An example of a scholar peddling unscientific and anti-scientific BS
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An example of a scholar peddling unscientific and anti-scientific BS
Raju’s thesis consist of these major points:
Significant portions of the calculus developed in India long before Newton and Leibniz and Indian methods, particularly series expansions, came into Europe via 16th century Jesuit missionaries.
European notions of rigorous mathematical proof evolved from the needs of the Catholic Church to convert Muslims with impressive iron-clad logical arguments. The old baffle them with bullshit tactic. Raju claims this theological attitude worked it’s way into mathematics and resulted in the bizarre western view that deduction is superior to observation, experience and induction.
The ultimate source of eastern secular knowledge, (mostly Arab and Indian), was systematically suppressed and “Hellenized” by the Catholic Church. The church claimed all the “good stuff” in Arab texts originated with the ancient Greeks and had been merely preserved by Arab copycats. It just wouldn’t do to credit hated, (remember the crusades), enemies for their good ideas.
Insisting on rigorous proof when teaching mathematics, especially to children, is sterile and stupid.
All of this reads like a mathematical Dan Brown novel and oddly the Catholic Church is once again the villain. I was enjoying Raju’s account until this passage about Kepler:
Why, after all, was Tycho so secretive about his papers, not even allowing his trusted assistant Kepler to see them? In any case, on Tycho’s sudden death, Kepler obtained not just Tycho’s observations but also the rest of his papers which contained the underlying theory. Being inclined towards heliocentrism, Kepler transformed Nilakantha’s “Tychonic” orbits to a heliocentric frame (a simple transformation). This made Nilakantha’s variable epicycles come out as ellipses. Being a professional astrologer, Kepler was good at making up stories, and he made up the story about how he had arrived at his results using Tycho’s data.
In other words Kepler is a fraud and he ripped off one of the major discoveries in astronomy, the elliptical orbits of planets, from Indian astronomers. It’s one thing to spin plausible stories about how parts of calculus may have seeped into Europe from unacknowledged sources it’s another thing to posthumously accuse someone of fraud.
What would it take to make Raju’s case? How about some hard evidence! What about Tycho’s secret papers, do any of these documents survive and do they contain references to Nilakantha? Now that would be a smoking gun. Of course we don’t know of any such papers but that doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. Proof by conspiracy is a very powerful inference rule — 9/11 troofers and ufologists swear by it! What about the claim that the transformation from Nilakantha’s variable epicycle Earth centered system to a Sun centered elliptical orbit system is “a simple transformation.” I rather doubt it’s as simple as claimed and even if the transformation was, to use the most abused word in mathematics — trivial, it still misses the point. The major shift was to abandon all pretense of Earth centered systems no matter how mathematically sophisticated! Before Kepler astronomers and mathematicians, in many cultures, toyed with the idea that planets orbit the sun. After Kepler everyone had to grow up. Planets do orbit the sun deal with it!
And it was precisely how Newton dealt with it that made calculus something worth fighting over. Newton’s unprecedented and monumental proof that elliptical orbits are a mathematical consequence of the inverse square law of gravity is the dividing line between modern and early science. Nothing like it had ever been done before and even today physics and mathematics students are given to chanting we are not worthy when presented with this brilliant argument. Without Newton’s use of the calculus nobody but a few anal mathematicians would give a rat’s ass about who invented calculus.
In a later post I will argue that Raju discounts the importance of independent and coequal mathematical discovery in his account.
https://analyzethedatanotthedrivel.org/2010/08/12/c-k-raju-genius-or-crank-part-1/
Significant portions of the calculus developed in India long before Newton and Leibniz and Indian methods, particularly series expansions, came into Europe via 16th century Jesuit missionaries.
European notions of rigorous mathematical proof evolved from the needs of the Catholic Church to convert Muslims with impressive iron-clad logical arguments. The old baffle them with bullshit tactic. Raju claims this theological attitude worked it’s way into mathematics and resulted in the bizarre western view that deduction is superior to observation, experience and induction.
The ultimate source of eastern secular knowledge, (mostly Arab and Indian), was systematically suppressed and “Hellenized” by the Catholic Church. The church claimed all the “good stuff” in Arab texts originated with the ancient Greeks and had been merely preserved by Arab copycats. It just wouldn’t do to credit hated, (remember the crusades), enemies for their good ideas.
Insisting on rigorous proof when teaching mathematics, especially to children, is sterile and stupid.
All of this reads like a mathematical Dan Brown novel and oddly the Catholic Church is once again the villain. I was enjoying Raju’s account until this passage about Kepler:
Why, after all, was Tycho so secretive about his papers, not even allowing his trusted assistant Kepler to see them? In any case, on Tycho’s sudden death, Kepler obtained not just Tycho’s observations but also the rest of his papers which contained the underlying theory. Being inclined towards heliocentrism, Kepler transformed Nilakantha’s “Tychonic” orbits to a heliocentric frame (a simple transformation). This made Nilakantha’s variable epicycles come out as ellipses. Being a professional astrologer, Kepler was good at making up stories, and he made up the story about how he had arrived at his results using Tycho’s data.
In other words Kepler is a fraud and he ripped off one of the major discoveries in astronomy, the elliptical orbits of planets, from Indian astronomers. It’s one thing to spin plausible stories about how parts of calculus may have seeped into Europe from unacknowledged sources it’s another thing to posthumously accuse someone of fraud.
What would it take to make Raju’s case? How about some hard evidence! What about Tycho’s secret papers, do any of these documents survive and do they contain references to Nilakantha? Now that would be a smoking gun. Of course we don’t know of any such papers but that doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. Proof by conspiracy is a very powerful inference rule — 9/11 troofers and ufologists swear by it! What about the claim that the transformation from Nilakantha’s variable epicycle Earth centered system to a Sun centered elliptical orbit system is “a simple transformation.” I rather doubt it’s as simple as claimed and even if the transformation was, to use the most abused word in mathematics — trivial, it still misses the point. The major shift was to abandon all pretense of Earth centered systems no matter how mathematically sophisticated! Before Kepler astronomers and mathematicians, in many cultures, toyed with the idea that planets orbit the sun. After Kepler everyone had to grow up. Planets do orbit the sun deal with it!
And it was precisely how Newton dealt with it that made calculus something worth fighting over. Newton’s unprecedented and monumental proof that elliptical orbits are a mathematical consequence of the inverse square law of gravity is the dividing line between modern and early science. Nothing like it had ever been done before and even today physics and mathematics students are given to chanting we are not worthy when presented with this brilliant argument. Without Newton’s use of the calculus nobody but a few anal mathematicians would give a rat’s ass about who invented calculus.
In a later post I will argue that Raju discounts the importance of independent and coequal mathematical discovery in his account.
https://analyzethedatanotthedrivel.org/2010/08/12/c-k-raju-genius-or-crank-part-1/
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Re: An example of a scholar peddling unscientific and anti-scientific BS
This guy probably had seen your posts in the past on Biryani and other foods arriving in India with the Arabs.
Re: An example of a scholar peddling unscientific and anti-scientific BS
Seva Lamberdar wrote:This guy probably had seen your posts in the past on Biryani and other foods arriving in India with the Arabs.
Yeah. If not for Arabs, people everywhere will be eating grass.
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