Our Muslims are better than your Muslims

===> Max has been claiming proudly that the Muslims in SI are better behaved and peaceful compared to their counterparts in NI because the ancestors of SI muslims came to places like Malabar to trade in spices. Unlike the forefathers of the Mughals, these Muslims did not engage in invasion, rape and pillage.

Does he not sound similar to the right wing nuts like Ann Coulter who supported the candidacy of Hermain Cain and bragged that 'our blacks are better than their blacks'?


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ann-coulter-on-herman-cain-our-blacks-are-better-than-their-blacks/

mulaiazhagan: as always you are thoroughly confused. your analogy sucks. ann coulter calls them "our blacks" because she doesn't consider them her equal. i think of muslim indians as equal citizens. i also apportion equal blame to muslim and hindu northindians for their blood lust.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:mulaiazhagan: as always you are thoroughly confused. your analogy sucks. ann coulter calls them "our blacks" because she doesn't consider them her equal. i think of muslim indians as equal citizens. i also apportion equal blame to muslim and hindu northindians for their blood lust.

--> Max, do you make a distinction between north indian muslims and the Nawabs of Arcot?

it's not for me to say. what langauge do they speak at home?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it's not for me to say. what langauge do they speak at home?

--> Originally, it was urdu and their court language was also urdu. I cannot answer for what is the situation right now.

--> But is the ability to speak tamil the yardstick for whether a person is bloodthirsty?

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it's not for me to say. what langauge do they speak at home?

--> But is the ability to speak tamil the yardstick for whether a person is bloodthirsty?

no.

the number of muslims in south india are far less

the moghuls were never able to control south India

the aggressive and well to do muslims have settled in the north

In the US the black people in the deep south are not as aggressive or affluent as the blacks in the North and have learnt humility on account of their slavery

chameli wrote:the number of muslims in south india are far less

kerala has a 30% muslim population, higher than the nation's percentage.

The largest concentrations-about 47% of all Muslims in India, according to the 2001 census—live in the 3 states of Uttar Pradesh (30.7 million) (18.5%), West Bengal (20.2 million) (25%), and Bihar (13.7 million) (16.5%). Muslims represent a majority of the local population in Lakshadweep (93% in 2001) and Jammu and Kashmir (67% in 2001). High concentrations of Muslims are found in the eastern states of Assam (31%) and West Bengal (25%), and in the southern states of Kerala (24.7%) and Andhra Pradesh (14%).....wikipedia



If you take things out of context you can prove anyone wrong.

chameli wrote:The largest concentrations-about 47% of all Muslims in India, according to the 2001 census—live in the 3 states of Uttar Pradesh (30.7 million) (18.5%), West Bengal (20.2 million) (25%), and Bihar (13.7 million) (16.5%). Muslims represent a majority of the local population in Lakshadweep (93% in 2001) and Jammu and Kashmir (67% in 2001). High concentrations of Muslims are found in the eastern states of Assam (31%) and West Bengal (25%), and in the southern states of Kerala (24.7%) and Andhra Pradesh (14%).....wikipedia



If you take things out of context you can prove anyone wrong.

by your own stats, kerala has a higher proportion of muslims than utthar pradesh, gujerat (not even on your list), and maharashtra (the latter two not even on your list). yet the most spectacularly violent communal events in recent decades have occurred here. there is nothing out of context. one state with a high muslim population has done this well and others have not. and it is my firm opinion that this is because (barring the odd eruption) southern indian muslims and hindus do not share a violent past like their northindian counterparts do.

now u are off the topic

kerala has 24 % not 30 % as u have stated

did not plan to have each state on my list

Uttar Pradesh is spelt the world over as "uttar" not" Utthar "

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

chameli wrote:The largest concentrations-about 47% of all Muslims in India, according to the 2001 census—live in the 3 states of Uttar Pradesh (30.7 million) (18.5%), West Bengal (20.2 million) (25%), and Bihar (13.7 million) (16.5%). Muslims represent a majority of the local population in Lakshadweep (93% in 2001) and Jammu and Kashmir (67% in 2001). High concentrations of Muslims are found in the eastern states of Assam (31%) and West Bengal (25%), and in the southern states of Kerala (24.7%) and Andhra Pradesh (14%).....wikipedia



If you take things out of context you can prove anyone wrong.

by your own stats, kerala has a higher proportion of muslims than utthar pradesh, gujerat (not even on your list), and maharashtra (the latter two not even on your list). yet the most spectacularly violent communal events in recent decades have occurred here. there is nothing out of context. one state with a high muslim population has done this well and others have not. and it is my firm opinion that this is because (barring the odd eruption) southern indian muslims and hindus do not share a violent past like their northindian counterparts do.

