Chappel on Indian culture and cricket

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:49 pm

...He is pretty much right on the money....

by doofus_maximus Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:51 pm

he must have written some new book and wants some publicity.

No 1 idiot, who loves generalizing.

by artood2 Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:17 am

I am looking forward to a complete list of world leaders, industry leaders, thought leaders that the ozzies produced.....

yes all three of them.

by Kris Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:02 am

artood2 wrote:I am looking forward to a complete list of world leaders, industry leaders, thought leaders that the ozzies produced.....

yes all three of them.

>>Let's see, there is Crocodile Dundee..hmm, let me get back to you on the others. Of course, he could be all three rolled into one. There ya go,mate. No worries!

Smile

by The Absolute Zero Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:41 am

This is the GIST of his talk... Now expect a series of revolts from BCCI and many others. BBC will say something too.

Chappell then spoke about what was wrong with the Indian culture. "The culture is very different, it's not a team culture," Chappell said. "They lack leaders in the team because they are not trained to be leaders. From an early age, their parents make all the decisions, their schoolteachers make their decisions, their cricket coaches make the decisions.

"The culture of India is such that, if you put your head above the parapet someone will shoot it. Knock your head off. So they learn to keep their head down and not take responsibility. The Poms (British) taught them really well to keep their head down. For if someone was deemed to be responsible, they'd get punished. So the Indians have learned to avoid responsibility. So before taking responsibility for any decisions, they prefer not to."

by doofus_maximus Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:02 am

Hey they perfected Test cricket and Swimming. La dee frickin Da.. who gives a shit.

Way classy to bring in India's colonial past. What an analysis and our resident Guru agrees too.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:50 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:Hey they perfected Test cricket and Swimming. La dee frickin Da.. who gives a shit.

Way classy to bring in India's colonial past. What an analysis and our resident Guru agrees too.

Now don't be adamant and acknowledge some of the truths that he has mentioned about the Indian society AND what you should have observed in your own life. He did say a few good things about the culture and also partly blames the Brits for this syndrome. Just look at the political scenario, how the everyone sings a chorus for the princes to take over. Cricketers grooming (am sure forcing their own kids), Docs forcing their kids to become docs, businessmen forcing their kids to become businessmen, and so on...

And, don't tell me the teachers allow kids to question them in classes....

Looks like you are also getting afflicted by Akbar Syndrome - cannot stand any criticism.

by doofus_maximus Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:00 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:Hey they perfected Test cricket and Swimming. La dee frickin Da.. who gives a shit.

Way classy to bring in India's colonial past. What an analysis and our resident Guru agrees too.

Now don't be adamant and acknowledge some of the truths that he has mentioned about the Indian society AND what you should have observed in your own life. He did say a few good things about the culture and also partly blames the Brits for this syndrome. Just look at the political scenario, how the everyone sings a chorus for the princes to take over. Cricketers grooming (am sure forcing their own kids), Docs forcing their kids to become docs, businessmen forcing their kids to become businessmen, and so on...

And, don't tell me the teachers allow kids to question them in classes....

Looks like you are also getting afflicted by Akbar Syndrome - cannot stand any criticism.

So..I need to acknowledge the TRUTH because I shouldn't be adamant. We should listen to the Eldest of the group. Are you reinforcing Chappell's idiocy? This is new way of arguing. Bravo.

That aside.
Look at the cricket alone.. we won the WC, T20 WC, successfully started a league (whatever you think of the league) where foreign players flock. Led all test playing nations not too long ago. Australia with all their power couldn't win a series in India.

We lost terribly in the last two series. Blame the indian team for in fighting, poor preparation and not caring about test cricket (he did mention that and I think he is correct).. But blaming an entire country over a Test series loss is a complete nincompoop move.

Like R2D2 said earlier, show me one world leader who is an Aussie, then he can talk about Indian upbringing and culture. Australia is like 'canada'. Irrelevant in Global affairs.

by artood2 Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:50 pm

Kris wrote:
artood2 wrote:I am looking forward to a complete list of world leaders, industry leaders, thought leaders that the ozzies produced.....

yes all three of them.

>>Let's see, there is Crocodile Dundee..hmm, let me get back to you on the others. Of course, he could be all three rolled into one. There ya go,mate. No worries!

cheers

by artood2 Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:52 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Cricketers grooming (am sure forcing their own kids), Docs forcing their kids to become docs, businessmen forcing their kids to become businessmen, and so on...

