Rashmun, this is for you

http://www.firstpost.com/living/the-irresistible-appeal-of-urdu-watching-the-news-in-pakistan-233503.html

from the article:
In India, Hindustani in the Devanagari script became the national language. But far too many of India’s states were distant from Hindi and so it wasn’t really enforceable and so our regional languages have thrived. This has meant that the common medium of communication for urban Indians has remained English alone.

my own experience in south india is that when it came to auto drivers or fruit and vegetable sellers or small grocers or small restaurants, the people were more comfortable in hindustani than in english. one reason could be the existence of the southern indian language Dakhini from which modern Hindustani evolved. it is also possible that the places in south india where i spent the maximum time (bangalore, vellore, etc.) had more hindi/urdu speakers than some other areas.

>> In India, Hindustani in the Devanagari script became the national language.

WRONG

Kayalvizhi wrote:>> In India, Hindustani in the Devanagari script became the national language.

WRONG

Having made signal contribution to the freedom struggle, Tamil Nadu must be in the vanguard in promoting teaching of our national language Hindi, Justice V.S. Malimath, Chancellor & President Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, said here on Sunday.

The national poet Subramania Bharathi in his article Young India published in 1905 had emphasised the need and importance of our people learning Hindi, Justice Malimath said, while delivering the convocation address at the 13th Visharad Convocation of Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu.

"We must remember that Hindi has a place of pride in the languages spoken in the world, the language spoken by the third largest number of people in the world next only to Chinese and English. Hindi is spoken by the largest number of people in India." Justice Malimath said.

Founded by Mahatma Gandhi in 1918, the Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha has a unique and distinguished heritage and enjoys a pride of place in the nation. People of South India are fortunate that they are blessed with such a great institution to foster teaching of Hindi to our people. "We must take full advantage of the same and become active participants in the nation building activity", Justice Malimath pointed out.

It was after an enormous struggle and great sacrifices that we were able to break the shackles of slavery and become a free and independent nation. People from all parts of India joined the freedom struggle irrespective of their religion, caste, creed or language.

"People of India must live together as members of one family if we have to preserve Independence and maintain unity and integrity of our nation. It is for this reason that the founding fathers of our constitution chose Hindi our national language", Justice Malimath said. He congratulated the students for attaining proficiency in Hindi.

Visharad degree certificates were distributed to over 3,000 students on the occasion. Rank holders of the exam and four senior Pracharaks were honoured on the occasion.

The president, Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu A.P.C.V. Chokkalingam presided over the convocation. R.F. Nirlakatti, Pro Vice-Chancellor of Post Graduate and Research Institute, Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, First Vice President of Tamil Nadu Sabha S. Arunachalam, M.S. Muralidharan, Second Vice President of the Sabha, Chennai, General Secretary C.N.V. Annamalai and Second Vice President of the Tamil Nadu Sabha S. Ravindran and others participated in the programme.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article71427.ece

Again posting some cut and paste which has nothing to do with my comment.

Rashmun,

What do you do for living? I am asking because you seem not to understand other peoples post.

Kayalvizhi wrote:Again posting some cut and paste which has nothing to do with my comment.

Rashmun,

What do you do for living? I am asking because you seem not to understand other peoples post.

my post was relevant because Justice Malimath claims that Hindi is the national language of India (in the article i gave). Justice Malimath is a south indian, not a north indian.

since a section of south indians believe hindi to be the national language or at any rate wish to promote hindi, it is wrong to target north indians alone on this issue.

Some Justice cannot decide the national language. Google and find out who can. If you do not have the time today, read this

http://www.tamiltribune.com/10/0602.html

Kayalvizhi wrote:Some Justice cannot decide the national language. Google and find out who can. If you do not have the time today, read this

http://www.tamiltribune.com/10/0602.html

In a city once bitterly opposed to the northerner’s tongue, Hindi is finding followers — private tutors give lessons in apartment complexes, and young enthusiasts gingerly try Kabir on their tongue. Even auto drivers will not snarl at you if you speak in Hindi

Fourteen-year-old Swati Ramanan has a new literary crush: Munshi Premchand. “The first story by Premchand that I read and loved was Idgah. That must have been six months ago,” she says in English, before self-consciously switching to somewhat accented Hindi. “Main ab unki ek aur kahani padh rahi hun, ‘Bade Bhaisahab’ (I am now reading another story of his, called ‘Elder Brother’),” she says shyly.

Swati lives on the seventh floor of a tall apartment complex in Kodambakkam, Chennai. Like any teenager, she likes Katy Perry, Harry Potter and skinny jeans. Of late, she has been scarfing up Hindi books that her parents — both work in the IT industry — buy her on their trips to Delhi and Mumbai. In her room is a green felt board with a few Hindi dohas pinned on it alongside cartoon cutouts. They flutter in the evening breeze as Swati talks about her passion for a language far removed from her native tongue Tamil. It all started with snatches of Hindi news overheard from her neighbour’s radio. “It sounded so elegant,” says Swati, pausing to rummage for the Hindi word for ‘elegant’. “I knew I had to learn to speak and write like that.”

