Will there be war?

by charvaka Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:26 pm

Time is running out for the west to stop Iran from getting a nuke and politics in America may be setting the stage for a military confrontation of some sort, with or without American participation. What willl Obama do?

http://politi.co/yfcfJj

by Guest Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:46 pm

it's amazing how israel can get away with the most belligerent of attitudes. what exactly did iran do to israel now? bite it's hand? what's the genesis of israel's fear (that sounds like a fear borrowed from the US)?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:03 pm

charvaka wrote:Time is running out for the west to stop Iran from getting a nuke...

when are america, the UK, france, and israel going to give up their nukes? the only country that's ever used a nuclear weapon is the good ole US of A.

by chameli Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:17 pm

misinformation of the American people has just begun

they are going to be hoodwinked one more time into believing lies .

Its the pro Israeli lobby who is speading this falsehood to justify action against Iran

It remains to be seen how the US news media propagates this disinformation or is it going to be wiser this time

In the meantime the world watches helplessly as Israeli settlers gobble up more and more Arab land

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:20 pm

i'm very upset with the obama administration for not lifting a finger for the syrian people. they obsess about iran and north korea (granted they are important issues) when there is a far more urgent problem that they're twiddling their thumbs on. the UN is an effete organization. just now china and russia voted against the resolution. so it's up to the US and the arab league nations do something about it. will they do it?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:16 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
charvaka wrote:Time is running out for the west to stop Iran from getting a nuke...

when are america, the UK, france, and israel going to give up their nukes? the only country that's ever used a nuclear weapon is the good ole US of A.

When did UK, France, America, Israel, and India went about trumpeting their program and intent to wipe out another country from the face of the earth - and with historical enmity and recorded hatred?

Iran THINKS that the US will prevail upon Israel from attacking Iranian faciltiies, and in a hurry to make the nukes before the elections. The day after the elections, Iran knows the Israeli and US missiles will be flying to Iran. With Nukes on hand before that date will make Iran very powerful and scary - at least that is what the Mullahs are imagining.

Therefore, Israel wants to out think the Iranians and bomb the hell out of them. With the Arab world split they are not likely to pose a danger - usually, Syria, Iraq, and Jordon, and Egypt will have to do the counter attack. Syria and Iraq are no buddies, and Jordon is smarter not to join these losers. Egypt is the big question mark, but Iran is no angel for them. So in short Israel is likely to get away with an attack on Iran. US is worried only about Obama election - and reps would love the war as it will revitalize the jesus crowd, and the general public by uniting them against Iran.

So Israel will attack, and will get away with it with limited damage. Which way it will affect the US elections is anybody's guess.

Hope Israel attacks Iran.

by chameli Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:35 pm

the sunni nations Jordon, saudi Arabia UAE , Egypt hate Iran and would encourage its bombing

need i remind l u about Bahrain ..a small country with majority shias who wanted a fair share of the parliament

they were immediately crushed by the sunni rulers who brought in the saudi arabian sunni army to do the dirty job

close to 90% of the muslims are sunnis who hate the minority shias with a vengeance

by Kris Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:40 pm

charvaka wrote:Time is running out for the west to stop Iran from getting a nuke and politics in America may be setting the stage for a military confrontation of some sort, with or without American participation. What willl Obama do?

http://politi.co/yfcfJj

>>> The Nathanyahu/ Obama relationship may not be the warmest of things, but it is very possible that this is a good cop/ bad cop routine. My prediction is that the attack will be by Israel, but ostensibly despite US urge for restraint. It is likely to happen after the US elections, unless Iran refuses to meaningfully respond to diplomatic overtures by then. If Iran keeps upping the ante and the sanctions aren't successful, then all bets are off on the timing. The monkey wrench here is the internal fissures in Iran- so, there is no predicting the outcome. The current, seeming, standoff between the US and Israel on the issue may be to distance the US from the conflict, but rest assured the US has Israel's back. Iranian nukes are not in the west's interest, nor Israel's nor the Sunni Arabs. A nuclear adversary to Israel is not an issue the US wants to continually manage, even if Iran becomes moderate at some point.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:47 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
charvaka wrote:Time is running out for the west to stop Iran from getting a nuke...

when are america, the UK, france, and israel going to give up their nukes? the only country that's ever used a nuclear weapon is the good ole US of A.

When did UK, France, America, Israel, and India went about trumpeting their program and intent to wipe out another country from the face of the earth - and with historical enmity and recorded hatred?

i didn't put india in that list. YOU did!

the US doesn't trumpet anything. it simply did, i.e. use a nuclear weapon; in fact the only country ever to do so.
so i understand political reality, but never take the US moralizing on such matters very seriously. in fact i'd appreciate it very much if US politicians of all types simply STFU and not moralize.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:06 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
charvaka wrote:Time is running out for the west to stop Iran from getting a nuke...

when are america, the UK, france, and israel going to give up their nukes? the only country that's ever used a nuclear weapon is the good ole US of A.

When did UK, France, America, Israel, and India went about trumpeting their program and intent to wipe out another country from the face of the earth - and with historical enmity and recorded hatred?

i didn't put india in that list. YOU did!

the US doesn't trumpet anything. it simply did, i.e. use a nuclear weapon; in fact the only country ever to do so.

so i understand political reality, but never take the US moralizing on such matters very seriously. in fact i'd appreciate it very much if US politicians of all types simply STFU and not moralize.

Does not matter...Did any of the listed countries openly issue threats?

The US is the only country that dropped bombs - but that bcz no one knew the extent of their power till then. The fact that they did not drop any since then even at the height of Cuban crisis or vietnamese drubbing is an admirable point. Other countries - specifically Iran and N. Korea - issuing threats despite knowing the bomb's destructive power is an indication of their criminal mindset.

powerful countries DO what they mean, they dont go on issuing threats. US is not alone in that....

by Kris Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:32 pm

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:it's amazing how israel can get away with the most belligerent of attitudes. what exactly did iran do to israel now? bite it's hand? what's the genesis of israel's fear (that sounds like a fear borrowed from the US)?

>>> Israel's posture can be summed up by the quip: 'just because you are a little paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you'. Israel doesn't want to take any chances. It doesn't help when the likes of ahmadinejad spout rhetoric about 'wiping israel off the face of the globe' . Add to that the volatility of the middle east - even if one guy talks peace sincerely, the next guy around the corner can do an about face. For America, the same volatility creates the need for a stable foothold somewhere in the area- ergo, the kid glove (most of the time) of israel.

by truthbetold Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:36 pm

It can only be called a police action using sophisticated weapons by an army. It can turn into a war if boots land in Iran. President can use the action for his political benefit. This one issue obama is in complete control.

by Guest Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:57 am

Kris wrote:>>> Israel's posture can be summed up by the quip: 'just because you are a little paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you'. Israel doesn't want to take any chances. It doesn't help when the likes of ahmadinejad spout rhetoric about 'wiping israel off the face of the globe' . Add to that the volatility of the middle east - even if one guy talks peace sincerely, the next guy around the corner can do an about face. For America, the same volatility creates the need for a stable foothold somewhere in the area- ergo, the kid glove (most of the time) of israel.

thanks. i have not been up-to-date with iran related issues.

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