--> giving a history of communal violence is in very bad taste but i am tired of your constant refrain about everything being hunkey dorey in Kerala with respect to communal incidents. So here goes:

--------
1.
The Marad massacre was the killing of eight Hindus by a Muslim mob on 2 May 2003 at the Marad beach of the Kozhikode district, Kerala, India.
One attacker, Mohammed Ashker was hit by accident and was also killed.
The judicial commission that probed the incident concluded that the Indian Union Muslim League was directly involved in both the conspiracy and execution of the massacre.^[1] The courts sentenced 62 Muslims to life imprisonment for committing the massacre in 2009.^[2]

The attackers also threw bombs, but did not explode. Had they burst,
the number of the dead would have multiplied. A large cache of swords,
knives and bombs were stored in the neighboring Masjid (mosque)
and were later seized by the police. This stock was found to be kept
ready as a reserve for a mass massacre, which did not happen in the
event of police intrusion.^[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marad_massacre


See also:
http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/23185/



2. Attackers cut off Newman college prof Joseph's hand

Thodupuzha: T J Joseph, a Malayalam professor at
the Thodupuzha New Man College, who is under suspension for preparing
the question paper with an objectionable reference to the Prophet, was
attacked by a gang of 8 men at Muvatupuzha when he was coming back from
church.
The gang, which had come in a vehicle with
knives, swords and other weapons, severed his right hand and inflicted
stab injuries on his thigh and legs. He had been rushed to the
Specialitys Hospital.

Joseph, along with his sister Stella and mother, was returning back from
church when the gang attacked him near his house. The gang first pushed
the family members out of the car and later severed Joseph's right
hand. Both his hands from the wrist have been severely damaged.
According to Sister Stella the attackers were young men and there had
been three attacks against Joseph earlier too.

http://www.mathrubhumi.com/english/news.php?id=94349

i am not off the topic at all. i don't google every single thing, so i made a mistake but not a fatal one. i wrote from memory. 25% (aside: did you not learn rounding off in middle school? when you round off 24.7 to an integer you round off to 25 not 24) is a sizeable population and doesn't change my conclusion that the proportion of muslims in kerala is higher than in the overall population of the nation.

i am aware of all this rashmun, but pointing to stray incidents will get you nowhere. if you have something on the magnitude of babri masjid in your home state of utthar pradesh or godra, or the bombay riots of 1992, or the partition massacres let us know.

Background


T. J. Joseph, a professor of Malayalam language at Newman College, Thodupuzha, set a question in the Malayalam semester examination paper for BCom students in March 2010.

In the examination, question 11 asked students to punctuate a dialogue between a character and God. The title of the question was to put proper marks i.e. comma, question mark or exclamatory mark in the sentences given below:^[19]

"Muhammad : God, God. God : What is it son? Muhammad : How many
pieces will we get if we cut one Ayila (a type of fish)? God : I have
told you so many times that there will be 3 pieces."

The dialogue was viewed by some as derogatory.^[20]
According to the constitution of India part III article 19; "All
citizens shall have the right to freedom of speech and expression."^[21]
But some argued that a question paper could not be considered as a
platform for individual expression. However the passage was based on a
lecture by CPI(M) leader P. T. Kunju Muhammed and included in a book – Thirakathayude Reethisasthram (Methodology of Screenplay), published by Kerala State Institute of Languages.^[20][22]
In the original text, the character talking to God was unnamed; in the
examination, Joseph is said to have referred to the character as
Muhammed, which may be referring to the author KunjuMuhammed, while
making it seem like a dialogue between God and Muhammed, the prophet.^[23]

The local edition of the Jamaat e Islami Hind newspaper, Madhyamam Daily reported the incident,^[24] sparking off the controversy alleging blasphemy. Several Muslim organisations protested the alleged defamation of the Prophet Mohammed.^[25] The Campus Front, the Popular Front of India's student wing, launched an agitation against the professor.^[24] Student groups affiliated to the Indian National Congress and the Indian Union Muslim League also marched towards the college in protest.^[26] Copies of the question paper was circulated in sensitive areas by various Muslim organizations.^{[citation needed]}

