To Maria

by MulaiAzhagi Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:58 pm

==> Do you think an anesthesiologist is qualified to deliver babies?

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:07 pm

Sure Azhagan, since they are doctors- they can handle normal vaginal deliveries (vertex presentations), and depending on training and experience they can manage other presentations. *However- if they do not have the skills..there can be problems, sometimes very serious complications.

Performing C-Sections- NO.

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:00 pm

Sara,

I wonder if you asked me about this, after reading about the very recent news of the horrific and public killing of Dr. Sethulakshmi in TamilNadu- by the enraged husband of the patient who died..due to her demanding a large sum of money and then botching the surgery. I only read the news..don't know this doctor's qualifications. Also read about many doctors who are on strike today in sympathy for their colleague.

The pics were quite gruesome in Facebook..it was a little shocking to see the angry comments against Doctors from so many Indians in Fb and other sites-there is so much anger- really rage against doctors for their demands and gross unethical practices today.

No one condone the killing of doctors, or such demands/gross malpractice by any doctor. Sad indeed.

by charvaka Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:04 pm

That story was shocking. I wonder if patients in India have any legal recourse in cases of medical malpractice. Could the man who murdered the doctor have instead sued the doctor for damages?

by indophile Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:34 pm

I did not read the story. Did it happen in some small town? In many small towns in India doctors do a variety of things, not just stick to their specialty. My cousin is a doctor in a small town and he treats almost all types of cases -- pregnancies, abortions, colds & fevers, people gored by porpupines or other animals, poisonous snake bites, rabid dog bites, some orthopedic cases (broken arms etc.), and so on. There may be some cases that are beyond his capability, and some may go bad because of non-availability of equipment. But there is no choice. Given the circumstances they do the best they can. However, if there is a money angle and greed involved, that's a shame.

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:43 pm

The simple answer is technically- Yes.

But as you know, the systems are very different there..and the court cases usually take years. There are no major Malpractice Insurance Coverage for individual doctors (to my knowledge). So, the damage-compensation/settlements have to come from the doctor-or Hospitals/Insts. they work.

Medical malpractice cases- contrary to popular belief are not easy to win (anywhere)- often it's one medical expert's testimony against another..and the cases are complex..settled out of court. In India- it would be even harder for poor people (like the auto driver husband in this case) to afford a good lawyer and go through the long legal process.

I recently went to a good (Civil) attorney for some property related matters. Did not realize how much they charge.esp. if something has to be done quickly. Some of the younger assistants-more recent grads of Madras Law College (will put in a plug for them!) work long hours and work hard. Was interesting to see clients lined up- paying big money..thousands and lakhs seems to be rather common utterances (thought only IT folks make that kind of money!)..things have changed indeed and lawyers have not been left behind:)

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:48 pm

Hello Mr. Indo!

Hope you are doing well.

You are right..general practice doctors do almost everything-except, for performing major surgeries. There are still many sincere doctors who do all they can..under difficult circumstances with limited resources..and often do save lives. In this case..without knowing the details, hard to tell. Unfortunately, often unreasonable demands seem to be the reality in these times.

by indophile Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:21 pm

It's good that you are here now Maria.

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:22 pm

Thank you Mr. Indo.

by Propagandhi711 Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:56 pm

with maria and saraboji here, could queerbee, toothseeker, sandilya and the other senior citizens be far behind? one thinks not. get your fill of fresh air as fast as you can coz the air's abt to get foul(er).

by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:06 pm

maria, what's your profile pic?

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:11 pm

Hello very young stranger!

Who are you? Have we met before? You know how we very,very old citizens are..our memories are highly selective:)

Nice to see you too Mr. Propa..you haven't lost your edge, I see! Can't do a pew, pew, pow, pow..may be just a soft meow:) Hope all is well you too. Enough time has gone by..I do hope all of us old friends unite now and then..here, there, somewhere make it all fragrant!

Every time I see Erin Burnett on CNN..think about you..she's more peppy these days too..with that news group new flick-flicking thing (like the Ipad) thing and all.

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:20 pm

Tracy,

It is what it is:) You can guess based on - what you can see!

by MulaiAzhagi Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:25 pm

Maria,

Dr. Sethulaksmi was an anesthesiologist. And she tried to treat a pregnant woman.

That is why I asked.