Convicts forcing their kids to be convicts does not sound too enticing. Thank God for freedom of thought in the ozzies...

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:58 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:
That aside.
Look at the cricket alone.. we won the WC, T20 WC, successfully started a league (whatever you think of the league) where foreign players flock. Led all test playing nations not too long ago. Australia with all their power couldn't win a series in India.

Like R2D2 said earlier, show me one world leader who is an Aussie, then he can talk about Indian upbringing and culture. Australia is like 'canada'. Irrelevant in Global affairs.

Calm down now...

About cricket what he said was true to a large extent - although he was brutal. He did say he thought India was one of the 4 countries that would hold the "Test flag". He also told way back that India should start grooming youngters to replace the oldies gradually. He was crucial in unearthing some of today's players. He did praise that Dhoni was an exception. His disappointment was how Dhoni is not Dhoni anymore, in-fighting was unexpected, how the grooming has stalled by letting the seniors decide for themselves, and how Indian cricket was controlled by BCCI.

He attributed this behavior(al) changes to the basic Indian culture of "listening and doing what is dictated", which in turn is the result of the Brits brainwashing.

Which one his statements you PRECISELY counter? Stop blabbering about we won T20, won this and won that... Those are all now "Once upon a time"

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:01 pm

artood2 wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Cricketers grooming (am sure forcing their own kids), Docs forcing their kids to become docs, businessmen forcing their kids to become businessmen, and so on...

Convicts forcing their kids to be convicts does not sound too enticing. Thank God for freedom of thought in the ozzies...

It is now a part of Indian culture. Look at all the political princes. Many of them are engineers and went abroad for higher education - Akilesh Yadav, Pawar's daughter, Chidambaram's son, etc...

and what do they all do now?

Carry on their family criminal business of corruption and looting.

by doofus_maximus Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:22 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:
That aside.
Look at the cricket alone.. we won the WC, T20 WC, successfully started a league (whatever you think of the league) where foreign players flock. Led all test playing nations not too long ago. Australia with all their power couldn't win a series in India.

Like R2D2 said earlier, show me one world leader who is an Aussie, then he can talk about Indian upbringing and culture. Australia is like 'canada'. Irrelevant in Global affairs.

Calm down now...

About cricket what he said was true to a large extent - although he was brutal. He did say he thought India was one of the 4 countries that would hold the "Test flag". He also told way back that India should start grooming youngters to replace the oldies gradually. He was crucial in unearthing some of today's players. He did praise that Dhoni was an exception. His disappointment was how Dhoni is not Dhoni anymore, in-fighting was unexpected, how the grooming has stalled by letting the seniors decide for themselves, and how Indian cricket was controlled by BCCI.

He attributed this behavior(al) changes to the basic Indian culture of "listening and doing what is dictated", which in turn is the result of the Brits brainwashing.

Which one his statements you PRECISELY counter? Stop blabbering about we won T20, won this and won that... Those are all now "Once upon a time"

Senility is affecting your comprehension problems. If you still can't comprehend I will say it one more time. If he is talking about cricket, he should stick to cricket. Not tell the whole effing country how to raise their children and not rant about a culture. Even within cricket I countered what he said. Are you still worshiping Goras and think anything they say about India is correct?

What talent did he unearth in the current Indian team? How different was he from any other coach? All he did was fight with the seniors and ruin a WC campaign. Big three including Ganguly made him eat his words by performing at a high level till recently, that is long after he was gone. He is such an idiot, that he can't even hold on to Aussie selector's job and got fired unceremoniously. What talent did he unearth in the Aussie team when he was the selector?

Coming back to the issue of 'not peeking above the parapet wall to become visible' or some such sort, I have worked both in corporate and academia here in the US and I see the exact same thing. Folks toeing the senior's line all the time.

Hope you understood this time. If not, try reading slowly or ask your minions to read it for you.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:03 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:
That aside.
Look at the cricket alone.. we won the WC, T20 WC, successfully started a league (whatever you think of the league) where foreign players flock. Led all test playing nations not too long ago. Australia with all their power couldn't win a series in India.

Like R2D2 said earlier, show me one world leader who is an Aussie, then he can talk about Indian upbringing and culture. Australia is like 'canada'. Irrelevant in Global affairs.

Calm down now...

About cricket what he said was true to a large extent - although he was brutal. He did say he thought India was one of the 4 countries that would hold the "Test flag". He also told way back that India should start grooming youngters to replace the oldies gradually. He was crucial in unearthing some of today's players. He did praise that Dhoni was an exception. His disappointment was how Dhoni is not Dhoni anymore, in-fighting was unexpected, how the grooming has stalled by letting the seniors decide for themselves, and how Indian cricket was controlled by BCCI.

