Kashmir crisis

Four days into the unrest in Kashmir, 30 are dead, and prime minister Narendra Modi has not had a word to say. On foreign shores, he’s playing drums and tweeting birthday greetings.

It doesn’t have to be this way. In crisis, there is opportunity. No politician knows this better than Modi. A newly-appointed chief minister in 2001, Modi used the Bhuj earthquake to rebuild Gujarat and build his own image as that of a leader who could deliver.

Modi has always claimed a strong will and vision. He likes to use the word “first” a lot. Nothing he does, he makes sure to tell us, has ever been done before. So, if that is how he looks at the Kashmir crisis, then he may have an opportunity at hand to end the state’s cycle of violence.

With a full majority, Modi’s better placed to do that than any other prime minister since 1989—which is when, incidentally, the armed rebellion in Kashmir began.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Four days into the unrest in Kashmir, 30 are dead, and prime minister Narendra Modi has not had a word to say. On foreign shores, he’s playing drums and tweeting birthday greetings.

It doesn’t have to be this way. In crisis, there is opportunity. No politician knows this better than Modi. A newly-appointed chief minister in 2001, Modi used the Bhuj earthquake to rebuild Gujarat and build his own image as that of a leader who could deliver.

Modi has always claimed a strong will and vision. He likes to use the word “first” a lot. Nothing he does, he makes sure to tell us, has ever been done before. So, if that is how he looks at the Kashmir crisis, then he may have an opportunity at hand to end the state’s cycle of violence.

With a full majority, Modi’s better placed to do that than any other prime minister since 1989—which is when, incidentally, the armed rebellion in Kashmir began.

http://qz.com/729460/in-kashmir-crisis-an-opportunity-for-narendra-modi/

Handling of this issue shows the stark difference between Obama and Modi, Obama was away too when Dallas incident occurred; this pretty much proves that Modi can never be a leader of national stature let alone dreaming of being an international leader.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Four days into the unrest in Kashmir, 30 are dead, and prime minister Narendra Modi has not had a word to say. On foreign shores, he’s playing drums and tweeting birthday greetings.

It doesn’t have to be this way. In crisis, there is opportunity. No politician knows this better than Modi. A newly-appointed chief minister in 2001, Modi used the Bhuj earthquake to rebuild Gujarat and build his own image as that of a leader who could deliver.

Modi has always claimed a strong will and vision. He likes to use the word “first” a lot. Nothing he does, he makes sure to tell us, has ever been done before. So, if that is how he looks at the Kashmir crisis, then he may have an opportunity at hand to end the state’s cycle of violence.

With a full majority, Modi’s better placed to do that than any other prime minister since 1989—which is when, incidentally, the armed rebellion in Kashmir began.

http://qz.com/729460/in-kashmir-crisis-an-opportunity-for-narendra-modi/

Handling of this issue shows the stark difference between Obama and Modi, Obama was away too when Dallas incident occurred; this pretty much proves that Modi can never be a leader of national stature let alone dreaming of being an international leader.

In Dallas, it was a killing between whites and blacks.

In Kashmir, it was between separatists propped up by your favorite country, PakiSatan, arising out of a killing of a terrorist.  If you dont know the difference then you should start with Government 101.

I agree Modi should resign. Sonia should come to power, and award Bharat Ratna to Wani.

silvermani wrote:Obummer tried to be an international leader ordering the Brits to "vote Bremain or else" but got bitch-slapped by the voters there. His attempt at international leadership failed miserably. He hasn't done too well at home either. He has made the racial divide problem worse with his partisan comments. He doesn't let go of any shooting tragedy to peddle his no guns policy in the US, while at the same time raining guns and weaponry on foreign shores, resulting in the deaths of civilians, women and children. This hypocrite should return his nobel peace prize.(yeah, remember that?)

garam_kuta wrote:

silvermani wrote:Obummer tried to be an international leader ordering the Brits to "vote Bremain or else" but got bitch-slapped by the voters there. His attempt at international leadership failed miserably. He hasn't done too well at home either. He has made the racial divide problem worse with his partisan comments. He doesn't let go of any shooting tragedy to peddle his no guns policy in the US, while at the same time raining guns and weaponry on foreign shores, resulting in the deaths of civilians, women and children. This hypocrite should return his nobel peace prize.(yeah, remember that?)