An all-party meeting called by the District Collector
decided to recommend action against the professor responsible for
incorporating the question that reportedly hurt the religious sentiments
of the community.^[27]

The state police registered a case under Section 295 of the Indian Penal Code
(for causing communal hatred) against the professor who subsequently
went absconding. The police then issued a lookout notice for him and
arrested him a week later. He was then released on bail in April. The
Newman College authorities also suspended him from the college and
apologised for the mistake.^{[28][29][30][31]} His son was taken to hospital after being beaten up in police custody.^[32]

[edit] The attack


On 4 July 2010, a group of eight people in a Maruti Omni waylaid the Professor near his home at Muvattupuzha.
Joseph was pulled out of his car along with his sister and 85 year old
mother. They were attacked with knives, swords, axe and home made bombs.
Prof. Joseph’s right hand at the wrist was chopped off and thrown away.
He also suffered wounds to other parts of his body. His left hand from
the wrist also have been severely damaged. His sister and aged mother of
85 years old also suffered injuries.^[1][3][33] According to police, the attack was carried out by an eight member team consisting of Savad of Asamannoor, Pareeth of North Vazhakkulam, Shobin of Kothamangalam, Nazar of Aluva, Shajil of Muvattupuzha, Shamsuddin of Perumbavoor, Shanvas and Jamal.^[34]

[edit] Aftermath


A neighbour rushed Joseph to Nirmala Hospital where first aid was
administered, while the severed hand was collected and packed in ice.
Joseph was taken to the Specialists Hospital in Kochi where he underwent an operation that lasted 16 hours.

Joseph gave a media interview from his hospital bed, where he stated
that he had used an extract from a university-approved book on the Malayalam
language, and that his opponents did not give him an opportunity to
explain the situation. He said that the naming of the village madcap as
Muhammad had been done to represent the original author, P. T. Kunju Muhammed. Joseph's family made a statement that they forgive the attackers.^[35]

On 24 July 2010, his suspension from the college was revoked by the Mahatma Gandhi University
which described the issue as an "unintentional error". The attack on
the teacher and his financial conditions were also considered.^[36]

On 04 Sept 2010, the management of college terminated Prof TJ Joseph
from service with effect from September for hurting the religious
sentiments of a community.^{[37][38][39][40][41]}
Joseph who expressed grief over the management decision said that he
never expected the same. He said that management has given the highest
punishment for him and his family.^[42]
Terming the action of management as irrational, Pro-Left writers,
cultural forums and teachers unions came in support of the Professor.^{[43][44][45][46]}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_hand_chopping_incident_in_Kerala

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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i am aware of all this rashmun, but pointing to stray incidents will get you nowhere. if you have something on the magnitude of babri masjid in your home state of utthar pradesh or godra, or the bombay riots of 1992, or the partition massacres let us know.

what stray incidents? numerous such incidents are to be found all over south india. the kar sevaks who carried out the babari masjid incident were for the most part non-UPites. If people from outside the state come along and indulge in communal violence, it is wrong to put the blame on the people of the state.

Rashmun wrote:

what stray incidents? numerous such incidents are to be found all over south india. the kar sevaks who carried out the babari masjid incident were for the most part non-UPites. If people from outside the state come along and indulge in communal violence, it is wrong to put the blame on the people of the state.

after much googling you've come up with this same example time and again. so yeah they are stray incidents.

mulai-azhagan: your post is better titled "our hindus and muslims ignore each other better than yours". leaving each other alone is sufficient. no need for all this contrived rashmun-style bhai-bhai nonsense.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

what stray incidents? numerous such incidents are to be found all over south india. the kar sevaks who carried out the babari masjid incident were for the most part non-UPites. If people from outside the state come along and indulge in communal violence, it is wrong to put the blame on the people of the state.

after much googling you've come up with this same example time and again. so yeah they are stray incidents.

On 26th February
clashes broke out between Hindus and Muslims in Banglore while a Hindu
religious procession was passing from near a mosque. There was stone
throwing from both sides in Vedika and Ashok Nagar areas. Many shops
and vehicles were damaged and when police tried to intervene its vehicles
were also damaged. The mob set fire to one wine shop also. Many people
were injured including 12 policemen.