He attributed this behavior(al) changes to the basic Indian culture of "listening and doing what is dictated", which in turn is the result of the Brits brainwashing.

Which one his statements you PRECISELY counter? Stop blabbering about we won T20, won this and won that... Those are all now "Once upon a time"

Senility is affecting your comprehension problems. If you still can't comprehend I will say it one more time. If he is talking about cricket, he should stick to cricket. Not tell the whole effing country how to raise their children and not rant about a culture. Even within cricket I countered what he said. Are you still worshiping Goras and think anything they say about India is correct?

What talent did he unearth in the current Indian team? How different was he from any other coach? All he did was fight with the seniors and ruin a WC campaign. Big three including Ganguly made him eat his words by performing at a high level till recently, that is long after he was gone. He is such an idiot, that he can't even hold on to Aussie selector's job and got fired unceremoniously. What talent did he unearth in the Aussie team when he was the selector?

Coming back to the issue of 'not peeking above the parapet wall to become visible' or some such sort, I have worked both in corporate and academia here in the US and I see the exact same thing. Folks toeing the senior's line all the time.

Hope you understood this time. If not, try reading slowly or ask your minions to read it for you.

Looks like he touched a raw nerve in you. He IS talking about ciricket wonly and gives the probable reason - which is 102% correct.

Now you are expected to work as your boss tells you. You are expected to do what your captain tells you. But, that is not the same as Parents not letting their kids do what they want or BCCI dictating to the selectors, players, and everyone else.

Of course, you being a very young guy, will take a few years to understand the subtle difference. Calling anyone who you dont understand a senile is just juvenile; and, of course, that is the hallmark of a budding youngster in any profession.

Now don't ask anyone to explain the difference bcz you still will not understand.

by doofus_maximus Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:19 pm

Using phrases like 'calm down' and 'touched a raw nerve' are standards and techniques used by people to distract from the discussion.
Why don't you use JM's techniques too.

If I wanted to comment on Indian team and the nepotism/corruption that runs there, I would have just said that and kept my mouth shut. No, Mr. Underarmer has to extrapolate and psychoanalyze the whole nation and make a mockery of himself. He just proves again and again why he was/is not fit for any job.

Whatever it is , I have given that moron more than my share of my time. I am done with that guy and appealing to your 'cricketing' sense.
EOD.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:25 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:Using phrases like 'calm down' and 'touched a raw nerve' are standards and techniques used by people to distract from the discussion.
Why don't you use JM's techniques too.

Oh really? Under what category is calling people senile, old, etc fall ? Rashmun technique?

If I wanted to comment on Indian team and the nepotism/corruption that runs there, I would have just said that and kept my mouth shut. No, Mr. Underarmer has to extrapolate and psychoanalyze the whole nation and make a mockery of himself. He just proves again and again why he was/is not fit for any job.

He was explaining the psychology behind the Indian teams downturn, and if it requries dragging the country's culture so be it. If India can hire foreign coaches bcz of their "Culture" then chappell can drag Indian servant mindset.

Wait till some article come out in support of wwhat Chappell said.

Whatever it is , I have given that moron more than my share of my time. I am done with that guy and appealing to your 'cricketing' sense.
EOD.

Will be back after some articles come out in support of this one.

by artood2 Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:47 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Cricketers grooming (am sure forcing their own kids), Docs forcing their kids to become docs, businessmen forcing their kids to become businessmen, and so on...

Convicts forcing their kids to be convicts does not sound too enticing. Thank God for freedom of thought in the ozzies...

It is now a part of Indian culture. Look at all the political princes. Many of them are engineers and went abroad for higher education - Akilesh Yadav, Pawar's daughter, Chidambaram's son, etc...

and what do they all do now?

Carry on their family criminal business of corruption and looting.

Saar, I was just making a point that ozzies did not have to try hard to not follow their parents' footsteps. Australia was initially setup as a "penal colony" where convicts were transported to alleviate the pressue on brit prisons.

by artood2 Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:55 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:
That aside.
Look at the cricket alone.. we won the WC, T20 WC, successfully started a league (whatever you think of the league) where foreign players flock. Led all test playing nations not too long ago. Australia with all their power couldn't win a series in India.

