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The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:44 am
Someone asked me, “Justice Katju, you say you wish to keep away from controversies, but why is it that controversies keep chasing you?” I replied that while it is true that I wish to be uncontroversial, I have a great defect: I cannot remain silent when I see my country going downhill. Even if others are deaf and dumb, I am not. So I will speak out. As Faiz said: “Bol ki lab azad hain tere/ Bol zubaan ab tak teri hai.”
In our shastras it is written: “Satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat, na bruyat satyam apriyam.” It means, “Speak the truth, speak the pleasant, but do not speak the unpleasant truth.” I wish to rectify this. The country’s situation today requires that we say “Bruyat satyam apriyam”, i.e. “Speak the unpleasant truth”.
When I said that 90 per cent Indians are fools I spoke an unpleasant truth. The truth is that the minds of 90 per cent Indians are full of casteism, communalism, superstition. Consider the following:
First, when our people go to vote in elections, 90 per cent vote on the basis of caste or community, not the merits of the candidate. That is why Phoolan Devi, a known dacoit-cum-murderer, was elected to Parliament — because she belonged to a backward caste that had a large number of voters in that constituency. Vote banks are on the basis of caste and community, which are manipulated by unscrupulous politicians and others.
Second, 90 per cent Indians believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. Even a little common sense tells us that the movements of stars and planets have nothing to do with our lives. Yet, TV channels showing astrology have high TRP ratings.
Third, cricket has been turned into a religion by our corporatised media, and most people lap it up like opium. The real problems facing 80 per cent of the people are socio-economic — poverty, unemployment, malnourishment, price rise, lack of healthcare, education, housing etc. But the media sidelines or minimises these real issues, and gives the impression that the real issues are the lives of film stars, fashion, cricket, etc. When Rahul Dravid retired, the media depicted it as a great misfortune for the country, and when Sachin Tendulkar scored his 100th century it was depicted as a great achievement for India. Day after day, the media kept harping on this, whereas the issues of a quarter of a million farmers’ suicides and 47 per cent Indian children being malnourished were sidelined.
Fourth, I had criticised the media hype around Dev Anand’s death at a time when 47 farmers in India were committing suicide on an average every day for the last 15 years. A section of the media attacked me for doing so, but I reiterate that I see no justification for the high publicity given by the media to this event for several days. In my opinion, Dev Anand’s films transported the minds of poor people to a world of make-believe, like a hill station where Dev Anand was romancing some girl. This gave relief for a couple of hours to the viewers from their lives of drudgery. Such films, to my mind, serve no social purpose, but act instead like a drug or alcohol to send the viewer temporarily from his miserable existence to a beautiful world of tinsel.
Finally, during the recent Anna Hazare agitation in Delhi, the media hyped the event as a solution to the problem of corruption. In reality it was, as Shakespeare said in Macbeth, “...a tale/ Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,/ Signifying nothing”. (In an earlier piece in this paper, ‘Recreating Frankenstein’s monster’, IE, March 31, I had said, “The Lokpal Bill will create a parallel bureaucracy, which will turn into Frankenstein’s monster.”) At that time, if anyone had raised any logical questions, he would have been denounced as a “gaddar” or “deshdrohi”. The people who collected at Jantar Mantar or the Ramlila grounds displayed a mob mentality that has been accurately described by Shakespeare in Julius Caesar.
After Caesar’s murder, Mark Antony stirred up the Roman mob, which went around seeking revenge on the conspirators. One of the conspirators was named Cinna. The mob caught hold of another man, also named Cinna, who protested that he was Cinna the poet and not Cinna the conspirator. Despite his protests, the mob said, “tear him for his bad verses”, and lynched him.
The Jan Lokpal Bill 2011 defines an act of corruption as punishable under Chapter IX of the Indian Penal Code or under the Prevention of Corruption Act vide Section 2(e). Section 6(a) of the bill says the Lokpal will exercise superintendence over investigation of acts of corruption, and section 6(c) empowers the Lokpal to punish acts of corruption after giving a hearing. Section 6(e) authorises the Lokpal to initiate prosecution, and section 6(f) authorises him to ensure proper prosecution. Section 6(i)(j) authorises him to receive complaints.
