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All the president's lies
by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:35 pm
A remarkable catalogue:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?
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Re: All the president's lies
by Idéfix Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:40 pm
Silvermani asked, why do so many people hate Trump. Exhibit 1 is this catalog of his lies.
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Re: All the president's lies
by silvermani Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:02 pm
During the campaign, Obama said: "She was 52 years old when she died of ovarian cancer, and you know what she was thinking about in the last months of her life? She wasn't thinking about getting well. She wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality. She had been diagnosed just as she was transitioning between jobs. And she wasn't sure whether insurance was going to cover the medical expenses because they might consider this a pre-existing condition. I remember just being heartbroken, seeing her struggle through the paperwork and the medical bills and the insurance forms." He also said: "For my mother to die of cancer at the age of 53 and have to spend the last months of her life in the hospital room arguing with insurance companies because they're saying that this may be a pre-existing condition and they don't have to pay her treatment, there's something fundamentally wrong about that."
But ex-New York Times reporter Janny Scott wrote a flattering book about Obama's mom. Scott describes Obama's mom's "battle" with insurance carriers quite differently. Scott said Dunham had employer-provided health insurance that "covered most of the costs of her medical treatment. ... The hospital billed her insurance company directly, leaving Ann to pay only the deductible and any uncovered expenses, which, she said, came to several hundred dollars a month." The only quarrel was over a disability policy Dunham had, but her pre-existing condition disqualified her. So much for the mean old insurance company, but Obama's tale helped get Obamacare passed.
But ex-New York Times reporter Janny Scott wrote a flattering book about Obama's mom. Scott describes Obama's mom's "battle" with insurance carriers quite differently. Scott said Dunham had employer-provided health insurance that "covered most of the costs of her medical treatment. ... The hospital billed her insurance company directly, leaving Ann to pay only the deductible and any uncovered expenses, which, she said, came to several hundred dollars a month." The only quarrel was over a disability policy Dunham had, but her pre-existing condition disqualified her. So much for the mean old insurance company, but Obama's tale helped get Obamacare passed.
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Re: All the president's lies
by silvermani Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:20 pm
Groundhog time for the Obummer bhakats as he stooped to a new level of low even for a politician.
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Re: All the president's lies
by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:23 pm
I remember the Times reporting it.
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Re: All the president's lies
by Idéfix Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:30 pm
It took a desperate search but this is all you could come up with. Sad!
From the article you posted:
The only quarrel was over a disability policy Dunham had, but her pre-existing condition disqualified her.
It is high time you stopped trying to make Obama look worse than Trump. You usually end up making things look worse for Trump.
From the article you posted:
The only quarrel was over a disability policy Dunham had, but her pre-existing condition disqualified her.
It is high time you stopped trying to make Obama look worse than Trump. You usually end up making things look worse for Trump.
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Re: All the president's lies
by Idéfix Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:41 pm
From the Times story:
There is simply no precedent for an American president to spend so much time telling untruths. Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers. No other president — of either party — has behaved as Trump is behaving. He is trying to create an atmosphere in which reality is irrelevant.
The list above uses the conservative standard of demonstrably false statements. By that standard, Trump told a public lie on at least 20 of his first 40 days as president. But based on a broader standard — one that includes his many misleading statements (like exaggerating military spending in the Middle East) — Trump achieved something remarkable: He said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency.
Sometimes, Trump can’t even keep his untruths straight. After he reversed a campaign pledge and declined to label China a currency manipulator, he kept changing his description of when China had stopped the bad behavior. Initially, he said it stopped once he took office. He then changed the turning point to the election, then to since he started talking about it, and then to some uncertain point in the distant past.
There is simply no precedent for an American president to spend so much time telling untruths. Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers. No other president — of either party — has behaved as Trump is behaving. He is trying to create an atmosphere in which reality is irrelevant.
The list above uses the conservative standard of demonstrably false statements. By that standard, Trump told a public lie on at least 20 of his first 40 days as president. But based on a broader standard — one that includes his many misleading statements (like exaggerating military spending in the Middle East) — Trump achieved something remarkable: He said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency.
Sometimes, Trump can’t even keep his untruths straight. After he reversed a campaign pledge and declined to label China a currency manipulator, he kept changing his description of when China had stopped the bad behavior. Initially, he said it stopped once he took office. He then changed the turning point to the election, then to since he started talking about it, and then to some uncertain point in the distant past.
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Re: All the president's lies
by silvermani Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:43 pm
Idéfix wrote:It took a desperate search but this is all you could come up with. Sad!
From the article you posted:
The only quarrel was over a disability policy Dunham had, but her pre-existing condition disqualified her.
It is high time you stopped trying to make Obama look worse than Trump. You usually end up making things look worse for Trump.
Which only makes Obummer's story a lie.
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Re: All the president's lies
by Idéfix Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:50 pm
It doesn't. He talked about her being worried about being denied because of a pre-existing condition. She had such a condition, and you don't know that she didn't worry about that.silvermani wrote:Idéfix wrote:It took a desperate search but this is all you could come up with. Sad!
From the article you posted:
The only quarrel was over a disability policy Dunham had, but her pre-existing condition disqualified her.
It is high time you stopped trying to make Obama look worse than Trump. You usually end up making things look worse for Trump.
Which only makes Obummer's story a lie.
You have not said one thing critical of Trump. He is our current predisent. He has lied to you at an unpresidented rate. Why won't you acknowledge that? Are you afraid he will grab you, without even asking?
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Re: All the president's lies
by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:04 pm
It really is pathetic to contrast what is at best a shading of the truth with continuous blatant lying.
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Re: All the president's lies
by silvermani Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:37 pm
Shading of the truth? That's a new terminology I had never heard before.
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Re: All the president's lies
by Idéfix Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:40 pm
Your fake concern for the truth is quite transparent. You will have zero credibility on the matter of lying presidents until you acknowledge Trump's lies.silvermani wrote:Shading of the truth? That's a new terminology I had never heard before.
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Re: All the president's lies
by silvermani Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:03 pm
Idéfix wrote:Your fake concern for the truth is quite transparent. You will have zero credibility on the matter of lying presidents until you acknowledge Obummer's lies.silvermani wrote:Shading of the truth? That's a new terminology I had never heard before.
FTFY. Ok bye.
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Re: All the president's lies
by Idéfix Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:10 pm
It is obvious that you won't criticize Trump for any of his thoroughly documented lies. When his lying is with no precedent in our history. So, bye and have a good day.silvermani wrote:Ok bye.
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