The aesthetic quality of Madras Tamil

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:59 pm

Of all the dialects of Tamil in the world, the one spoken in Madras is indisputably the most elegant and most popular, to say the least. While some may argue that the primary reason for this is the relative simplicity of the dialect, many consider the "broad-mindedness" the Madras folks have demonstrated in acclimating to the liberalization, policy of the Indian govurmentu. "pinna ennaba, newspaper edtha enga pathalum liberliseshan... attha vutta TN Seshan!"

The aesthetic quality of Madras Tamil comes from the fact that a classical (and old) language like Tamil is given that contemporary touch by the constructive intrusions from languages like Hindi, Telugu, Greek, Italian, Persian and most importantly English (naduvula konjam uttaks naina). As a result, the language may sound uncivilized, from the point of view of the Madurai folks, who seemingly say 'Vaanga.. ponga..' even before 'veesing' the 'veecharuvaa' and the Coimbatore folks who add this sickening slur to every statement... and in their obsession with pure Tamil curb the unfettered evolution of the language, thereby leading to little or no development of the language itself. For instance, words like 'bejaar', 'peela', 'saavu graaki' have no sense and no equivalents in the Southern dialects of tamil. Certainly an inexplicable loss to Tamil Language! Now, really getting into the mechanics of the spoken language, the most important point is the relative position of the lips while speaking. While most tamil dialects involve a cavity of 2 inches between the lips,Madras tamil involves a much lesser gap (0.5 to 1.2 Inches). Mastering the exact position is half the language learnt....

The syllable 'zha'(as in tamizh) becomes 'ya'. So, 'vaazhai pazham' is 'vaaya payam', 'vaazhkai' is 'vaaykai', 'vazhukki' is 'vaykki'. Off the record, 'zha' is a pain in the butt. More than 95% of Tamil Nadu substitutes it with 'ya' or 'la'.

http://www.bumba.org/madras_tamil.html

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:16 pm

it's like me commenting on the aesthetic superiority of canadian french over french french. no frenchman would give a crap about my opinion because i don't know a lick of french. wait! i probably know more french than you know tamil. so it's actually worse!

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:00 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it's like me commenting on the aesthetic superiority of canadian french over french french. no frenchman would give a crap about my opinion because i don't know a lick of french. wait! i probably know more french than you know tamil. so it's actually worse!

these comments were not mine, but of another tamilian. i posted them here to see what people like you think of these views.
i agree that i do not know tamil, but i am making some effort to pick up some conversational tamil. the 'zh' sound has been of considerable trouble to me and i was relieved to know that most tamilians find this sound troublesome as well.

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:17 pm

can someone tell me if this is Madras Bashai? Thanks.

by Propagandhi711 Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:48 pm

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:05 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Propa, is that you and Charvaka?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:25 pm

i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:27 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:33 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

by Propagandhi711 Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:41 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

Propa, is that you and Charvaka?

that's you with anyone that agrees with you.

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:53 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

Propa, is that you and Charvaka?

that's you with anyone that agrees with you.

i disagree. my view is that that's you and Charvaka.

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:54 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Thanks.

by Propagandhi711 Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:09 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

Propa, is that you and Charvaka?

that's you with anyone that agrees with you.

i disagree. my view is that that's you and Charvaka.

The aesthetic quality of Madras Tamil FuckOff9

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:15 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

Propa, is that you and Charvaka?

that's you with anyone that agrees with you.

i disagree. my view is that that's you and Charvaka.

The aesthetic quality of Madras Tamil Spank2

Propa, that's me beating the shit out of you.

by Hellsangel Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:18 pm

Rashmun has the last word! clap

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:48 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Avandhaaan Oru kilpaukathu case-na neee innaa saaaru andha saavigiraaki kooda level-a pesikinnu keera? vudu nainaa avankedakaraa kasmaalam.

by charvaka Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:49 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Thanks.

Why are you showering praise on Max?

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:10 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Thanks.
Why are you showering praise on Max?

because i learnt something from him.

by Propagandhi711 Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:36 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

Propa, is that you and Charvaka?

that's you with anyone that agrees with you.

i disagree. my view is that that's you and Charvaka.

Propa, that's me beating the shit out of you.

you couldnt beat your own meat, much less me. which explains the deranged and obsessive behavior we've been witnessing over the past few days. try to have a few nocturnal emissions or something.

by Hellsangel Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:53 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Avandhaaan Oru kilpaukathu case-na neee innaa saaaru andha saavigiraaki kooda level-a pesikinnu keera? vudu nainaa avankedakaraa kasmaalam.

Ha ha ha! The men in white coats are out there looking for him!

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:16 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

that's you with anyone that agrees with you.

i disagree. my view is that that's you and Charvaka.

Propa, that's me beating the shit out of you.

you couldnt beat your own meat, much less me. which explains the deranged and obsessive behavior we've been witnessing over the past few days. try to have a few nocturnal emissions or something.

