asked the University Grants Commission to issue a circular to all universities stating that they should start a degree course in astrology. For this, he said, a special grant would be given. My colleague Chandana Chakrabarti and I filed a writ petition in the Supreme Court challenging this dispensation. Our lawyer was Prashant Bhushan. The petition was admitted but was eventually dismissed (as could be expected), for belief in astrology — which is totally unscientific and irrational and has been repeatedly shown to be a myth — is widespread, with those who dispense justice also not being immune to it. Not one scientist came forward in support of us; nor did any of the six national science academies we have, on which a substantial amount of public funds are spent every year. Our supporters, who even sent us unsolicited funds to fight the case, were all non-scientists. In fact, recognising the above inadequacies of our science academies and their insensitivity to science-related social problems in general, I resigned from the fellowship of three of our science academies in 1993.

The second example would be the silence of our scientists and the six science academies when, last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while addressing a group of scientists in Mumbai, claimed that organ transplantation was known in ancient India — he gave Ganesha with his elephant head and human torso as an example.

The third example would be the much publicised symposium on “Ancient Sciences through Sanskrit” at the 102nd Indian Science Congress in Mumbai, which was held earlier this month. At this meeting, it was said that India had jumbo aircraft (60 x 60 feet; in some cases 200 feet long) that flew between continents and planets 9,000 years ago (some 4,500 years before Harappa and Mohenjo-daro). Not only that, it was also claimed that we had a radar system better than the present one, based on the principle that every animate or inanimate object emits energy all the time. And in the 21st century, “fusion of science and spirituality will happen because of the law of inter-penetration,” it was said. I doubt if any serious academic would have heard of this law which would not make any sense. These and many other absurd claims made at the symposium were an insult to the several real scientific accomplishments of ancient and medieval India.

None of our so-called scientists of note and scientific academies has raised a voice against these claims. Surely, the distinguished scientists who organised the Science Congress knew what was likely to be said at the symposium, but, perhaps, they believed in it all or were pressurised politically. Therefore, there is a strong case for the annual Indian Science Congress to be banned (as I also argued in my article in The Hindu, “Why the Indian Science Congress meets should be stopped” (Open Page, September 30, 1997), or its name to be changed to Indian Anti-science Congress.

As regards the science academies, they can easily be wound up without any damage being caused to Indian science. India has not produced any Nobel Prize winner in science in the last 85 years – largely because of the lack of a scientific environment in the country, of which scientific temper would be an important component.


http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/scientists-without-a-scientific-temper/article6794464.ece

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Post by pravalika nanda Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:50 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Compare that to Justin Trudeau's smart remarks about quantum computing.
not sure that is a fair comparison.  they might both be world leaders but one clearly had no or minimal formal education and poor parenting. in modi's case that vacuum was filled by too many mythologies and religiosity. in spite of that he functions okay...like campaigning, talking to the press and with world leaders and dressing well. JT is not a natural leader, he was inheriting the role from his dad.

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Post by pravalika nanda Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:57 pm

SomeProfile wrote:Here is a quote from Morarji Desai's 60 Minutes interview:

Desai: No. It is not a strange practice. In America scientists are preparing extracts from urine for heart trouble. You probably don't know that.

Rather: No, I didn't know that.

Desai: They are doing it. So your people are drinking other people's urine but not their own. And it costs dollars, thousands of dollars, while, their's is free and more effective.
apparently jd salinger and maddona also do stuff with their urine.
i can't believe this stupid guy desai did that and is so clueless as to discuss it on 60 mins. i also wonder why a well-regarded reporter would discuss that as if there were no important issues to discuss with an indina PM.  i suspect those were the days india's image was one of snake charmers and hippies. shame on DR too.

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Post by pravalika nanda Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:01 pm

can't find that Desai and DR video.

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Post by goodcitizn Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:03 am

pravalika nanda wrote:
SomeProfile wrote:Here is a quote from Morarji Desai's 60 Minutes interview:

Desai: No. It is not a strange practice. In America scientists are preparing extracts from urine for heart trouble. You probably don't know that.

Rather: No, I didn't know that.

Desai: They are doing it. So your people are drinking other people's urine but not their own. And it costs dollars, thousands of dollars, while, their's is free and more effective.
apparently jd salinger and maddona also do stuff with their urine.
i can't believe this stupid guy desai did that and is so clueless as to discuss it on 60 mins. i also wonder why a well-regarded reporter would discuss that as if there were no important issues to discuss with an indina PM.  i suspect those were the days india's image was one of snake charmers and hippies. shame on DR too.
Before you blame Dan Rather, see how Moranji talked about urine therapy as if every Indian mother was into it and it was a Hindu custom.

http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MORARJI-DESAI-ON-CBS-EVENING-NEWS-WITH-DAN-RATHER.rtf

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