so startling..how disappointing that he ain't no mahatma interestingly, the man who has been uniquely called mahatma had very similar issues at one time or the other - I bet the father of the nation was not given 'best dad ever' badge on father's day at home by the family,  and of course, he too ain't no Dag Hammarskjöld to bag the prize

silvermani wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:

silvermani wrote:Obummer tried to be an international leader ordering the Brits to "vote Bremain or else" but got bitch-slapped by the voters there. His attempt at international leadership failed miserably. He hasn't done too well at home either. He has made the racial divide problem worse with his partisan comments. He doesn't let go of any shooting tragedy to peddle his no guns policy in the US, while at the same time raining guns and weaponry on foreign shores, resulting in the deaths of civilians, women and children. This hypocrite should return his nobel peace prize.(yeah, remember that?)

so startling..how disappointing that he ain't no mahatma interestingly, the man who has been uniquely called mahatma had very similar issues at one time or the other - I bet the father of the nation was not given 'best dad ever' badge on father's day at home by the family,  and of course, he too ain't no Dag Hammarskjöld to bag the prize

It is true that Gandhi wasn't the best dad, but Gandhi the dad vs Gandhi the politician/statesman is a different comparison than Obummer the gun control advocate for the US vs Obummer the weapons supplier to merchants of death abroad.

Kayalvizhi wrote:>>>>
ah...like gandhi 'abusing' his wife, beating her for not cleaning the toilet, but in public he advocated equality and pushed for their rights ?
<<<<<

Gandhi is a charlatan, a hypocrite. Whenever the British government shot at protesters, he would shout against it, organize marches, organize fasts. When Rajaji, the Congress Prime Minister of Madras Presidency ordered shooting of anti-Hindi protesters in 1939, he did not say a word against it. Why not? Is Tamil blood cheap?

Srinagar: Fourteen-year-old Insha Malik lies unconscious in the surgical ICU of the Sri Maharaja Hari Singh (SMHS) hospital in Srinagar, her eyes pierced by pellets. The damage caused to her vision, according to a doctor attending her, is irreparable.

“Her right eye has been ruptured and her left eye is lacerated. She will be blind in both eyes for her entire life,” said the doctor.

Among the toppers in her school at Sedow village in Shopian district, the class 9 student is the latest pellet-victim admitted to the SMHS hospital where hundreds of civilians – mostly teenagers injured in action by security forces in the wake of July 8 killing of militant commander Burhan Muzaffar Wani – are recuperating.

According to Vakil Ahmad, her cousin, Insha was having dinner at home on Tuesday evening when the pellets fired outside by security forces personnel came inside the kitchen and hit the teenage student in her face.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Srinagar: Fourteen-year-old Insha Malik lies unconscious in the surgical ICU of the Sri Maharaja Hari Singh (SMHS) hospital in Srinagar, her eyes pierced by pellets. The damage caused to her vision, according to a doctor attending her, is irreparable.

“Her right eye has been ruptured and her left eye is lacerated. She will be blind in both eyes for her entire life,” said the doctor.

Among the toppers in her school at Sedow village in Shopian district, the class 9 student is the latest pellet-victim admitted to the SMHS hospital where hundreds of civilians – mostly teenagers injured in action by security forces in the wake of July 8 killing of militant commander Burhan Muzaffar Wani – are recuperating.

According to Vakil Ahmad, her cousin, Insha was having dinner at home on Tuesday evening when the pellets fired outside by security forces personnel came inside the kitchen and hit the teenage student in her face.

http://thewire.in/51740/kashmir-young-paying-governments-lack-vision/

Propagandhi711 wrote:comrade will x-post articles about suffering of islamic innocents but will keep mum on suffering of their victims in bombings, vehicular mowing downs, knifings, beheadings, shootings etc. not a word.

Propagandhi711 wrote:comrade will x-post articles about suffering of islamic innocents but will keep mum on suffering of their victims in bombings, vehicular mowing downs, knifings, beheadings, shootings etc. not a word.