Propa how is that leg of yours doing? Are you still limping around?

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:18 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Thanks.
Why are you showering praise on Max?

because i learnt something from him.

Notice also that i said Thanks. I did not say Great post.

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:24 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Avandhaaan Oru kilpaukathu case-na neee innaa saaaru andha saavigiraaki kooda level-a pesikinnu keera? vudu nainaa avankedakaraa kasmaalam.

oor othe thevidiya

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:01 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i couldn't listen to that guy's labored attempts at singing some movie song beyond 10 seconds. sorry!

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Avandhaaan Oru kilpaukathu case-na neee innaa saaaru andha saavigiraaki kooda level-a pesikinnu keera? vudu nainaa avankedakaraa kasmaalam.

oor othe thevidiya

Is that how you call your mother or Malini Iyengar?

by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:02 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

All right tell me this, is Madras Bashai used in songs and dialogues in tamil movies?

usually it is some comedian depicting a fisherman, autorickshaw driver, or bus conductor who uses the dialect. it's also incorrect to say that most tamilians can't say 'zha'. many can't and many others can. fairly or unfairly and probably inaccurately sometimes, the ability to pronounce it is used as a marker to judge educational attainment and economic class.

Avandhaaan Oru kilpaukathu case-na neee innaa saaaru andha saavigiraaki kooda level-a pesikinnu keera? vudu nainaa avankedakaraa kasmaalam.

oor othe thevidiya

Is that how you call your mother or Malini Iyengar?

No. These tamil cuss words are reserved for you and only you.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:22 am

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

oor othe thevidiya

Is that how you call your mother or Malini Iyengar?

No. These tamil cuss words are reserved for you and only you.

You really don't know the meaning of what you were saying... do you ?

That is what happens when you try to show off as an expert by talking to 2 people on a bus or visiting/cut/vomitting from 2 sites at random.

What you really meant was "My mother is a prostitute"

Of course, you are known for voting yourself out....

by Guest Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:34 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

oor othe thevidiya

Is that how you call your mother or Malini Iyengar?

No. These tamil cuss words are reserved for you and only you.

You really don't know the meaning of what you were saying... do you ?

That is what happens when you try to show off as an expert by talking to 2 people on a bus or visiting/cut/vomitting from 2 sites at random.

What you really meant was "My mother is a prostitute"

Of course, you are known for voting yourself out....

the words oor othe thevidiya mean 'the whole town is screwing you'. trust you to bring up family members into a discussion as has been your habit in the past (because of which i have had to occasionally reciprocate in kind to make you shut up).

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:51 am

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

oor othe thevidiya

Is that how you call your mother or Malini Iyengar?

No. These tamil cuss words are reserved for you and only you.

You really don't know the meaning of what you were saying... do you ?

That is what happens when you try to show off as an expert by talking to 2 people on a bus or visiting/cut/vomitting from 2 sites at random.

What you really meant was "My mother is a prostitute"

Of course, you are known for voting yourself out....

the words oor othe thevidiya mean 'the whole town is screwing you'. trust you to bring up family members into a discussion as has been your habit in the past (because of which i have had to occasionally reciprocate in kind to make you shut up).

Ahahahaha....Really ???? then continue...you are free to call your mother whatever you feel like.

I NEVER abused or dragged any family member ever..... By "Rashmun Method of proof" Mother is an english word and unless I cite your mothers REAL name, it does not amount to personalization.

by Guest Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:55 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Is that how you call your mother or Malini Iyengar?

No. These tamil cuss words are reserved for you and only you.

You really don't know the meaning of what you were saying... do you ?

That is what happens when you try to show off as an expert by talking to 2 people on a bus or visiting/cut/vomitting from 2 sites at random.

What you really meant was "My mother is a prostitute"

Of course, you are known for voting yourself out....

the words oor othe thevidiya mean 'the whole town is screwing you'. trust you to bring up family members into a discussion as has been your habit in the past (because of which i have had to occasionally reciprocate in kind to make you shut up).

Ahahahaha....Really ???? then continue...you are free to call your mother whatever you feel like.

I NEVER abused or dragged any family member ever..... By "Rashmun Method of proof" Mother is an english word and unless I cite your mothers REAL name, it does not amount to personalization.

keeshan appa mayiru poodunghi. vaile vatchuko parapunda maune.soru thunriya illa pee thunriya.

by doofus_maximus Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:43 am

Ahh.. the beauty of tamil is evident in these last few posts.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:40 am

doofus_maximus wrote:Ahh.. the beauty of tamil is evident in these last few posts.

Funny...looks like I need to brush up my cussing skills. In school, I was the undisputed King when it came to cussing... I made up words and phrases on the fly based on the situation and the person involved. Ahhhhh those good old days..

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