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by swapna Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:13 pm
here's a talk by edward said, which you may enjoy listening to:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fVC8EYd_Z_g
I haven't finished listening to it myself, but soon shall.
said was a second-generation palestinian-american, a professor at columbia university, and a researcher, writer, and journalist. I think he is the founder of the field called orientalism.
homi k. bhaba of harvard university, who writes in incomphensible, pompous english - he's a runner-up of the bad writing contest - has taken many cues from said, but the latter is dedicated, sensible, and focused on observing, analyzing, and criticizing imperialists and imperialism.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fVC8EYd_Z_g
I haven't finished listening to it myself, but soon shall.
said was a second-generation palestinian-american, a professor at columbia university, and a researcher, writer, and journalist. I think he is the founder of the field called orientalism.
homi k. bhaba of harvard university, who writes in incomphensible, pompous english - he's a runner-up of the bad writing contest - has taken many cues from said, but the latter is dedicated, sensible, and focused on observing, analyzing, and criticizing imperialists and imperialism.
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by Guest Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:51 pm
thanks. i know edward said has been hugely influential and his 'Orientalism' in particular is considered a seminal work. Now i must say at the outset that i have not read 'Orientalism' and i have only seen a portion of his interview (at the link u gave) but i find Edward Said somewhat superficial in his analysis. Said claims his thesis of Orientalism is applicable also to India. And, instinctively, from whatever i know, i find this a superficial analysis. I am giving some material on a related topic that i enjoyed reading and with which i am in agreement with: The attitude of the British towards Indian culture. Said, from what i am able to understand, is focussed completely on the third phase described below and does not take into the account the first two phases.
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The attitude of the British Rulers towards Indian Culture
The attitude of the British rulers towards Indian culture passed through three historical phases.
The first phase was from about 1600 AD when the British came to India and established their settlements in Bombay, Madras and Calcutta as traders upto 1757 when the Battle of Plassey was fought. During that period the attitude of the British was totally indifferent towards Indian culture because they had come here as merchants to make money and they were not interested in Indian culture at all.
The second phase was from 1757 to 1857 AD i.e. upto the Sepoy mutiny. In 1757 the Battle of Plassey was fought after which the Diwani of Bengal was granted to the British by the Mughal emperor. This transformed the Britishers from merchants to rulers, after which the entire province of Bengal (which included Bihar and Orissa) came under their rule. A ruler has to know about his subjects in order to properly administer their territory. Hence, from 1757 to 1857, the Britishers carefully studied Indian culture and made some important contributions, particularly with respect to spread of knowledge of Indian culture to the West.
The third phase begins with the Indian mutiny of 1857 and its suppression by the British rulers. After 1857, the British were determined that there should not be any such outbreak against their rule. For this purpose they did two things (a) they increased their army in India and particularly the number of Europeans in the Indian Army, and also placed the artillery completely in the hands of Europeans artillery and (b) they started a policy of deliberately demoralizing the India people by spreading the propaganda that Indians were only a race of fools and savages before the British came into India and there was nothing worthwhile in Indian culture as it was the culture of fools and savages. This was deliberately done so that the Indian people may themselves start believing that they were an inferior race and should gladly accept the Britishers as their masters. It is because of the third phase that we had forgotten the great achievements of our ancestors, including their achievements in science.
It is the second phase mentioned above which is of particular interest, because it is in this period that the British carefully studied Indian culture.
Among such Britishers, the foremost was Sir William Jones who came to India in 1783 as a Judge of the Supreme Court of Calcutta. Sir William Jones was born in 1746 and he was a child prodigy who had mastered several languages such as Greek, Latin, Persian, Arabic, Hebrew etc. at a very young age. He had studied at Oxford University and had also passed his Bar examination to qualify as a lawyer. When he came to India he was told that there was an ancient Indian language called ‘Sanskrit’ and this aroused his curiosity and he became determined to study it. Consequently, he enquired and found a good teacher called Ram Lochan Kavi Bhushan – a poor Bengalee Brahman who lived in a dark and dingy room in a crowded locality in Calcutta. Sir William Jones started going to this person to learn Sanskrit. He has written in his memoirs that when the daily lesson was completed he would glance behind and saw the Bengalee Brahmin washing the floor where Sir William Jones sat to learn his lessons as he was regarded as a Mleccha. However, Sir William Jones was not insulted by this as he was a scholar and hence thought that one should accept the customs of the teacher.
Having mastered the Sanskrit language, Sir William Jones established the Asiatic Society in Calcutta and also translated many of the great Sanskrit works e.g. Abhigyan Shakuntalam into English. This work was brought to the notice of the great German scholar Goethe who greatly praised it. Sir William proved that Sanskrit was very close to Greek and Latin. In fact, it was closer to Greek than to Latin because Sanskrit has three numbers – singular, dual and plural as is the case with Greek, whereas Latin has only two numbers – singular and plural, like in English, Hindi and many other languages.
Thus, Sir William Jones established that Sanskrit, Greek and Latin were all descended from a common ancestor and he was the creator of modern comparative philology.
There were several other British scholars who did research in Indian culture, particularly during the second historical phase mentioned above, but it is not necessary to go into detail about it as it will take too much time.
Suffice it to say that these scholars were wonderstruck about the great achievements of Indian scholars whose works were all written in the Sanskrit language.
http://www.iisc.ernet.in/misc/bang_speech.html
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The attitude of the British Rulers towards Indian Culture
The attitude of the British rulers towards Indian culture passed through three historical phases.