Like R2D2 said earlier, show me one world leader who is an Aussie, then he can talk about Indian upbringing and culture. Australia is like 'canada'. Irrelevant in Global affairs.

Calm down now...

About cricket what he said was true to a large extent - although he was brutal. He did say he thought India was one of the 4 countries that would hold the "Test flag". He also told way back that India should start grooming youngters to replace the oldies gradually. He was crucial in unearthing some of today's players. He did praise that Dhoni was an exception. His disappointment was how Dhoni is not Dhoni anymore, in-fighting was unexpected, how the grooming has stalled by letting the seniors decide for themselves, and how Indian cricket was controlled by BCCI.

He attributed this behavior(al) changes to the basic Indian culture of "listening and doing what is dictated", which in turn is the result of the Brits brainwashing.

Which one his statements you PRECISELY counter? Stop blabbering about we won T20, won this and won that... Those are all now "Once upon a time"

saar, I do not follow cricket but I do know that India had a series of firangis as a coach for a while. apparently the coaches who came just before and after him did a pretty good job of leading the same set of meek Indians than him. Apaarently players mince no words in cutting him to size while they are full of praise for the coach after him. So, apparently this guy who says that Indians believe in servitude to firangis had tough time getting those guys to follow him and the guys who did not come with the same pretense were fairly successful in leading the same set of guys to perform.

Apparently the captain of the team that this guy inherited was known for getting his way (something which contradicts the servitude theory) and apparently that was the biggest cause of friction between the coach and the team. Can some one please enlighten me how these set of facts fit with the servitude theory?

P.S: No R method please.

by Guest Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:57 pm

the disparaging of the method is still going on.

by artood2 Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:58 pm

Tracy Whitney wrote:the disparaging of the method is still going on.

One day Charvaka will sign the "Mahalingam" declaration and then it ends.

I can provide the pen.

by doofus_maximus Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:59 pm

artood2 wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:
That aside.
Look at the cricket alone.. we won the WC, T20 WC, successfully started a league (whatever you think of the league) where foreign players flock. Led all test playing nations not too long ago. Australia with all their power couldn't win a series in India.

Like R2D2 said earlier, show me one world leader who is an Aussie, then he can talk about Indian upbringing and culture. Australia is like 'canada'. Irrelevant in Global affairs.

Calm down now...

About cricket what he said was true to a large extent - although he was brutal. He did say he thought India was one of the 4 countries that would hold the "Test flag". He also told way back that India should start grooming youngters to replace the oldies gradually. He was crucial in unearthing some of today's players. He did praise that Dhoni was an exception. His disappointment was how Dhoni is not Dhoni anymore, in-fighting was unexpected, how the grooming has stalled by letting the seniors decide for themselves, and how Indian cricket was controlled by BCCI.

He attributed this behavior(al) changes to the basic Indian culture of "listening and doing what is dictated", which in turn is the result of the Brits brainwashing.

Which one his statements you PRECISELY counter? Stop blabbering about we won T20, won this and won that... Those are all now "Once upon a time"

saar, I do not follow cricket but I do know that India had a series of firangis as a coach for a while. apparently the coaches who came just before and after him did a pretty good job of leading the same set of meek Indians than him. Apaarently players mince no words in cutting him to size while they are full of praise for the coach after him. So, apparently this guy who says that Indians believe in servitude to firangis had tough time getting those guys to follow him and the guys who did not come with the same pretense were fairly successful in leading the same set of guys to perform.

Apparently the captain of the team that this guy inherited was known for getting his way (something which contradicts the servitude theory) and apparently that was the biggest cause of friction between the coach and the team. Can some one please enlighten me how these set of facts fit with the servitude theory?

P.S: No R method please.

hahahahaha.. This post is full of WIN.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:01 pm

My only point is he is right about the Indian culture of servant mindset and how it ALSO affected the cricket.

Everyone knows Chappell has ego issues and cannot hold a job. That does not mean we should recognize anything he says.

it is indeed true that the Indian cultural influences are greatly responsible for the speedy downturn of Indian ciricket - chappell or no Chappell.

No Indian will say it but Chappell said it.

by doofus_maximus Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:11 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:My only point is he is right about the Indian culture of servant mindset and how it ALSO affected the cricket.

Everyone knows Chappell has ego issues and cannot hold a job. That does not mean we should recognize anything he says.

Proverbial freudian slip .. hahaha Thanks Upps.

it is indeed true that the Indian cultural influences are greatly responsible for the speedy downturn of Indian ciricket - chappell or no Chappell.