Even 40 years ago, there were doctors in India who first demanded to know whether the patient had any money before they would even consider to treat him or her.

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:56 pm

Sara,

I wondered, but was not sure, since you did not post any news links.

This is apparently not a delivery (as you had first asked me)..it's major surgery- attempting to remove a 25-week dead fetus..which only an OB/Gyn should do, but, again don't know all the specifics and circumstances in this case, which unfortunately ended in the tragic loss of two lives.

by MulaiAzhagi Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:37 pm

Maria,

Here is a link.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/nation/south/hacking-death-tn-doctor-was-not-even-qualified-operate-970

by MulaiAzhagi Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:39 pm

The victim's family now claims Dr. Sethulakshmi refused to touch the wailing, writhing Nithya until they remitted Rs 10,000 as deposit.

"She made us wait for two hours and attended to the girl only after her husband Mahesh brought the money," said Kanagalakshmi, Nithya’s mother-in-law.

===> Maria, this really sucks.

by Maria S Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:52 pm

Sara,

Thanks for the link.

If this is accurate, Dr. Sethulakshmi was obviously not qualified and trained to perform this surgery, showed poor judgment in even taking this case (Tuticorin is a large city- I would think there are hospitals with OB/GYNs to deal with emergencies), and as you say..it really more than sucks to see Doctors making demands for money while holding patients and their families hostage - in literally times of life and death.

On a diff. note..I was trying to edit a post, and clicked something by mistake and a green bar showed up in your title post! Not sure what to do- can you kindly delete it!

by Rekz Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:08 am

Hello Maria,

Finally you are on such Smile

Warm welcome & happy 2012 flower

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:11 am

charvaka wrote:That story was shocking. I wonder if patients in India have any legal recourse in cases of medical malpractice. Could the man who murdered the doctor have instead sued the doctor for damages?

Sure...by the time you win anything, half the family will die and all the money will be paid as bribe.

Haven't you heard of Govt. sancitoned relief checks providing the bankers a bonanza in bribe?

It is a VERY COMMON practice to demand money upfront on a daily basis from the relatives of ICU patients or surgery patients....

Despicable act.... especially, the Govt college docs are subsidized by 90% and Private college docs are subsidized by 90% of marks.

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:46 am

Hello Rekz!

Delighted to see you again Very Happy

!

Thank you very much for the warm welcome and happy 2012 to you too!

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:06 am

Maria S wrote:On a diff. note..I was trying to edit a post, and clicked something by mistake and a green bar showed up in your title post! Not sure what to do- can you kindly delete it!

oh that is quite ok maria. the green bar is the post voting meter. since you clicked "+", it has turned green (denoting a positive vote feedback). i will now click "-" and you will notice that the bar against the post will turn to half-green and half-red (denoting one positive and one negative vote feedbacks against that particular post).

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:16 am

Thank you HK!

I gave you a "+" for your kind response:)

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:23 am

ha ha. thanks! that takes my statistics to (your statistics are visible in your profile page -- click on your name anywhere):

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yours are:

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by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:27 am

oh, by the way, your online status is set to "unhidden." if you wish to hide your online status, go to profile --> preferences --> hide my online status. if you click on "memberlist" above, you will see the list of all users who have their online status set to "unhidden."

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:46 am

Oh..wow!

I feel like I am in the Pentagon..with so many codes to keep up with Laughing

! And a lot of monitoring..and data is being collected!

Nice to see all the positive votes..I guess some KGB double agents have not been around or infiltrated, yet:)

Seriously, understand and it's kind of fun! A request..if possible no voting (pos or neg). Don't think I can keep up with all of it..but, willing to learn some new stuff!

Thanks again HK flower

!

by MulaiAzhagi Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:33 pm

http://www.dinamalar.com/News_Detail.asp?Id=380024

Maria,

Please read the comments on Dinamalr. I do not balme the public for getting angry at the doctors in TN. RIP Dr. Sethulakshmi. But she should not have behaved that way.

BTW that auto driver must have really loved his wife very much.

To be honest, I do not blame him.

by Hellsangel Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:31 pm

Maria S wrote:Oh..wow!
I guess some KGB double agents have not been around or infiltrated, yet:)

Is it the 1980s all over again?