Kayalvizhi wrote:>>>>
ah...like gandhi 'abusing' his wife, beating her for not cleaning the toilet, but in public he advocated equality and pushed for their rights ?
<<<<<

Gandhi is a charlatan, a hypocrite. Whenever the British government shot at protesters, he would shout against it, organize marches, organize fasts. When Rajaji, the Congress Prime Minister of Madras Presidency ordered shooting of anti-Hindi protesters in 1939, he did not say a word against it. Why not? Is Tamil blood cheap?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:comrade will x-post articles about suffering of islamic innocents but will keep mum on suffering of their victims in bombings, vehicular mowing downs, knifings, beheadings, shootings etc. not a word.

I guess it is no big-deal that nearly 100 people have gone blind due to the indiscriminate use of pellet guns by the law enforcement/army.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:comrade will x-post articles about suffering of islamic innocents but will keep mum on suffering of their victims in bombings, vehicular mowing downs, knifings, beheadings, shootings etc. not a word.

I guess it is no big-deal that nearly 100 people have gone blind due to the indiscriminate use of pellet guns by the law enforcement/army.

The separatist leaders in K get paid by Pakis to create mischief, they send their kids abroad to study and ask local kids in K to throw stones at the security forces. 

Rajnath Singh is doing the right thing. Next time, the kids will flee if they see the security personnel and the Pakis will have tough time getting their dirty work done by the separatists (they are cowards, - they don't go and face the security forces or sacrifice their own kids).

May be, CD, Doggy, Pappu, Varadarajan, Arundirty Rai,Burkhs Dutt and Vir Singhvi will volunteer to face the bullets and pellets.......

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
May be, CD, Doggy, Pappu, Varadarajan, Arundirty Rai,Burkhs Dutt and Vir Singhvi will volunteer to face the bullets and pellets.......

So, It is just fine to kill/harm our own citizens (mostly innocent folks minding their business) in the name of Pakistan?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
May be, CD, Doggy, Pappu, Varadarajan, Arundirty Rai,Burkhs Dutt and Vir Singhvi will volunteer to face the bullets and pellets.......

So, It is just fine to kill/harm our own citizens (mostly innocent folks minding their business) in the name of Pakistan?

hahaha... you mean throwing stones and shooting at cops are "minding own business?" Of course that is what they are also claiming "doing Koranic business"


Question:  what do you suggest ? Let Kashmir separate ? Would like to hear from you.

Shah Faesal, the first Kashmiri to top the IAS exam, Friday said that “when a state kills and maims its own citizens, it’s self-injury and self-decimation of the worst sort”.

Faesal, who is currently posted as director, school education, Kashmir, also slammed TV news channels who ran his picture alongside that of militant commander Burhan Wani to make a comparison. “By juxtaposing my photos with the images of a slain militant commander, a section of national media has once again fallen back upon its conventional savagery that cashes on falsehoods, divides people and creates more hatred,’’ he wrote in a Facebook post.

“At a moment when Kashmir is mourning its dead, the propaganda and provocation being dished out from red and blue newsrooms is breeding more alienation and anger in Kashmir than what the Indian state can manage,” the IAS officer wrote, adding, “We have to steer safe from spoilers who want to set Kashmir valley on fire just for the sake of TRP.”

C: But Kashmir won't agree so easily. There seem to be massive stone-pelting protests on at the moment - against killing of a leader of the armed struggle there.

M: That? We know well how to deal with that. We just increase the numbers of security forces. It already is the world's topmost militarised zone. As long as we can convince the Indian people that these protesters are terrorists from Pakistan, we have nothing to bother.

C: But those protesters are not terrorists are they?

M: Did I say they were? You miss the point brother. I said that we only have to convince the Indian people that the Kashmiris are all terrorists... for that we have a good cooperative media who only give the government version. We just have a few troublemakers whom we can set right. On Kashmir even all our opposition parties are good fellows - whatever we do, they won't say a word against the government.

C: Dozens are dying, hundreds have been injured.

M: Some blood has to be spilt. But nothing to worry. See, I did not even have to cancel or cut short my Africa tour. Even during all the firings and killings in Kashmir, I was busy in South Africa spreading Mahatma Gandhi's message of non-violence. It is very important for the world to see me as a follower of the Mahatma - you see I still have to get over all those charges on me of mass killings in Gujarat in 2002. There are some human rights wallahs who go on and on after me.

C: But Modiji, you better do something about Kashmir.