Section 2(c) of the Prevention of Corruption Act defines a public servant very widely. It includes not only government servants but also a host of other categories, such as employees of a local body, judges, certain office-bearers of some cooperative societies, officials of Service Commission or Board, and vice chancellors and teachers in universities.
As pointed out in ‘Recreating Frankenstein’s monster’, there are about 55 lakh government employees (13 lakh in the Railways alone). There will be several lakhs more in other categories coming under the definition of public servant according to the Prevention of Corruption Act. Obviously, one person cannot supervise and decide on presumably millions of complaints pouring in against them. Hence, thousands of Lokpals, maybe 50,000 or more, will have to be appointed. They will have to be given salaries, offices, staff, etc. Considering the low level of morality prevailing in India, we can be fairly certain that most of them will become blackmailers. It will create a parallel bureaucracy, which in one stroke will double the corruption in the country. And who will guard these Praetorian Guards? A body of Super Lokpals?
All this was not rationally analysed. Instead, the hysterical mob that gathered in Jantar Mantar and Ramlila grounds in Delhi thought that corruption would be ended by shouting “Bharat Mata ki Jai” and “Inquilab Zindabad”.
It is time Indians woke up to all this. When I called 90 per cent of them fools my intention was not to harm them, rather it was just the contrary. I want to see Indians prosper, I want poverty and unemployment abolished, I want the standard of living of the 80 per cent poor Indians to rise so that they get decent lives.
But this is possible when their mindset changes, when their minds are rid of casteism, communalism and superstition, and they become scientific and modern.
By being modern, I do not mean wearing a nice suit or a beautiful sari or skirt. Being modern means having a modern mind, which means a rational mind, a logical mind, a questioning mind, a scientific mind. At one time, India led the world in science and technology (see my article “Sanskrit as a language of Science” on kgfindia.com). That was because our scientific ancestors, like Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, Sushruta, Charaka etc, questioned everything. However, we subsequently took the unscientific path of superstition and empty ritual, which has led us to disaster. Today we are far behind the West in science and technology.
The worst thing in life is poverty, and 80 per cent of our people are poor. To abolish poverty, we need to spread the scientific outlook to every nook and corner of our country. It is only then that India will shine. And until that happens, the vast majority of our people will continue to be taken for a ride.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-90/934145/0
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Natesa Janakiraman | 09-Apr-2012
Let us not shoot the messenger. Instead we should let such introspection thrive. Most Indians are not only fools but are also indiciplined and lack civilized behaviour ( to wit -- spitting in public places, defacing public property ad infinitum). We could be proud of our past glories all we want, but our actions and attitudes are self-centered and for most part corrupted. Frankly at times I wonder if we deserve the freedom we enjoy as we do not match it with individual responsibility. Sad story, Kudos to the judge who reminds be of a dare devil like Rajagopalacahri. NJ
Justice Katju's article
By: Manmohan Singh | Monday , 9 Apr '12 13:08:41 PM
I agree with Justice Katju's article, as I interpret that the learned judge is bluntly saying that 90% of Indians have been befooled for so many years and those majority Indians remain poor and continue to suffer.The rest 10% are growing rich by the day by hook and by crook.They are corrupt and dishonest.They along with media befool the people by distracting them to cricket and Bollywood......
Well Said.
By: Sanjay | Monday , 9 Apr '12 13:02:10 PMReply | Forward
The author has highlighted an unpleasant truth. Unfortunately most of us prefer pleasant-lies rather than unpleasant-truths and this is the single-most reason for our failure to tackle problems like corruption, poverty, casteism, communalism, gender-bias etc. First step to solving a problem is to recognise it but since we are in a habit of sidelining unpleasant-truths, we are unable to take right steps towards solutions and that is the reason why most of the problems (as mentioned above) continue to bug our country even after 65 years of independence. Even though media has played an active role in exposing corruption cases and creating awareness but it can do more in nation building activities by focusing more on real issues of poverty, caste, communal riots, dowry, female infanticide etc. Maybe Mr. Katju can bring in some change in the functioning of media during his tenure. We need more people like him who are not afraid of being castigated for speaking unpleasant-truths.
