Drop VVSL for Rohit - Manjrekar

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:58 pm

Do you agree?

It is a high risk to play Nohit Sharma for VVSL. If at all, I will fly in Pujara and include him for Kholi. Sure Nohit scored a triple in Ranji and Pujara has not. But, we talking high stakes and Pujara is technically purer and closer to Dravid and VVSL.

Manjrekar playing the Bombay Mafia game. If Ranji is the criterion, then Mukund should be in the playing XI the way he has been hammering other teams around.

Drop Sehwag and Kholi, and include rahane and who else is there?

Dhoni should be under the scope by now. The dude has not scored a century in tests for ages, and his lead from the front trait and aggressive calculations are gone. HE SHOULD BE LINED UP TO BE DROPPED AND DUMPED.

by truthbetold Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:33 pm

Rohit for Kohli is a fair batting trade. Kohli did not contribute. So harm if you put another body in that place. However, Kohli is a terrific fielder and My sense is Rohit is another guy with his hands in pocket.

If any one should be flown in, it should be a fast bowler . If Varun Aaron recovered, send him in. He could not do any worse than one wicket in 600 runs. Atleast he will get some taste of test cricket.

Sachin, Dravid and VVS are still the best India got. But they could only contribute 60s to 100s when India needed 200s to 300s. The tours of England and Australia are a sad ending to a glorious set of Indian Batsmen. Their history will be somewhat tarnished by this sad finish.

They gave India hope. I wish they light up Perth grounds once more and provide a fitting setting for their jourey end.

by Guest Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:39 pm

what about suresh raina?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:41 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Do you agree?

It is a high risk to play Nohit Sharma for VVSL. If at all, I will fly in Pujara and include him for Kholi. Sure Nohit scored a triple in Ranji and Pujara has not. But, we talking high stakes and Pujara is technically purer and closer to Dravid and VVSL.

Manjrekar playing the Bombay Mafia game. If Ranji is the criterion, then Mukund should be in the playing XI the way he has been hammering other teams around.

Drop Sehwag and Kholi, and include rahane and who else is there?

Dhoni should be under the scope by now. The dude has not scored a century in tests for ages, and his lead from the front trait and aggressive calculations are gone. HE SHOULD BE LINED UP TO BE DROPPED AND DUMPED.

the knives are out and usual VVS is the one facing the music. and as usual he is going to score two double hundreds in two test matches shutting the chatterati down.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:45 pm

in the same article, the well-known dravid hater says:

The increased dependence on Tendulkar after more than two decades is a sign of poverty."

so some years ago when tendulkar was woefully out of form the team had to rely on dravid pretty much solely and even as recently as the england tour when everyone whose name was not dravid sucked, it was ok to depend on dravid? but suddenly the increased dependence on tendulkar is a sign of poverty?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:56 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:in the same article, the well-known dravid hater says:

The increased dependence on Tendulkar after more than two decades is a sign of poverty."

so some years ago when tendulkar was woefully out of form the team had to rely on dravid pretty much solely and even as recently as the england tour when everyone whose name was not dravid sucked, it was ok to depend on dravid? but suddenly the increased dependence on tendulkar is a sign of poverty?

The only sensible suggestion that can and should be done is the one by :

"If you need to, play Dravid lower down and give the future No. 3 a go, maybe [Cheteshwar] Pujara. Play [Virender] Sehwag lower down if need be. Nothing is set in stone. We not only lack spirit and attitude but also the skill to adjust our technique. Our captain desperately needs ideas too."
Former India opener Chetan Chauhan

They should fly in Pujara. Rahane for Sehwag. Pujara for Dravid who will go in place of Kohli.

Dravid can handle the tailenders better than Dhoni. Donhi should move up and lead from the front and get some 100s to get SOME respect.

by truthbetold Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:11 pm

Let us not put Pujara on a pedestal. He did not set narmada on fire in the few matches he played after coming back. I agree he has some potential and he should get his chance.

The team that is Australia is the best that India could muster at this time. They have to be bold enough to swim or sink with group they have. Some shake up is good.

Suggestion that Dhoni should move up to give some attack is worthwhile. While recent form may suggest Rohit to be given a chance, but Rahane could open the Test with gambhir and Sehwag could go 1st down. Dhoni could go after tendulkar with dravid and Laxman following.