M: Yes, yes, we have got some good suggestions from the Israelis. We are putting them into practice. We are trying some army settlements and some fortified Kashmiri Pandit settlements - how the Zionists did in Palestine.

If we manage to change the demography then we can definitely go for a referendum for Kashmiri self-determination. We can show that we also uphold the right to self-determination in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which we ratified in 1979.

Propagandhi711 wrote:comrade will x-post articles about suffering of islamic innocents but will keep mum on suffering of their victims in bombings, vehicular mowing downs, knifings, beheadings, shootings etc. not a word.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
May be, CD, Doggy, Pappu, Varadarajan, Arundirty Rai,Burkhs Dutt and Vir Singhvi will volunteer to face the bullets and pellets.......

So, It is just fine to kill/harm our own citizens (mostly innocent folks minding their business) in the name of Pakistan?

hahaha... you mean throwing stones and shooting at cops are "minding own business?" Of course that is what they are also claiming "doing Koranic business"


Question:  what do you suggest ? Let Kashmir separate ? Would like to hear from you.

https://such.forumotion.com/t35727-the-jnu-episode#214080

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
First you are comparing Telengana separation from AndhraP with kashmir leaving INDIA. Really? you don't see the difference? I am not sure who is the biggest idiot on this forum.

ok. Assume Kashmir is given independence or join PakiSatan/China....then answer the following questions  DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY:

1. What happens to the Kashmiri Pandits and the hindus still left in Kashmir?

2. What do you do with the 33% of Jammu muslims ?  

3. What do you do with the 46% muslims in Ladakh (they form the majority. You do know that...rite?

4. How do you guarantee that India will get any water from the 3 dams in Kashmir?

5. How do you guarantee that Violence will stop once Kashmir is let go?

6. what do you propose when the Jehadis - whose stated aim is to hoist the green flag atop the Red Fort - continue bombing outside Kashmir ?

I have more questions, but first answer these as many will laugh at your answers - if at all you dare to answer.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
First you are comparing Telengana separation from AndhraP with kashmir leaving INDIA. Really? you don't see the difference? I am not sure who is the biggest idiot on this forum.

ok. Assume Kashmir is given independence or join PakiSatan/China....then answer the following questions  DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY:

1. What happens to the Kashmiri Pandits and the hindus still left in Kashmir?

2. What do you do with the 33% of Jammu muslims ?  

3. What do you do with the 46% muslims in Ladakh (they form the majority. You do know that...rite?

4. How do you guarantee that India will get any water from the 3 dams in Kashmir?

5. How do you guarantee that Violence will stop once Kashmir is let go?

6. what do you propose when the Jehadis - whose stated aim is to hoist the green flag atop the Red Fort - continue bombing outside Kashmir ?

I have more questions, but first answer these as many will laugh at your answers - if at all you dare to answer.

Wasn't Bhutan a part of British-India?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
May be, CD, Doggy, Pappu, Varadarajan, Arundirty Rai,Burkhs Dutt and Vir Singhvi will volunteer to face the bullets and pellets.......

So, It is just fine to kill/harm our own citizens (mostly innocent folks minding their business) in the name of Pakistan?

hahaha... you mean throwing stones and shooting at cops are "minding own business?" Of course that is what they are also claiming "doing Koranic business"


Question:  what do you suggest ? Let Kashmir separate ? Would like to hear from you.

https://such.forumotion.com/t35727-the-jnu-episode#214080

Your answer:  

Where was this mofo when TeluguDrohi Sushma Swaraj voted for Andhra Pradesh bifurcation? If one has to use similar logic Kashmir should be seceded from India. That good for nothing state has been a drag on independent India so letting them go will help India immediately.

First you are comparing Telengana separation from AndhraP with kashmir leaving INDIA. Really? you don't see the difference? I am not sure who is the biggest idiot on this forum.

ok. Assume Kashmir is given independence or join PakiSatan/China....then answer the following questions  DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY:

1. What happens to the Kashmiri Pandits and the hindus still left in Kashmir?

2. What do you do with the 33% of Jammu muslims ?  

3. What do you do with the 46% muslims in Ladakh (they form the majority. You do know that...rite?

4. How do you guarantee that India will get any water from the 3 dams in Kashmir?

5. How do you guarantee that Violence will stop once Kashmir is let go?

6. what do you propose when the Jehadis - whose stated aim is to hoist the green flag atop the Red Fort - continue bombing outside Kashmir ?