No Indian will say it but Chappell said it.

by artood2 Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:38 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:My only point is he is right about the Indian culture of servant mindset and how it ALSO affected the cricket.

Everyone knows Chappell has ego issues and cannot hold a job. That does not mean we should recognize anything he says.

it is indeed true that the Indian cultural influences are greatly responsible for the speedy downturn of Indian ciricket - chappell or no Chappell.

No Indian will say it but Chappell said it.

I don't follow sports enough to venture a guess on the state of Indian cricket team but apathy or ineptitude often explains sports failure better than servitude.

I was just wondering why Mr. Chapell stopped at the pommies and not venture further into the history of India to relate servitude to Mughal invasion. That surely would have spiced this forum a bit. Probably the OZ history books do not go that far. May be he could also include synthesis or lack of it somewhere in this reasons.

by Guest Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:13 pm

I've always maintained that his guy is cuckoo and is the worst thing that could have happened to Indian cricket.

Any guy who signs his letters with an "MBE" should be viewed with great suspicion and am surprised that so many people could not see through him.

by Guest Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:54 am

i just wish to point out that in the Times of India poll, 63% said they agreed with Chappell:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/pollslist/2238809.cms

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:45 am

Is Chappell right or is he right?...

Mulayam, whose health has been poor, wants Khan to propose Akhilesh's name as leader of the legislative party (and therefore CM) at Saturday's meeting and Shivpal to second it, in the time-tested way of projecting a unified face to the world and conveying that all was well. That would make both Khan and Shivpal stakeholders in this key decision, and they will be rewarded with plum posts.

***************

Do we need any more "live" proof than this to back Chappell's statement about the Indian Culture?

by charvaka Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:34 am

artood2 wrote:P.S: No R method please.

LOL. I guess the Method is here to stay.

by Guest Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:58 am

charvaka wrote:
artood2 wrote:P.S: No R PP method please.
LOL. I guess the Method is here to stay.

*Corrected*

by artood2 Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:45 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
artood2 wrote:P.S: No R PP method please.
LOL. I guess the Method is here to stay.

*Corrected*

hey I know what I meant. R it is.

by Guest Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:49 pm

artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
artood2 wrote:P.S: No R PP method please.
LOL. I guess the Method is here to stay.

*Corrected*

hey I know what I meant. R PP it is.

OK

by artood2 Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:49 pm

Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
artood2 wrote:P.S: No R PP method please.
LOL. I guess the Method is here to stay.

*Corrected*

hey I know what I meant. R PP it is.

OK

Thanks PPashmun.

by Guest Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:52 pm

artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:LOL. I guess the Method is here to stay.

*Corrected*

hey I know what I meant. R PP it is.

OK

Thanks PP~~ashmun~~ it is.

OK

by artood2 Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:55 pm

Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

*Corrected*

hey I know what I meant. R PP it is.

OK

Thanks PP~~ashmun~~ it is.

OK

So you are now claiming to be PP? identity crisis.

or should i say identity cPPisis?

by Guest Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:57 pm

artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:

hey I know what I meant. R PP it is.

OK

Thanks PP~~ashmun~~ it is.

OK

So you are now claiming to be PP? identity crisis.

or should i say identity cPPisis?

OK

by artood2 Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:05 pm

Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

OK

Thanks PP~~ashmun~~ it is.

OK

So you are now claiming to be PP? identity crisis.

or should i say identity cPPisis?

OK

Thanks PPashmun

by Guest Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:11 pm

artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
artood2 wrote:

Thanks PP~~ashmun~~ it is.

OK

So you are now claiming to be PP? identity crisis.

or should i say identity cPPisis?

OK

Thanks PPRashmun.

*Corrected*

by chameli Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:58 pm

ive never understood why the Indian team doesnt have an Indian great eg kapil dev/gavaskar to coach them .why do we need foreigners ?

lord we live eat and drink this game 24/7

and then this bloke turns around and writes a book ? hope the book doesnt sell

what is wrong with us ?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:07 pm

chameli wrote:ive never understood why the Indian team doesnt have an Indian great eg kapil dev/gavaskar to coach them .why do we need foreigners ?

lord we live eat and drink this game 24/7

and then this bloke turns around and writes a book ? hope the book doesnt sell

what is wrong with us ?

Coaching is a different cup of tea. Indian players might look at the former greats as their idols rather than coach - think of a prasanna, Bedi, Gavaskar, etc....also they may not be cut out for this.

The white guys always invoke a sense of obedience, awe, worship in Indians.

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