Ashwin could come earlier as he contributed more than the usual no.6 choice.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:14 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:in the same article, the well-known dravid hater says:

The increased dependence on Tendulkar after more than two decades is a sign of poverty."

so some years ago when tendulkar was woefully out of form the team had to rely on dravid pretty much solely and even as recently as the england tour when everyone whose name was not dravid sucked, it was ok to depend on dravid? but suddenly the increased dependence on tendulkar is a sign of poverty?

I concur. As much as I like Vengsarkar and as great as Sachin has been I don't think very many Indian cricket fans looked up at him to win us a test or bail us out in the fourth innings "Dependence on Sachin" is the overused rhetoric which is past sell-by date by 8-9 years

by truthbetold Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:27 pm

While Individual heroics do make a big difference in many cricketing situations, Cricket is still a team sport. sachin is very much aware of that and he tried to contribute as much as he can.

One should confuse a cricket writer's view of sachin as the view of Sachin himself. He is still a contributor and he is in good touch in this series. His failure is that he did not deliver 200 or 300 that is required to get this Indian team out of this slump. A great batsmen need to deliver those great innings and sachin in his twilight years could not deliver those great innings.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:56 pm

my post citing vengsarkar's comment was not at all about tendulkar but about dravid. i agree with uppili on very little and in particular strongly disagree with his views on tendulkar; but there is no doubt that there is an active and agenda driven mumbai mafia. they take care of their own very well. tendulkar is not responsible for this but that doesn't change the fact that there is a mafia led in particular by vengsarkar and shastri. vengsarkar doesn't even try to hide his hatred of dravid.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:42 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:my post citing vengsarkar's comment was not at all about tendulkar but about dravid. i agree with uppili on very little and in particular strongly disagree with his views on tendulkar; but there is no doubt that there is an active and agenda driven mumbai mafia. they take care of their own very well. tendulkar is not responsible for this but that doesn't change the fact that there is a mafia led in particular by vengsarkar and shastri. vengsarkar doesn't even try to hide his hatred of dravid.

Who are the key commentators?

Sashtri, Manjrekar, Vengsarkar, Gavaskar - you get the drift. How is it that all of these suddenly call for VVSL's head, despite his scoring at the SCG.

How about calling for Sehwag's head? How about Dhoni ? Why not bring in Jadeja? He is bad but didn't he do well recently? If Rohit can be tried so can Jadeja. At least the guy can also bowl.

How about no one - NOT ONE OF THE BOMBAY MAFIA - suggest that SRT open the innings with Gambhir and SHOW the rest of the team how to handle Siddle and pattinson? What good is his 50 centuries in ODI if he cannot switch his role and show the others in times of crisis.

Sobers would have done it, Imran Khan would hv done it, or even Ganguly would have done it. Why not SRT ?

by truthbetold Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:51 pm

Mumbai's overbearing influence on Indian team is well known and Vengsarker's role in pushing dravid out and his long chat with dravid during england's tour of 2007 were well recorded history.

Mumbai mafia may be jealous of Tamil Thambi domination of BCCI adm these days.

tendulkar himself is known to not take criticism very well.

Facts also show that Tendulkar does care about the team and give his best. Dravid's committment to team is legendary. India needs both of them and then some to conquer the obstacle they face.

by truthbetold Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:58 pm

Uppili Garu,

SRT in no NTR. He cannot suddenly take on the role of Lord vishnu and save gajendra. SRT is just human who wants to play at 2nd down and contribute.

At test level, every batsman has to figure it out for himself. A brillinat Sachin innings is not going to change a sehwag innings. Certainly Dravid and Laxman does not need Sachin's batting lessons.

I request you to be objective. Blame has to be shared by everyone batsmen and bowlers. Team needs to regroup and fight back at perth. Hoping for a god 's package is futile.