I have more questions, but first answer these as many will laugh at your answers - if at all you dare to answer.

rawemotions wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
So, It is just fine to kill/harm our own citizens (mostly innocent folks minding their business) in the name of Pakistan?

hahaha... you mean throwing stones and shooting at cops are "minding own business?" Of course that is what they are also claiming "doing Koranic business"


Question:  what do you suggest ? Let Kashmir separate ? Would like to hear from you.

https://such.forumotion.com/t35727-the-jnu-episode#214080

Your answer:  

Where was this mofo when TeluguDrohi Sushma Swaraj voted for Andhra Pradesh bifurcation? If one has to use similar logic Kashmir should be seceded from India. That good for nothing state has been a drag on independent India so letting them go will help India immediately.

First you are comparing Telengana separation from AndhraP with kashmir leaving INDIA. Really? you don't see the difference? I am not sure who is the biggest idiot on this forum.

ok. Assume Kashmir is given independence or join PakiSatan/China....then answer the following questions  DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY:

1. What happens to the Kashmiri Pandits and the hindus still left in Kashmir?

2. What do you do with the 33% of Jammu muslims ?  

3. What do you do with the 46% muslims in Ladakh (they form the majority. You do know that...rite?

4. How do you guarantee that India will get any water from the 3 dams in Kashmir?

5. How do you guarantee that Violence will stop once Kashmir is let go?

6. what do you propose when the Jehadis - whose stated aim is to hoist the green flag atop the Red Fort - continue bombing outside Kashmir ?

I have more questions, but first answer these as many will laugh at your answers - if at all you dare to answer.

It is quite apparent that the Indus water treaty gave all the waters to Pakistan and left very little for Indian state of J&K. None of the so called Separatists have the guts (at least in recent years) to ask for Pakistan to re-negotiate Indus Water treaty for more water to be given for the residents of the state of J&K in India.

None of these guys, raise any issue of the discrimination and demographic invasion of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

Most are Hypocrites who let Snakes (terrorism and the background of  Political Islamist ideology) in and don't know how to send it out. The majority are Sufi's but the prevailing ideology among the young (thanks to the madrassas) and education system appears to be Political Islamist. 

We are seeing a similar situation in Assam, Bengal, Hyderabad and Kerala. There needs to be a complete reform of the syllabus used in the Madrassa and islamic Faith schools. It needs to be supervised and regulated. At least Bangladesh woke up and they are looking into  the so called Peace schools started by Zakir Naik.

Hellsangel wrote:On the other hand Sikkim joined India, Comrade.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:On the other hand Sikkim joined India, Comrade.

Bhutan, Sikkim, Kashmir, Hyderabad etc., were all princely states under British Raj at one point or another

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:On the other hand Sikkim joined India, Comrade.

Bhutan, Sikkim, Kashmir, Hyderabad etc., were all princely states under British Raj at one point or another

Wrong, Comrade. Bhutan was never a part of India. Colonial or otherwise. Like your Biryani author needs a geography lesson, you need a history lesson, Comrade, instead of making up your own facts.

PS: I can see you are desperately flailing to draw a parallel between Kashmir and Bhutan.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:On the other hand Sikkim joined India, Comrade.

Bhutan, Sikkim, Kashmir, Hyderabad etc., were all princely states under British Raj at one point or another

Wrong, Comrade. Bhutan was never a part of India. Colonial or otherwise. Like your Biryani author needs a geography lesson, you need a history lesson, Comrade, instead of making up your own facts.

PS: I can see you are desperately flailing to draw a parallel between Kashmir and Bhutan.

Let's not get into semantics; in 1947, Bhutan had a choice to join the union, just like Kashmir or Hyderabad, the difference was, India did not decide to invade Bhutan like it did with other princely states.

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:On the other hand Sikkim joined India, Comrade.

Bhutan, Sikkim, Kashmir, Hyderabad etc., were all princely states under British Raj at one point or another

Wrong, Comrade. Bhutan was never a part of India. Colonial or otherwise. Like your Biryani author needs a geography lesson, you need a history lesson, Comrade, instead of making up your own facts.