Three cheers for Justice Katju
By: Sanjay Saksena | Monday , 9 Apr '12 12:38:51 PM
My only disagreement with the learned judge is in respect of the figure of 90 percent. In my view the number of fools in this country is larger and, if a proper survey is done, the figure would come out to be around 99 percent. A salient characteristic of our people is to accept unquestioningly whatever is fed to them. In the sixties we were told socialism is the superior model and capitalism is evil. In the seventies we were told that foreeign hands are busy conspiring against us. In the eighties we were told that the OBC are a deepy depressed lot who require special dispensaiton. In the nineties we were told that terrorism has no religious dimension, and in the past decade we are reminded again and again how the whole world is jealous of India's rise - the Australians, the Norwegians, the Italians, et al. Each and every lie fed to us was accepted unqestioningly by a foolish people who have sworn not to exercise their minds and uncritically believe whatever lies are fed to them.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-90/934145/0
In our shastras it is written: “Satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat, na bruyat satyam apriyam.” It means, “Speak the truth, speak the pleasant, but do not speak the unpleasant truth.” I wish to rectify this. The country’s situation today requires that we say “Bruyat satyam apriyam”, i.e. “Speak the unpleasant truth”.
When I said that 90 per cent Indians are fools I spoke an unpleasant truth. The truth is that the minds of 90 per cent Indians are full of casteism, communalism, superstition. Consider the following:
First, when our people go to vote in elections, 90 per cent vote on the basis of caste or community, not the merits of the candidate. That is why Phoolan Devi, a known dacoit-cum-murderer, was elected to Parliament — because she belonged to a backward caste that had a large number of voters in that constituency. Vote banks are on the basis of caste and community, which are manipulated by unscrupulous politicians and others.
Second, 90 per cent Indians believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. Even a little common sense tells us that the movements of stars and planets have nothing to do with our lives. Yet, TV channels showing astrology have high TRP ratings.
Third, cricket has been turned into a religion by our corporatised media, and most people lap it up like opium. The real problems facing 80 per cent of the people are socio-economic — poverty, unemployment, malnourishment, price rise, lack of healthcare, education, housing etc. But the media sidelines or minimises these real issues, and gives the impression that the real issues are the lives of film stars, fashion, cricket, etc. When Rahul Dravid retired, the media depicted it as a great misfortune for the country, and when Sachin Tendulkar scored his 100th century it was depicted as a great achievement for India. Day after day, the media kept harping on this, whereas the issues of a quarter of a million farmers’ suicides and 47 per cent Indian children being malnourished were sidelined.
Fourth, I had criticised the media hype around Dev Anand’s death at a time when 47 farmers in India were committing suicide on an average every day for the last 15 years. A section of the media attacked me for doing so, but I reiterate that I see no justification for the high publicity given by the media to this event for several days. In my opinion, Dev Anand’s films transported the minds of poor people to a world of make-believe, like a hill station where Dev Anand was romancing some girl. This gave relief for a couple of hours to the viewers from their lives of drudgery. Such films, to my mind, serve no social purpose, but act instead like a drug or alcohol to send the viewer temporarily from his miserable existence to a beautiful world of tinsel.
Finally, during the recent Anna Hazare agitation in Delhi, the media hyped the event as a solution to the problem of corruption. In reality it was, as Shakespeare said in Macbeth, “...a tale/ Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,/ Signifying nothing”. (In an earlier piece in this paper, ‘Recreating Frankenstein’s monster’, IE, March 31, I had said, “The Lokpal Bill will create a parallel bureaucracy, which will turn into Frankenstein’s monster.”) At that time, if anyone had raised any logical questions, he would have been denounced as a “gaddar” or “deshdrohi”. The people who collected at Jantar Mantar or the Ramlila grounds displayed a mob mentality that has been accurately described by Shakespeare in Julius Caesar.
After Caesar’s murder, Mark Antony stirred up the Roman mob, which went around seeking revenge on the conspirators. One of the conspirators was named Cinna. The mob caught hold of another man, also named Cinna, who protested that he was Cinna the poet and not Cinna the conspirator. Despite his protests, the mob said, “tear him for his bad verses”, and lynched him.
The Jan Lokpal Bill 2011 defines an act of corruption as punishable under Chapter IX of the Indian Penal Code or under the Prevention of Corruption Act vide Section 2(e). Section 6(a) of the bill says the Lokpal will exercise superintendence over investigation of acts of corruption, and section 6(c) empowers the Lokpal to punish acts of corruption after giving a hearing. Section 6(e) authorises the Lokpal to initiate prosecution, and section 6(f) authorises him to ensure proper prosecution. Section 6(i)(j) authorises him to receive complaints.