I agree that SRT needs to show leadership by scoring 150 to 200 but I also remind you that he is the best Indian batsman so far on this tour.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:11 pm

the fact that kumble, dravid, and VVS thrived despite the mumbai mafia is testament to their incandescent talent, drive, and hard work. even today in indian cricket if you want to play for the country, you have a choice - be exceptional, so exceptional that the mumbai mafia can't touch you even if they want to, or be a mumbaikar.

by truthbetold Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:28 pm

selection of Abimanyu mithun does not reflect well on skikanth. Regionalism is rampant in Indian cricket . Mumbai leads the race.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:08 pm

truthbetold wrote:Uppili Garu,

SRT in no NTR. He cannot suddenly take on the role of Lord vishnu and save gajendra. SRT is just human who wants to play at 2nd down and contribute.

We are not talking about any batsman, any good batsman, any great batsman, but potential Bharat Ratna greatestestest Batsman...

and so open and lead he should.

by Another Brick Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:03 am

no, VVSL should not be dropped for the Perth test. he scored well at the SCG, and he will score well at the WACA. i am hoping for a hundred from him and SRT both. i think that dhobi will stick to 10 of these players and might only replace kohli with sharma.

if it were up to me, i would replace kohli, ashwin and sehwag with sharma, ojha and rahane. it is foolish to wait for that once-in-20-games super-fast innings by sehwag and tolerate his irresponsible play for the rest of the 19 games. the risk to reward ratio of that move is so high, that is is laughable that dhobi, fletcher and co. is still sticking to it. you need steady openers who can play out at least 15-20 overs on a regular basis so that the middle order can pile on.

ENG is # 1 not only because they have good bowlers, but they also have a solid opening pair in cook and strauss. once they make an average of 70-80 per innings, trott, bell, KP can score huge. you rarely see an ENG collapse (like IND, AUS or even SA) because they have a good pair at the top. IND, AUS and SA don't.

that said, gambhir-sehwag pair was one of the reasons why IND did well in tests recently, but that pair has worked only in IND. you need a different one in AUS. i hope we see some thoughtful changes on FRI.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:21 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Sashtri, Manjrekar, Vengsarkar, Gavaskar

i don't think gavaskar gets involved in such public pronouncements. if he is doing stuff behind the scenes, well we won't know about that. clearly i suspect he has srikkanth's ears because they are very close buddies. manjrekar is an independent voice but at times even he seems biased and has had to eat crow about dravid on at least one occasion. the real culprits here IMO are shastri and vengsarkar.

by The Absolute Zero Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:22 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Do you agree?

Every moron who played for India - whether he batted 630 min for his 150 in 1954 or he batted 840 min over 4 days for his 201* is ready to comment about VVS. Anytime you need a scapegoat, go fire VVS!! Who is Gaekwad or Manjrekar to comment about VVS? These are the same stupid morons who said VVS must be retained no matter what. Have they every batted JUST ONCE in their entire career like VVS? Just once.

If there must be some room for any idiot, VVS must go. Huh? Sehwag cannot go, Dravid cannot go, Even Dhobi cannot go but VVS who scored 50+ must go. Great, why because VVS is from Hyderabad and the rest of the morons are from "OTHER" areas that need protection. Rohit Sharma in Perth? I guarantee they will break his skull at WACA. Let them select Rohit and Virat Kohli and let both die. What a moron excuse to select Virat kohli !! (He wont "enjoy" his cricket anymore!!) For goodness sake, we are playing for country, not personal enjoyment.

In ODI VVS scores a century and he is dropped, in every series he comes to your rescue and guts out and he will be dropped. How many more time he should be wronged and killed? Rohit Sharma for VVS? The bunch of arm chair specialists who have an opinion is stunning!

You want to drop people? Here is my list

Sehwag - RETIRE HIM. Let him go to hell with his irresponsible batting. We wont need him in tests, odi or even 20/20.

Kohli - learn manners (from $kar) and come back. Yes we will wait. Do not be an Injamam and misbehave with spectators

Dhobi - what does he do anyway?

Umesh - Is he a bowler?

Ashwin - Get Ojha or Murli kartik

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:25 am

truthbetold wrote:Let us not put Pujara on a pedestal.

pujara has played exactly three test matches. he deserves more chances. in test matches we should back players with a classical technique any day over the tonty-tonty bullies. pujara over kohli any day. and i wouldn't be loathe to playing rahane in the opening spot or bringing jaffer back for a spell.

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