Again on 1st March
one riot erupted in Banglore D.J. Halli area after the India-Pakistan
cricket match. Some 500 persons entered the area shouting slogans and
stone pelting started. The police resorted to lathi charge and fired
in the air to disperse the mob. More than 8 persons including four policemen
were injured.

Though Kerala is
comparatively free from communal clashes but for last two years there
have been clashes between Muslims and RSS activists. In January 2002
also some 5 persons were killed when the Hindus attacked Muslim fishermen.
The Muslims retaliated this time and on May 2, 7 persons were killed
in Marad beach area under Beypore police station in Kerala. Last year
RSS had killed Muslims and this year brother of one of the deceased
took revenge by killing seven persons. The Muslims had used a nearby
mosque for hiding weapons and so the mosque was taken over by the Government.
The Muslims fled from the village in fear and Sangh Parivar was not
allowing them to return. They could return only after few months when
the chief minister intervened.

Hyderabad witnessed
communal violence in Melapalli and Nampalli areas on 6th June. The clashes
went on whole night and next day too stone pelting and incidents of
setting fire continued. About 10 motor vehicles were set afire. One
person had died in clashes on 5th June night and this further provoked
violence.

In Hyderabad Talaguda
area violence erupted between Hindus and Muslims on the question of
constructing a wall for a place of worship. Police resorted to firing
and 5 persons were injured in firing. However, the police frustrated
the attempt to attack the houses of one community.
Hyderabad again
erupted on 4th December and surprisingly this time it was between Sikhs
and Muslims. It is alleged that some Muslim youth damaged a gurdwara
in Kishanbagh area. One person was killed and four were injured in stabbing
incidents. When news about attack on gurdwara spread Sikhs collected
near it and began to attack Muslims. Muslims also retaliated and some
Sikhs were injured.

Hyderabad again
witnessed communal violence on 6th December when Muslims were mourning
on demolition of Babri Masjid on that day in 1992 and Hindus were celebrating
Shaurya Divas (day of courage). Police resorted to firing in Sultan
Shahi and Gowlipura areas late in the night to stop mobs resorting to
looting and arson targeting the opposite community. Three persons died
due to bullet injuries and two died in stabbing incidents thus taking
the toll to five dead.

The victims alleged
that role of police worsened the situation. Chief minister Chandrababu
Naidu visited the victims who complained to him. He ordered strict action
against guilty police officers. An indefinite curfew had to be clamped
in eight police station areas in the walled city and 21 plattons of
paramilitary forces had to be deployed.
http://www.countercurrents.org/engineer-030104.htm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:mulai-azhagan: your post is better titled "our hindus and muslims ignore each other better than yours". leaving each other alone is sufficient. no need for all this contrived rashmun-style bhai-bhai nonsense.

Prince of Arcot, His Highness Nawab Abdul Ali, disagrees with you about the bhai-bhai stuff. He is happy to be invited as chief guest on special occasions in important hindu temples.

pitiful. rashmun, really pitiful that you just won't accept the truth. i'll now leave you to your desperate attempts at digging up every minor street fight that occurs in the four southern states as if these come anywhere close to the nuclear incidents of the partition, godra, and babri masjid.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:pitiful. rashmun, really pitiful that you just won't accept the truth. i'll now leave you to your desperate attempts at digging up every minor street fight that occurs in the four southern states as if these come anywhere close to the nuclear incidents of the partition, godra, and babri masjid.

--> The incidents occurring at the time of partition were confined to the north-west, specifically Punjab. It is not the North Indians but the British and the Indian leaders who accepted the partition of India who are to blame for the terrible atrocities that took place in Punjab.

--> Babari Masjid incident took place not because of the common people of U.P. but because of certain vested interests who were determined to whip up communal sentiments.

--> Fundamentally, there is no difference between a north indian and a south indian with respect to the communal issue. One comes across secular and communal people all across India.

Rashmun wrote:
Prince of Arcot, His Highness Nawab Abdul Ali, disagrees with you about the bhai-bhai stuff. He is happy to be invited as chief guest on special occasions in important hindu temples.

the nawab is irrelevant. in the close to two decades i spent living in TN, i've heard his name mentioned maybe twice and i even forget the context. the only thing about their family that interests me is that one of their scions ended up captaining england's cricket team. the bhai-bhai stuff is more meaningful if it is organic, with a firm basis in art, music, or sport. the idea of wantonly embracing a complete stranger for no good reason is as nauseating to me as hacking him to pieces because he belongs to a different religion.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Prince of Arcot, His Highness Nawab Abdul Ali, disagrees with you about the bhai-bhai stuff. He is happy to be invited as chief guest on special occasions in important hindu temples.

the nawab is irrelevant. in the close to two decades i spent living in TN, i've heard his name mentioned maybe twice and i even forget the context. the only thing about their family that interests me is that one of their scions ended up captaining england's cricket team. the bhai-bhai stuff is more meaningful if it is organic, with a firm and meaningful basis in art, music, or sport. the idea of wantonly embracing a complete stranger for no good reason is as nauseating to me as hacking him to pieces because he belongs to a different religion.