Section 2(c) of the Prevention of Corruption Act defines a public servant very widely. It includes not only government servants but also a host of other categories, such as employees of a local body, judges, certain office-bearers of some cooperative societies, officials of Service Commission or Board, and vice chancellors and teachers in universities.
As pointed out in ‘Recreating Frankenstein’s monster’, there are about 55 lakh government employees (13 lakh in the Railways alone). There will be several lakhs more in other categories coming under the definition of public servant according to the Prevention of Corruption Act. Obviously, one person cannot supervise and decide on presumably millions of complaints pouring in against them. Hence, thousands of Lokpals, maybe 50,000 or more, will have to be appointed. They will have to be given salaries, offices, staff, etc. Considering the low level of morality prevailing in India, we can be fairly certain that most of them will become blackmailers. It will create a parallel bureaucracy, which in one stroke will double the corruption in the country. And who will guard these Praetorian Guards? A body of Super Lokpals?
All this was not rationally analysed. Instead, the hysterical mob that gathered in Jantar Mantar and Ramlila grounds in Delhi thought that corruption would be ended by shouting “Bharat Mata ki Jai” and “Inquilab Zindabad”.
It is time Indians woke up to all this. When I called 90 per cent of them fools my intention was not to harm them, rather it was just the contrary. I want to see Indians prosper, I want poverty and unemployment abolished, I want the standard of living of the 80 per cent poor Indians to rise so that they get decent lives.
But this is possible when their mindset changes, when their minds are rid of casteism, communalism and superstition, and they become scientific and modern.
By being modern, I do not mean wearing a nice suit or a beautiful sari or skirt. Being modern means having a modern mind, which means a rational mind, a logical mind, a questioning mind, a scientific mind. At one time, India led the world in science and technology (see my article “Sanskrit as a language of Science” on kgfindia.com). That was because our scientific ancestors, like Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, Sushruta, Charaka etc, questioned everything. However, we subsequently took the unscientific path of superstition and empty ritual, which has led us to disaster. Today we are far behind the West in science and technology.
The worst thing in life is poverty, and 80 per cent of our people are poor. To abolish poverty, we need to spread the scientific outlook to every nook and corner of our country. It is only then that India will shine. And until that happens, the vast majority of our people will continue to be taken for a ride.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-90/934145/0
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Natesa Janakiraman | 09-Apr-2012
Let us not shoot the messenger. Instead we should let such introspection thrive. Most Indians are not only fools but are also indiciplined and lack civilized behaviour ( to wit -- spitting in public places, defacing public property ad infinitum). We could be proud of our past glories all we want, but our actions and attitudes are self-centered and for most part corrupted. Frankly at times I wonder if we deserve the freedom we enjoy as we do not match it with individual responsibility. Sad story, Kudos to the judge who reminds be of a dare devil like Rajagopalacahri. NJ
Justice Katju's article
By: Manmohan Singh | Monday , 9 Apr '12 13:08:41 PM
I agree with Justice Katju's article, as I interpret that the learned judge is bluntly saying that 90% of Indians have been befooled for so many years and those majority Indians remain poor and continue to suffer.The rest 10% are growing rich by the day by hook and by crook.They are corrupt and dishonest.They along with media befool the people by distracting them to cricket and Bollywood......
Well Said.
By: Sanjay | Monday , 9 Apr '12 13:02:10 PMReply | Forward
The author has highlighted an unpleasant truth. Unfortunately most of us prefer pleasant-lies rather than unpleasant-truths and this is the single-most reason for our failure to tackle problems like corruption, poverty, casteism, communalism, gender-bias etc. First step to solving a problem is to recognise it but since we are in a habit of sidelining unpleasant-truths, we are unable to take right steps towards solutions and that is the reason why most of the problems (as mentioned above) continue to bug our country even after 65 years of independence. Even though media has played an active role in exposing corruption cases and creating awareness but it can do more in nation building activities by focusing more on real issues of poverty, caste, communal riots, dowry, female infanticide etc. Maybe Mr. Katju can bring in some change in the functioning of media during his tenure. We need more people like him who are not afraid of being castigated for speaking unpleasant-truths.