PS: I can see you are desperately flailing to draw a parallel between Kashmir and Bhutan.

Let's not get into semantics; in 1947, Bhutan had a choice to join the union, just like Kashmir or Hyderabad, the difference was, India did not decide to invade Bhutan like it did with other princely states.

Please post a link, Comrade,  that shows the 'choice they were given'. Wikipedia?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Bhutan, Sikkim, Kashmir, Hyderabad etc., were all princely states under British Raj at one point or another

Wrong, Comrade. Bhutan was never a part of India. Colonial or otherwise. Like your Biryani author needs a geography lesson, you need a history lesson, Comrade, instead of making up your own facts.

PS: I can see you are desperately flailing to draw a parallel between Kashmir and Bhutan.

Let's not get into semantics; in 1947, Bhutan had a choice to join the union, just like Kashmir or Hyderabad, the difference was, India did not decide to invade Bhutan like it did with other princely states.

Please post a link, Comrade,  that shows the 'choice they were given'. Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_Bhutan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Punakha wrote:Under the Treaty of Punakha, Britain guaranteed Bhutan's independence, granted Bhutanese Royal Government an increased stipend, and took control ofBhutanese foreign relations. Although this treaty began the practice of delegating Bhutanese foreign relations to another suzerain, the treaty also affirmedBhutanese independence as one of the few Asian kingdoms never conquered by a regional or colonial power.^[2][3]

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:
Wrong, Comrade. Bhutan was never a part of India. Colonial or otherwise. Like your Biryani author needs a geography lesson, you need a history lesson, Comrade, instead of making up your own facts.

PS: I can see you are desperately flailing to draw a parallel between Kashmir and Bhutan.

Let's not get into semantics; in 1947, Bhutan had a choice to join the union, just like Kashmir or Hyderabad, the difference was, India did not decide to invade Bhutan like it did with other princely states.

Please post a link, Comrade,  that shows the 'choice they were given'. Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_Bhutan

Like I said, Comrade. The very first fallacy in that article is where it states

"In August 1947, Bhutan gained independence from British empire"


Bhutan was never part of the British empire to start with. So please stop making up history to suit your opinions. Wikipedia contradicts itself in another article from the one you posted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bhutan

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Let's not get into semantics; in 1947, Bhutan had a choice to join the union, just like Kashmir or Hyderabad, the difference was, India did not decide to invade Bhutan like it did with other princely states.

Please post a link, Comrade,  that shows the 'choice they were given'. Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_Bhutan

Like I said, Comrade. The very first fallacy in that article is where it states

"In August 1947, Bhutan gained independence from British empire"


Bhutan was never part of the British empire to start with. So please stop making up history to suit your opinions. Wikipedia contradicts itself in another article from the one you posted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bhutan

http://ipajournal.com/2009/11/13/bhutans-independence-day/

SRINAGAR, INDIA — Authorities in Indian-controlled Kashmir seized newspapers and shut down cable television on Saturday, aiming to quell a flare up of tensions in the region after violent protests over the killing of a separatist commander by security forces.

About 36 people have been killed and 3,100 wounded, most of them by police fire, in the worst outbreak of violence in six years in the disputed territory also claimed by India’s archrival Pakistan.

Abdul Rashid Mukhdoomi, printer and publisher of Kashmir valley’s largest circulated daily, Greater Kashmir, said police raided his printing press at 2 a.m. and “took away all the newspapers that were printed and the printing was also stopped.”

“We were not handed over any order under which the printing and circulation of our newspapers were stopped,” he said.

Cable TV networks across Kashmir remain shut.

Amjad Noor, owner of Site Entertainment Network, which runs a cable network in Srinagar, told Reuters that police ordered his organization to shut down operations Friday night.

Javed rubbishes this instantly, "When our children learn speaking, the first thing that they say on their own is 'azadi'. No one pays us."

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
First you are comparing Telengana separation from AndhraP with kashmir leaving INDIA. Really? you don't see the difference? I am not sure who is the biggest idiot on this forum.

ok. Assume Kashmir is given independence or join PakiSatan/China....then answer the following questions  DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY:

1. What happens to the Kashmiri Pandits and the hindus still left in Kashmir?

2. What do you do with the 33% of Jammu muslims ?  

3. What do you do with the 46% muslims in Ladakh (they form the majority. You do know that...rite?

4. How do you guarantee that India will get any water from the 3 dams in Kashmir?

5. How do you guarantee that Violence will stop once Kashmir is let go?

6. what do you propose when the Jehadis - whose stated aim is to hoist the green flag atop the Red Fort - continue bombing outside Kashmir ?