Swati attends a reputed CBSE school not far from her home. Hindi is her third language of choice, after English and her mother tongue, Tamil. “My friends opted for Sanskrit and French because you can get better grades that way,” she says. But Swati’s mother, Ananya, takes a broader view. “I have lived in Mumbai for two years. Hindi is necessary if you want to move to other states. People living in south India are increasingly aware of this,” says the 44-year-old, who watches Star Plus and Zee TV to help polish her Hindi. “We enjoy watching Hindi stand-up comedy — there is no equivalent of this on Tamil TV,” she says.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/chennai-says-it-in-hindi/830371/0

Again you are cutting and pasting nonsence whic has nothing to do with my response. I am getting angry at this nuisence.

Kayalvizhi wrote:Again you are cutting and pasting nonsence whic has nothing to do with my response. I am getting angry at this nuisence.

if tamil people in tamil nadu wish to learn hindi, why do you wish to poke your nose into their affairs? why don't you just let them do what they want to do ?

>> if tamil people in tamil nadu wish to learn hindi, why do you wish to poke your nose into their affairs? why don't you just let them do what they want to do ?

I posted Hindi is not India's national language. I said a justice cannot decide that. Yoyr response is nothing but spam.

Kayalvizhi wrote:>> if tamil people in tamil nadu wish to learn hindi, why do you wish to poke your nose into their affairs? why don't you just let them do what they want to do ?

I posted Hindi is not India's national language. I said a justice cannot decide that. Yoyr response is nothing but spam.

Do you have an answer to my question or not? i think it is a pertinent question in the context of your numerous anti-hindi posts. so let me repeat it:

if tamil people in tamil nadu wish to learn hindi, why do you wish to poke your nose into their affairs? why don't you just let them do what they want to do ?

tell me one post in which i said that anybody wanting to learn hindi should not.

Have you figured out if Hindi is national language of India? Who can declare it as that?

Rashmun wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:Again posting some cut and paste which has nothing to do with my comment.

Rashmun,

What do you do for living? I am asking because you seem not to understand other peoples post.

my post was relevant because Justice Malimath claims that Hindi is the national language of India (in the article i gave). Justice Malimath is a south indian, not a north indian.

since a section of south indians believe hindi to be the national language or at any rate wish to promote hindi, it is wrong to target north indians alone on this issue.

it is irrelevant what malam-math (haha) or anyone else says. the constitution clearly spells out the status of hindi. it is NOT, repeat NOT, the national language. india has no national language.

Kayalvizhi wrote:tell me one post in which i said that anybody wanting to learn hindi should not.

Have you figured out if Hindi is national language of India? Who can declare it as that?

i only gave Justice Malimath's opinion about hindi being the national language of India. The reason i did so is to point out that a section of south indians also believe hindi to be the national language. thus it is wrong to target north indians for holding this view.

with respect to hindi, you keep posting that hindi is being forced on tamilians. you keep referring to some anti-hindi riots that took place 50 years ago. my question to you is this:

if tamil people in tamil nadu wish to learn hindi, why do you wish to poke your nose into their affairs? why don't you just let them do what they want to do ?

justice malam is not fit to be a justice since he doesn't seem to know the constitution.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:Again posting some cut and paste which has nothing to do with my comment.

Rashmun,

What do you do for living? I am asking because you seem not to understand other peoples post.

my post was relevant because Justice Malimath claims that Hindi is the national language of India (in the article i gave). Justice Malimath is a south indian, not a north indian.

since a section of south indians believe hindi to be the national language or at any rate wish to promote hindi, it is wrong to target north indians alone on this issue.

it is irrelevant what malam-math (haha) or anyone else says. the constitution clearly spells out the status of hindi. it is NOT, repeat NOT, the national language. india has no national language.

i am not denying that hindi is not the national language as per the indian constitution. what i am saying is that hindi or strictly speaking hindustani is a national language in the sense that it is a pan-Indian language spoken all across India. In contrast, languages like bengali,kashmiri, oriya, gujarati, tamil, telugu, etc. are regional languages.

the term "national language" is a nuclear issue with many many tamilians even today (despite your labored posts to the contrary and you know it). this is precisely the reason why nehru dropped it. what you are doing here is just a sly backdoor way of reinstating the term. it will start informally and soon enough you and your ilk will try to imbue it with legal meaning. we are having none of it, you and justice malam notwithstanding.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the term "national language" is a nuclear issue with many many tamilians even today (despite your labored posts to the contrary and you know it). this is precisely the reason why nehru dropped it. what you are doing here is just a sly backdoor way of reinstating the term. it will start informally and soon enough you and your ilk will try to imbue it with legal meaning. we are having none of it, you and justice malam notwithstanding.

all right i will not use the term 'national language' for hindi in my own posts. but if justice malimath or some other south indian--particularly a tamilian-- uses this term for hindi then i reserve the right to quote them.

BHAVANI: Students must learn English, Hindi and computer science to be competitive, Supreme Court judge Justice P. Sathasivam has said...
To do so, they must be as competent in English as in Tamil. “Good command over English will you put in good stead and help get a job,” he told the students...

Mr. Justice Sathasivam also asked the students to develop proficiency in Hindi. Recalling his short stint as the Chief Justice of the High Court in Chandigarh, he said in most of the North Indian states Hindi was the medium of communication, which if the students learnt would do well to get placed in industries or companies there.

“The States [North Indian] are also fast becoming industrialised and in becoming so, plenty of job opportunities are being created. The students to get employed there, will do well to have a mastery of the language.”

http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/30/stories/2009063054900500.htm