Three cheers for Justice Katju
By: Sanjay Saksena | Monday , 9 Apr '12 12:38:51 PM
My only disagreement with the learned judge is in respect of the figure of 90 percent. In my view the number of fools in this country is larger and, if a proper survey is done, the figure would come out to be around 99 percent. A salient characteristic of our people is to accept unquestioningly whatever is fed to them. In the sixties we were told socialism is the superior model and capitalism is evil. In the seventies we were told that foreeign hands are busy conspiring against us. In the eighties we were told that the OBC are a deepy depressed lot who require special dispensaiton. In the nineties we were told that terrorism has no religious dimension, and in the past decade we are reminded again and again how the whole world is jealous of India's rise - the Australians, the Norwegians, the Italians, et al. Each and every lie fed to us was accepted unqestioningly by a foolish people who have sworn not to exercise their minds and uncritically believe whatever lies are fed to them.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-90/934145/0
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by chameli Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:19 pm
I find Indians to be the shrewdest bastards !
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:36 pm
chameli wrote:I find Indians to be the shrewdest bastards !
in some respects they are shrewd, in other respects they are foolish. voting in general elections on the basis of caste or religion instead of merit is clearly foolish.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by MulaiAzhagi Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:39 pm
Second, 90 per cent Indians believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. Even a little common sense tells us that the movements of stars and planets have nothing to do with our lives. Yet, TV channels showing astrology have high TRP ratings.
===> There is a 34 year old desi who is an associate professor of mathematics here in the United States. The man went to MIT for undergraduate degree in math and has a Ph.D from an ivy league school. He absloutely believes in Astrology. They tell you that studying Math is supposed to train you think logically.
===> There is a 34 year old desi who is an associate professor of mathematics here in the United States. The man went to MIT for undergraduate degree in math and has a Ph.D from an ivy league school. He absloutely believes in Astrology. They tell you that studying Math is supposed to train you think logically.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by charvaka Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:41 pm
Which caste and subcaste is he from? Which city and ward?MulaiAzhagi wrote:Second, 90 per cent Indians believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. Even a little common sense tells us that the movements of stars and planets have nothing to do with our lives. Yet, TV channels showing astrology have high TRP ratings.
===> There is a 34 year old desi who is an associate professor of mathematics here in the United States. The man went to MIT for undergraduate degree in math and has a Ph.D from an ivy league school. He absloutely believes in Astrology. They tell you that studying Math is supposed to train you think logically.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:43 pm
MulaiAzhagi wrote:Second, 90 per cent Indians believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. Even a little common sense tells us that the movements of stars and planets have nothing to do with our lives. Yet, TV channels showing astrology have high TRP ratings.
===> There is a 34 year old desi who is an associate professor of mathematics here in the United States. The man went to MIT for undergraduate degree in math and has a Ph.D from an ivy league school. He absloutely believes in Astrology. They tell you that studying Math is supposed to train you think logically.
in the readers' comments, one poster compares Katju to C.Rajagopalachari. Was Rajaji against superstition and astrology?
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:59 pm
charvaka wrote:Which caste and subcaste is he from? Which city and ward?MulaiAzhagi wrote:Second, 90 per cent Indians believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. Even a little common sense tells us that the movements of stars and planets have nothing to do with our lives. Yet, TV channels showing astrology have high TRP ratings.
===> There is a 34 year old desi who is an associate professor of mathematics here in the United States. The man went to MIT for undergraduate degree in math and has a Ph.D from an ivy league school. He absloutely believes in Astrology. They tell you that studying Math is supposed to train you think logically.
If you cannot zoom it down to a few castes and subcastes, then you have wasted all your time here on this site, and has learnt nothing.
Who is more likely to go to an IVY league UG? Who is likely to do M A T H ? Who is likely to go for a P h D, and that too in M A T H? and who despite all these, likely to believe in astrology?
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by MulaiAzhagi Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:36 pm
If you cannot zoom it down to a few castes and subcastes, then you have wasted all your time here on this site, and has learnt nothing.
Who is more likely to go to an IVY league UG? Who is likely to do M A T H ? Who is likely to go for a P h D, and that too in M A T H? and who despite all these, likely to believe in astrology?
===> I was afraidy ou guys would bring it up.
The fellow is a Chettiar, the business community. He was brilliant and won international competitions in math when he went to high school in India. That is what made him get a scholarship to go to MIT. BTW I find Non-Brahmins tend to be more into Astrology than Brahmins. They really believe this $hit.