--> i am not sure how you claim he is irrelevant. Maybe irrelevant to you but not to the muslims of Tamil Nadu. You yourself made a post earlier about how he had sufficient clout to stop a painting exhibition about Aurangzeb's reign stopped in Tamil Nadu.

--> Here is some information from his official website:

Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali continues to enjoy certain
special privileges, honours and courtesies accorded to him by the
Government to the Prince of Arcot since 1870. He was also been accorded a
very high protocol by the Government in the Warrant of Precedence,
under Article 15-A, and his rank is on par with State Cabinet Ministers.
He was the Sheriff of Madras for two
separate terms, in the year 1984-85 and 1988.

http://www.princeofarcot.org/princes.html#8th

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Prince of Arcot, His Highness Nawab Abdul Ali, disagrees with you about the bhai-bhai stuff. He is happy to be invited as chief guest on special occasions in important hindu temples.

the nawab is irrelevant. in the close to two decades i spent living in TN, i've heard his name mentioned maybe twice and i even forget the context. the only thing about their family that interests me is that one of their scions ended up captaining england's cricket team. the bhai-bhai stuff is more meaningful if it is organic, with a firm and meaningful basis in art, music, or sport. the idea of wantonly embracing a complete stranger for no good reason is as nauseating to me as hacking him to pieces because he belongs to a different religion.

--> i am not sure how you claim he is irrelevant. Maybe irrelevant to you but not to the muslims of Tamil Nadu. You yourself made a post earlier about how he had sufficient clout to stop a painting exhibition about Aurangzeb's reign from being shown in Tamil Nadu.

--> Here is some information from his official website:

Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali continues to enjoy certain
special privileges, honours and courtesies accorded to him by the
Government to the Prince of Arcot since 1870. He was also been accorded a
very high protocol by the Government in the Warrant of Precedence,
under Article 15-A, and his rank is on par with State Cabinet Ministers.
He was the Sheriff of Madras for two
separate terms, in the year 1984-85 and 1988.

http://www.princeofarcot.org/princes.html#8th

The present Prince of Arcot, who is the eighth in
accession, continues to live in his ancestral 's historic
and official residence - Amir Mahal, along with his
family, staff and servants and their families, who total nearly 600 in number.

http://www.chennaibest.com/discoverchennai/sightseeing/history/amirmahal.asp

well in that case, i'm all for pulling the plug on such taxpayer funded largesse.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Prince of Arcot, His Highness Nawab Abdul Ali, disagrees with you about the bhai-bhai stuff. He is happy to be invited as chief guest on special occasions in important hindu temples.

the nawab is irrelevant. in the close to two decades i spent living in TN, i've heard his name mentioned maybe twice and i even forget the context. the only thing about their family that interests me is that one of their scions ended up captaining england's cricket team. the bhai-bhai stuff is more meaningful if it is organic, with a firm basis in art, music, or sport. the idea of wantonly embracing a complete stranger for no good reason is as nauseating to me as hacking him to pieces because he belongs to a different religion.

February is the Month of the Nawab for Rashmunullah. Without Nawab connection, there is no post this month.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Prince of Arcot, His Highness Nawab Abdul Ali, disagrees with you about the bhai-bhai stuff. He is happy to be invited as chief guest on special occasions in important hindu temples.

the nawab is irrelevant. in the close to two decades i spent living in TN, i've heard his name mentioned maybe twice and i even forget the context. the only thing about their family that interests me is that one of their scions ended up captaining england's cricket team. the bhai-bhai stuff is more meaningful if it is organic, with a firm basis in art, music, or sport. the idea of wantonly embracing a complete stranger for no good reason is as nauseating to me as hacking him to pieces because he belongs to a different religion.