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:38 pm

Sara,

Thanks for the link. They seem to be similar to comments..in Fb, other sites and there are many cartoons about the greed of doctors- with little sympathy. Feel sorry for all of them in this story..apparently the driver and his wife had a lovely love story..kind of heartbreaking and understand the anguish, but can't condone killing of doctors.

*I do not anything about the personal life and lifestyle of Dr. Sethulakshmi. In general, when it comes to doctors and money (anywhere)- appearances can be very decieving. There is a lot of expectations to make more money from family- many are in debt and under enormous pressure to be financially competitive. Since I am a new member here (!) can't post links..there are several articles in recent days about how in the US the "secret" is out..doctors struggling- small medical businesses failing at record numbers.

For lady doctors, if they are married the understanding and support of a spouse is even more important when it comes money matters-professional choices..it makes all the difference.

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:51 pm

That's all? No hello, high-five, or Angelic welcome?

I could have said terrorist infiltration..did not want to overdo it:)

Good to see you HA.

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:53 pm

Maria S wrote:That's all? No hello, high-five, or Angelic welcome?

I could have said terrorist infiltration..did not want to overdo it:)

Good to see you HA.

he asked you a question!!! that's like a tier-1 treatment. tier-2 people just get a news link. tier-3 people get a youtube link. all the rest are unimportant.

by chameli Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:04 pm

MulaiAzhagi wrote:==> Do you think an anesthesiologist is qualified to deliver babies?

depends on the situation .

In an emergency anybody is qualified to deliver babies

did u see the movie " 3 idiots "? this college boy delivers a baby with a suction cup which he puts together ha ha

if u ask me who is more ....a midwife or an anesthesiologist I would say midwife .

all an anesthesiologist has delivered is 20 or 30 babies during his training and that too under total supervision

so to answer you ,he is NOT qualified enough .

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:43 pm

Tracy,

Thank you. I learn something new every day! Now the questions by distinguished fellow posters over the years makes sense!

I actually thought..the reverse is how its done..a special youtube video posting is a 5 star welcome/treatment, an all excited hello with emoticons is like 4 stars, a hello or acknowledgment with no emoticons is like 3 stars, a news link may be 2 stars, just a question is like 1 star or no stars!

by charvaka Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:46 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Maria S wrote:Oh..wow!
I guess some KGB double agents have not been around or infiltrated, yet:)

Is it the 1980s all over again?

Talking about the KGB, I saw Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy the other day. Good movie.

by charvaka Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:46 pm

Maria S wrote:Tracy,

Thank you. I learn something new every day! Now the questions by distinguished fellow posters over the years makes sense!

I actually thought..the reverse is how its done..a special youtube video posting is a 5 star welcome/treatment, an all excited hello with emoticons is like 4 stars, a hello or acknowledgment with no emoticons is like 3 stars, a news link may be 2 stars, just a question is like 1 star or no stars!

For regular angels, may be. Not for Hellsangels!

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:58 pm

Maria S wrote:Tracy,

Thank you. I learn something new every day! Now the questions by distinguished fellow posters over the years makes sense!

I actually thought..the reverse is how its done..a special youtube video posting is a 5 star welcome/treatment, an all excited hello with emoticons is like 4 stars, a hello or acknowledgment with no emoticons is like 3 stars, a news link may be 2 stars, just a question is like 1 star or no stars!

HA comes out of some sorta hibernation only to solve cryptics. If he is responding to your post, even if as a 1-line question, coz we all know, he rarely spills it to line #2, my guess is that he is excited like a puppy to see you. Or is it cat? whoever you like more. *shrug*

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:02 pm

I see..thanks Carvaka!

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:11 pm

Thank you Tracy!

You remembered the cat and dog people thing!

In that case..I am def. for the puppy- since they are more my kind..we dog people can't hide our excitement or enthusiasm! (and thank yous are like two wags!) And we're kind of loyal..most of the time, not bad friends to have around..when times are not so great.

Speaking of which..missed seeing that unique *shrug* of yours too..(three wags for that!) If there was an emoticon for wags will use that!

by Guest Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:53 pm

As long as you give a blue flower ( flower

) to the admin when you request it, the emoticons will come, but may not be that quick these days.

by Maria S Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:41 pm

Thanks Tracy.

It's nice to know that requests with flowers work here. Will keep that in mind.

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