BTW I heard a story about an Iyer Maami in Mylapore who cynically manipulated the stupidity of those who believed in Astrology. She wanted to get her daughters married well. She would take the horoscopes of IAS officers to an astrolger whom she knew. She would ask him to prepare horoscopes for her daughters which would perfectly match the horoscopes of those boys.
Who is more likely to go to an IVY league UG? Who is likely to do M A T H ? Who is likely to go for a P h D, and that too in M A T H? and who despite all these, likely to believe in astrology?
===> I was afraidy ou guys would bring it up.
The fellow is a Chettiar, the business community. He was brilliant and won international competitions in math when he went to high school in India. That is what made him get a scholarship to go to MIT. BTW I find Non-Brahmins tend to be more into Astrology than Brahmins. They really believe this $hit.
BTW I heard a story about an Iyer Maami in Mylapore who cynically manipulated the stupidity of those who believed in Astrology. She wanted to get her daughters married well. She would take the horoscopes of IAS officers to an astrolger whom she knew. She would ask him to prepare horoscopes for her daughters which would perfectly match the horoscopes of those boys.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by chameli Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:40 pm
rashmun,
ur adjective "foolish ' is a wrong one
if Indian people voted on basis of caste or religion they would still be considered as " shrewd " .... " they could have a selfish motive behind it
foolish would be if they voted for the wrong person based on his/her looks ,dress or colour of underwear
ur adjective "foolish ' is a wrong one
if Indian people voted on basis of caste or religion they would still be considered as " shrewd " .... " they could have a selfish motive behind it
foolish would be if they voted for the wrong person based on his/her looks ,dress or colour of underwear
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:46 pm
chameli wrote:rashmun,
ur adjective "foolish ' is a wrong one
if Indian people voted on basis of caste or religion they would still be considered as " shrewd " .... " they could have a selfish motive behind it
foolish would be if they voted for the wrong person based on his/her looks ,dress or colour of underwear
in the short run they might benefit by voting for their 'tribe', but in the long run--in my opinion--they do a disservice not only to the country but to everyone including themselves and their progeny by not ensuring that the most meritorious are elected as the representatives of the people.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by charvaka Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:20 pm
O Justice Katju
So wonderful are you
Without your insight
We are dark without light
So thank you, we do
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42614#42614
So wonderful are you
Without your insight
We are dark without light
So thank you, we do
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42614#42614
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by charvaka Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:21 pm
O Justice Katju
Without you, what will we do?
Shine on your light divine
For us thoughtless bovine
You are our hero, we moo
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42615#42615
Without you, what will we do?
Shine on your light divine
For us thoughtless bovine
You are our hero, we moo
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42615#42615
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by charvaka Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:23 pm
This [Katju] guy is the Rakhi Sawant of our venerable judiciary.
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42648#42648
Now, is Rakhi Sawant part of the 90% or the 10%?
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42648#42648
Now, is Rakhi Sawant part of the 90% or the 10%?
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by charvaka Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:25 pm
What a blessing is old Katju
He is there to teach you
That an ass with status
Still got no afflatus
Say, don't let him catch you!
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42658#42658
He is there to teach you
That an ass with status
Still got no afflatus
Say, don't let him catch you!
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42658#42658
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:35 pm
the love poems Charvaka gives in his posts are what evidently a few fans of Salman Rushdie wrote in response to the following Outlook article:
Rushdie a Poor, Sub-Standard Writer: Katju
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42615#42615
Rushdie a Poor, Sub-Standard Writer: Katju
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748953&commentid=42615#42615
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:42 pm
Judicial diplomacy seems to be the new mantra for the Indian Supreme Court these days. A bench presided over by Justice Markandey Katju (since retired) had shot off a judgment to Pakistan requesting it to release an Indian prisoner on humanitarian grounds. Gopal Dass was subsequently released and the thanksgiving has now come in a recent judgment by another bench headed by Justice A. K. Gangly who retired recently.
"We appreciate the good gesture of the Pakistan Government in response to the aforesaid judgment rendered by this Court," the court noted in its order.
The observation by Justice Ganguly's bench came while disposing of a similar writ petition seeking an intervention by the court for release of Sarabjit Singh who was languishing in a Pakistani jail. Singh's counsel had suggested that the court could follow Dass's case as a precedent to make a request to Pakistan.
