Are we supposed to feel sorry for them?

by MulaiAzhagi Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:33 am

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-pix-descendents-of-a-mughal-emperor-live-in-penury/20120328.htm

by Guest Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:36 am

MulaiAzhagi wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-pix-descendents-of-a-mughal-emperor-live-in-penury/20120328.htm

should they appeal to the Nawab of Arcot for help? After all, the first Nawab was a representative of the Mughals.

by chameli Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:45 am

they should ask for help from the underworld Mafia ..Dawood Ibrahim and such

they come from the same stock don't they ?

by Guest Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:04 am

chameli wrote:they should ask for help from the underworld Mafia ..Dawood Ibrahim and such

they come from the same stock don't they ?

although i have a poor opinion of Aurangzeb, i happen to have a largely positive view of the other mughals. This letter of Shivaji to Aurangzeb is just one example of why i--like the great Maratha ruler Shivaji--admire the mughals:

http://rashmun.sulekha.com/blog/post/2009/08/shivaji-letter-to-aurangzeb.htm

by chameli Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:23 am

I highly doubt it rashmun

Shivaji was cagey and wiley .. dont go by his letters

He is known for his strategy in getting out of a tricky situation ..many a time his quick wit and tongue saved him from being buried by the Mughals

If he admired them and least of all Aurangzeb the Marathas would be highly disappointed in calling him their leader

by Guest Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:49 pm

chameli wrote:I highly doubt it rashmun

Shivaji was cagey and wiley .. dont go by his letters

He is known for his strategy in getting out of a tricky situation ..many a time his quick wit and tongue saved him from being buried by the Mughals

If he admired them and least of all Aurangzeb the Marathas would be highly disappointed in calling him their leader

in that letter to Aurangzeb, Shivaji criticizes Aurangzeb for his religious policies. At the same time, Shivaji praises the religious policy of Akbar, Jahangir, and Shah Jahan. Specifically, he condemns Aurangzeb for reimposing the jaziya (special tax on non-muslims) which had been abolished by Akbar.

by chameli Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:03 pm

Aurangzeb was the original Taliban following the wahabi tradition long before Mr.Wahab himself was born in Saudi Arabia

Akbar was probably tolerant with his religion having married Jodha bai ( could be to make peace with the Rajputs ) whose son was Jehangir

but i dont see how jehangir or shah jahan were nice people

.sponsor of the arts but cruel and tyrannical

by Guest Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:35 pm

chameli wrote:Aurangzeb was the original Taliban following the wahabi tradition long before Mr.Wahab himself was born in Saudi Arabia

Akbar was probably tolerant with his religion having married Jodha bai ( could be to make peace with the Rajputs ) whose son was Jehangir

but i dont see how jehangir or shah jahan were nice people

.sponsor of the arts but cruel and tyrannical

in his autobiography, Jahangir writes that he would often go to the abode of the hindu sage Jadrup (i.e. he would go to Jadrup, he would not ask Jadrup to come to him) whereupon the two would discuss the 'science of Vedanta'. He writes that he would feel lighthearted after his discussions with Jadrup. I give below a famous painting of Jahangir and Jadrup:

Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? Jadrupmax

Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? Jadrupmax

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:13 pm

Rashmun wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-pix-descendents-of-a-mughal-emperor-live-in-penury/20120328.htm

should they appeal to the Nawab of Arcot for help? After all, the first Nawab was a representative of the Mughals.

Proof that Soudh indians are cultured and respectful than the naardh indians who like to take revenge against their oppressors.

by Guest Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:17 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MulaiAzhagi wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-pix-descendents-of-a-mughal-emperor-live-in-penury/20120328.htm

should they appeal to the Nawab of Arcot for help? After all, the first Nawab was a representative of the Mughals.

Proof that Soudh indians are cultured and respectful than the naardh indians who like to take revenge against their oppressors.

the really bad days of the mughals began when the last mughal king Bahadur Shah Zafar decided to take part in the 1857 war of independence against the British. After the British won, they made the mughals paupers.

Nawabs of Arcot, in contrast, remained loyal to the British. So the British did not touch him.

If Bahadur Shah Zafar would have declared allegiance and loyalty to the British, his descendants would have also been living in style today (like the current Nawab of Arcot).

by chameli Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:45 pm

to give a parallel Jaipur and Udaipur had a cosy deal with the Mughals which is why they were never attacked

whereas the other Maharajahs fought and were struck down along with their cities

by Guest Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:59 pm

chameli wrote:to give a parallel Jaipur and Udaipur had a cosy deal with the Mughals which is why they were never attacked

whereas the other Maharajahs fought and were struck down along with their cities

akbar had signed peace agreements with all the rajput kings except Rana Pratap of Mewar who preferred to fight with akbar. after the deaths of akbar and rana pratap, their sons (Jahangir and amar singh) signed a peace agreement.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:43 pm

**never mind**

by chameli Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:52 pm

rashmun,

peace agreements are fine but do u mean to say akbar ,jehangir and amar singh never fought wars ?

..they lived in peace with the rest of India ...happily ever after ?

by Guest Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:54 pm

chameli wrote:rashmun,

peace agreements are fine but do u mean to say akbar ,jehangir and amar singh never fought wars ?

..they lived in peace with the rest of India ...happily ever after ?

in medieval times there was no kingdom in the world which never fought any wars.

by chameli Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:10 pm

medieval sounds uncivilized

mughals were beyond that

my question is ...did they nor accumulate more land fighting the natives

so what kind of peace agreements were these

by Guest Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:14 pm

chameli wrote:medieval sounds uncivilized

mughals were beyond that

my question is ...did they nor accumulate more land fighting the natives

so what kind of peace agreements were these

the essential feature of the peace agreements with the rajput kings was: the rajputs would be allowed to rule over their kingdoms while accepting the overall suzerainty of the mughal emperor.

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