I have more questions, but first answer these as many will laugh at your answers - if at all you dare to answer.

Wasn't Bhutan a part of British-India?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
First you are comparing Telengana separation from AndhraP with kashmir leaving INDIA. Really? you don't see the difference? I am not sure who is the biggest idiot on this forum.

ok. Assume Kashmir is given independence or join PakiSatan/China....then answer the following questions  DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY:

1. What happens to the Kashmiri Pandits and the hindus still left in Kashmir?

2. What do you do with the 33% of Jammu muslims ?  

3. What do you do with the 46% muslims in Ladakh (they form the majority. You do know that...rite?

4. How do you guarantee that India will get any water from the 3 dams in Kashmir?

5. How do you guarantee that Violence will stop once Kashmir is let go?

6. what do you propose when the Jehadis - whose stated aim is to hoist the green flag atop the Red Fort - continue bombing outside Kashmir ?

I have more questions, but first answer these as many will laugh at your answers - if at all you dare to answer.

Wasn't Bhutan a part of British-India?

Let us stick to Kashmir - the current crisis - according to you.

Can you answer my questions 1-6 ?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
First you are comparing Telengana separation from AndhraP with kashmir leaving INDIA. Really? you don't see the difference? I am not sure who is the biggest idiot on this forum.

ok. Assume Kashmir is given independence or join PakiSatan/China....then answer the following questions  DIRECTLY and BRIEFLY:

1. What happens to the Kashmiri Pandits and the hindus still left in Kashmir?

2. What do you do with the 33% of Jammu muslims ?  

3. What do you do with the 46% muslims in Ladakh (they form the majority. You do know that...rite?

4. How do you guarantee that India will get any water from the 3 dams in Kashmir?

5. How do you guarantee that Violence will stop once Kashmir is let go?

6. what do you propose when the Jehadis - whose stated aim is to hoist the green flag atop the Red Fort - continue bombing outside Kashmir ?

I have more questions, but first answer these as many will laugh at your answers - if at all you dare to answer.

Wasn't Bhutan a part of British-India?

Let us stick to Kashmir - the current crisis - according to you.

Can you answer my questions 1-6 ?

All those questions are irrelevant and kindergartenish. The share of budget allocated & war(s) expenditure on this useless state are not worth a thing, they come at an exorbitant cost to taxpayers.

A section of the media is doing the government's bidding by diverting attention from the government's poor handling of terrorism and public unrest in Kashmir, by diverting focus on "pseudo-liberals". The community of Indian liberals, already shrunk and threatened, is a sad target. Liberals are not responsible for Burhan Wani taking to the gun, or for the people of Kashmir rising up to hail and mourn a 22-year-old militant.

It's an old trick in the book: question the government and be discredited as anti-national. This is exactly what Indira Gandhi did. Accuse the dissenters of being one with foreign powers: for Indira Gandhi it was the United States, today it is good old Pakistan. If you so much as question the pellets blinding youth in Kashmir, you are with Pakistan. If you ask why the government isn't talking to separatists, you are with Pakistan. If you ask why the BJP-PDP alliance government is asking separatists to help quell the unrest, you are with Pakistan.

"They have no right to speak," screams the TV demagogue, taking political and intellectual disagreement across the Lakshman Rekha of fundamental rights.

We know where this narrative leads to. We have seen the Emergency of Indira Gandhi. It is not alarmist to say we could head that way. Unless we stem the madness of labelling all dissent as anti-national, we could soon be heading that way again. It is also not new that a section of the media plays collaborator in joining forces to murder democracy. This happened in the Emergency, too. Eminent names such as Khushwant Singh were justifying the suspension of democracy.

Attacking liberals for the government's failure in Kashmir is the creation of a blatant straw-man—a dangerous one. The space for debate and dialogue is being shrunk, and once the liberals are silenced with the excuse of national security, the path would be clear for an undeclared emergency.