With Singh's counsel pointing out that Dass had been released following a request by the court, the bench decided to record its appreciation for Pakistan's gesture by before making a similar request in its order on the petition on Singh's behalf.
The bench said it hoped that the Pakistani authorities would consider the appeal on humanitarian grounds. "The prayer of a person for release may be considered by its counterpart in Pakistan with appropriate dignity and regard," the bench said, while taking forward Justice Katju's judicial diplomacy.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/gay-law-government-parliament-homosexuality/1/174878.html
"We appreciate the good gesture of the Pakistan Government in response to the aforesaid judgment rendered by this Court," the court noted in its order.
The observation by Justice Ganguly's bench came while disposing of a similar writ petition seeking an intervention by the court for release of Sarabjit Singh who was languishing in a Pakistani jail. Singh's counsel had suggested that the court could follow Dass's case as a precedent to make a request to Pakistan.
With Singh's counsel pointing out that Dass had been released following a request by the court, the bench decided to record its appreciation for Pakistan's gesture by before making a similar request in its order on the petition on Singh's behalf.
The bench said it hoped that the Pakistani authorities would consider the appeal on humanitarian grounds. "The prayer of a person for release may be considered by its counterpart in Pakistan with appropriate dignity and regard," the bench said, while taking forward Justice Katju's judicial diplomacy.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/gay-law-government-parliament-homosexuality/1/174878.html
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Hellsangel Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:48 pm
http://www.outlookindia.com/permafeeds.aspx?source=Wires&id=42661&returnurl=0-1-Wires-01/26/2012#42661
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He is competing with Diggi Raja in making stupid sentences. He is actually far more entertaining that Diggi.
Oops!
He is competing with Diggi Raja in making stupid sentences. He is actually far more entertaining that Diggi.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:23 pm
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/permafeeds.aspx?source=Wires&id=42661&returnurl=0-1-Wires-01/26/2012#42661
Oops!
He is competing with Diggi Raja in making stupid sentences. He is actually far more entertaining that Diggi.
who is bharti? is she the sister of bharta (of baingan fame)?
katju is very entertaining. anything i don't understand must be substandard. therefore the general theory of relativity must suck (pun intended).
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:26 pm
i met a retired indian supreme court judge a couple of years ago at a wedding. she was a very thoughtful, measured and well-spoken woman. i want to go back and ask her what she thinks of this guy. i bet she'd be embarrassed to admit that this guy was a colleague.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:40 pm
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i met a retired indian supreme court judge a couple of years ago at a wedding. she was a very thoughtful, measured and well-spoken woman. i want to go back and ask her what she thinks of this guy. i bet she'd be embarrassed to admit that this guy was a colleague.
i seem to recall you saying that you had a lot of respect for Karan Thapar. This is what Thapar thinks of this guy:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/viewssectionpage/KaranThapar/Is-Katju-Seshan-2-0/Article1-820389.aspx
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:28 pm
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Hellsangel wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/permafeeds.aspx?source=Wires&id=42661&returnurl=0-1-Wires-01/26/2012#42661
Oops!
He is competing with Diggi Raja in making stupid sentences. He is actually far more entertaining that Diggi.
who is bharti? is she the sister of bharta (of baingan fame)?
katju is very entertaining. anything i don't understand must be substandard. therefore the general theory of relativity must suck (pun intended).
in the museum of subramanya bharati (opposite parthasarathy temple) they have a collection of Bharati biographies. I took a look at all of the english biographies of Bharati. I deliberately checked the spelling of 'Bharati' in these books. A clear majority spelled his name as 'Bharati' (without the 'h'). Moreover, the biography by his own daughter spells his name as 'Bharati' (without the 'H'). Even the letter in his own handwriting --which i had scanned and posted on CH after photographing it at the museum--had no 'h' in his signature as i pointed out to you at the time.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:33 pm
the question is, who is katju's bharti.
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Re: The Unpleasant Truth: 90 percent of Indians are Fools
by Guest Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:02 pm
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the question is, who is katju's bharti.
must have been a typo. he spells the name as 'Bharati' here:
I will conclude by quoting verses from the great Tamil poet Subramania Bharati who wrote (around 1908-1910) powerful verses in favour of women’s emancipation
http://kgfindia.com/on-women-emancipation.php
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