The first phase was from about 1600 AD when the British came to India and established their settlements in Bombay, Madras and Calcutta as traders upto 1757 when the Battle of Plassey was fought. During that period the attitude of the British was totally indifferent towards Indian culture because they had come here as merchants to make money and they were not interested in Indian culture at all.
The second phase was from 1757 to 1857 AD i.e. upto the Sepoy mutiny. In 1757 the Battle of Plassey was fought after which the Diwani of Bengal was granted to the British by the Mughal emperor. This transformed the Britishers from merchants to rulers, after which the entire province of Bengal (which included Bihar and Orissa) came under their rule. A ruler has to know about his subjects in order to properly administer their territory. Hence, from 1757 to 1857, the Britishers carefully studied Indian culture and made some important contributions, particularly with respect to spread of knowledge of Indian culture to the West.
The third phase begins with the Indian mutiny of 1857 and its suppression by the British rulers. After 1857, the British were determined that there should not be any such outbreak against their rule. For this purpose they did two things (a) they increased their army in India and particularly the number of Europeans in the Indian Army, and also placed the artillery completely in the hands of Europeans artillery and (b) they started a policy of deliberately demoralizing the India people by spreading the propaganda that Indians were only a race of fools and savages before the British came into India and there was nothing worthwhile in Indian culture as it was the culture of fools and savages. This was deliberately done so that the Indian people may themselves start believing that they were an inferior race and should gladly accept the Britishers as their masters. It is because of the third phase that we had forgotten the great achievements of our ancestors, including their achievements in science.
It is the second phase mentioned above which is of particular interest, because it is in this period that the British carefully studied Indian culture.
Among such Britishers, the foremost was Sir William Jones who came to India in 1783 as a Judge of the Supreme Court of Calcutta. Sir William Jones was born in 1746 and he was a child prodigy who had mastered several languages such as Greek, Latin, Persian, Arabic, Hebrew etc. at a very young age. He had studied at Oxford University and had also passed his Bar examination to qualify as a lawyer. When he came to India he was told that there was an ancient Indian language called ‘Sanskrit’ and this aroused his curiosity and he became determined to study it. Consequently, he enquired and found a good teacher called Ram Lochan Kavi Bhushan – a poor Bengalee Brahman who lived in a dark and dingy room in a crowded locality in Calcutta. Sir William Jones started going to this person to learn Sanskrit. He has written in his memoirs that when the daily lesson was completed he would glance behind and saw the Bengalee Brahmin washing the floor where Sir William Jones sat to learn his lessons as he was regarded as a Mleccha. However, Sir William Jones was not insulted by this as he was a scholar and hence thought that one should accept the customs of the teacher.
Having mastered the Sanskrit language, Sir William Jones established the Asiatic Society in Calcutta and also translated many of the great Sanskrit works e.g. Abhigyan Shakuntalam into English. This work was brought to the notice of the great German scholar Goethe who greatly praised it. Sir William proved that Sanskrit was very close to Greek and Latin. In fact, it was closer to Greek than to Latin because Sanskrit has three numbers – singular, dual and plural as is the case with Greek, whereas Latin has only two numbers – singular and plural, like in English, Hindi and many other languages.
Thus, Sir William Jones established that Sanskrit, Greek and Latin were all descended from a common ancestor and he was the creator of modern comparative philology.
There were several other British scholars who did research in Indian culture, particularly during the second historical phase mentioned above, but it is not necessary to go into detail about it as it will take too much time.
Suffice it to say that these scholars were wonderstruck about the great achievements of Indian scholars whose works were all written in the Sanskrit language.
http://www.iisc.ernet.in/misc/bang_speech.html
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by Guest Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:24 am
Propagandhi711 wrote:
is the middle aged man in the painting Bruce, and the younger man yourself? You must enjoy getting fucked in your bum considering you found this painting so appealing.
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by Propagandhi711 Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:19 am
Rashmun wrote:Propagandhi711 wrote:
is the middle aged man in the painting Bruce, and the younger man yourself? You must enjoy getting fucked in your bum considering you found this painting so appealing.
that's you in the front and the pedophile1 cornholing ya...the age difference is depicted aptly. the constipated1 must be taking bluepills and you seem to be enjoying it
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by Guest Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:42 am
Propagandhi711 wrote:Rashmun wrote:Propagandhi711 wrote:
is the middle aged man in the painting Bruce, and the younger man yourself? You must enjoy getting fucked in your bum considering you found this painting so appealing.
that's you in the front and the pedophile1 cornholing ya...the age difference is depicted aptly. the constipated1 must be taking bluepills and you seem to be enjoying it
opinons vary. i look nothing like the guy in front. i think that's you in the front and your lover Bruce at the back.
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by garam_kuta Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:12 pm
my guess is that, all this fits well with the title 
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by Guest Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:21 pm
garam_kuta wrote:my guess is that, all this fits well with the title
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by garam_kuta Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:49 pm
Rashmun wrote:garam_kuta wrote:my guess is that, all this fits well with the title
hey we all get it ...you are his pu$$y..analyzed for ever
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Re: for rashmun: analyzing the analyzers
by Guest Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:01 pm
garam_kuta wrote:Rashmun wrote:garam_kuta wrote:my guess is that, all this fits well with the title
hey we all get it ...you are his pu$$y..analyzed for ever
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