February is the Month of the Nawab for Rashmunullah. Without Nawab connection, there is no post this month.

in my opinion anyone who consistently expresses hostility to muslims is an enemy of India because that person does not want Kashmir to remain a part of India. Agree/Disagree?

in my opinion anyone who consistently expresses hostility to muslims is an enemy of India because that person does not want Kashmir to remain a part of India. Agree/Disagree?


===> To be honest, India would have been better off if Nehru had not been so bent on making Kashmir a part of India. How many Indians have really visited the place? Especially the South Indians. They go to Delhi, Bombay and Calcutta in search of jobs or education etc. But how many SIs really want to go and live in Kashmir?

It is really sad to see many young men from villages of SI being sent to a cold place Kashmir to protect the ungrateful Muslims and pay the ultimate price with their lives.

Even a Hindu from Kashmir calls himself a Kashmiri first not an Indian.

MulaiAzhagi wrote:in my opinion anyone who consistently expresses hostility to muslims is an enemy of India because that person does not want Kashmir to remain a part of India. Agree/Disagree?


===> To be honest, India would have been better off if Nehru had not been so bent on making it a part of India. How many Indians have really visited the place? Especially the South Indians. They go to Delhi, Bombay and Calcutta in search of jobs or education etc. But how many really want to go to Kashmir?

It is really sad to see many young men from villages of SI being sent to a cold place Kashmir to protect the ungrateful Muslims and pay the ultimate price with their lives.

Even a Hindu from Kashmir calls himself a Kashmiri first not an Indian.

1. i have south indian friends who have been to kashmir for sightseeing, skiing, and even working (in academia). Of course there are very few jobs available in Kashmir. It is more of a tourist attraction because of its natural beauty.

2. I cannot comment on what may have happened if in 1947 we would have let go of Kashmir. But we simply cannot afford to let go of Kashmir now. If Kashmir goes now, there would be demands for secession/separation all over India. There is the real danger of India breaking apart like what happened to the soviet union.

3. I do not think it is fair to claim that all Kashmiri hindus think of themselves as kashmiris first. Nehru was a Kashmiri hindu. He would never have been accepted by the people of U.P. if they for the slightest moment thought he considers himself a Kashmiri first.

what does wanting or not wanting kashmir to remain as part of india have to do with muslim-hating? there are lots of muslims in kashmir who don't want it to remain part of india. are these muslims anti-muslim?

kashmir is a complex issue. as is your wont rashmun, you are doing your usual black and white thing. i suppose there is no space in your mind for any kind of nuanced thinking.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:what does wanting or not wanting kashmir to remain as part of india have to do with muslim-hating? there are lots of muslims in kashmir who don't want it to remain part of india. are these muslims anti-muslim?

kashmir is a complex issue. as is your wont rashmun, you are doing your usual black and white thing. i suppose there is no space in your mind for any kind of nuanced thinking.

--> there are fundamentalist muslims and liberal muslims in Kashmir. hindu extremists who constantly express hatred for muslims tend to make the liberal muslims seek shelter in the bosom of the conservative muslims in my opinion.

so you think all liberal muslims are not in support of kashmir seceding from india? in that case i have to introduce you to my friend. an out and out liberal muslim (muslim by birth), an atheist in fact, who thinks kashmir is better off independent from both india and pakistan.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:so you think all liberal muslims are not in support of kashmir seceding from india? in that case i have to introduce you to my friend. an out and out liberal muslim (muslim by birth), an atheist in fact, who thinks kashmir is better off independent from both india and pakistan.

Liberal muslims who wish to secede from India have to be won back through the method of persuasion and reason. It is in their own interest if Kashmir remains a part of India. (Of course, it is also in the interest of India that Kashmir remains a part of it.) When people like Uppili attack muslims crudely and constantly, it only hardens their anti-India stand.

Srinagar: Thousands of Kashmiri Hindus from across the country
Saturday thronged the Kheer Bhawani temple in north Kashmir’s Ganderbal
district for an annual festival. Local Muslims greeted them with sweets
as part of a centuries’ old practice in the state where the two
religions have traditionally lived in harmony.

The temple in Tullamulla village, about 25 km from here, is dedicated
to Ragnya Devi, one of the many incarnations of Goddess Durga.

Muslims lined up outside the temple Saturday with ‘kheer’ (a sweet dish made of milk) in earthen pots for their Hindu brethren.

http://twocircles.net/2010jun19/kashmir_muslims_greet_hindus_kheer_bhawani_festival.html