elementary school?

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:35 pm

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:02 pm

Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

by Nila Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:07 pm

Elementary School?

Why can't the shooters kill themselves? Is the shooter alive?

by Kumarg Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:09 pm

apparently both caught alive

by ashaNirasha Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:10 pm

I can't even bring myself to read about it. Just looking at the picture of lined up kids, some crying, makes me have palpitations.

18 small children, most of them in Kindergarten! I don't get it about this country.

by Kumarg Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:17 pm

sorry my mistake

The gunman, described as a 20-year-old man from Connecticut, was later found dead, a federal law enforcement official told NBC News. A second person was in custody for a possible connection to the shooting, NBC’s Pete Williams reported.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:32 pm

panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

Am not going to defend guns. Weapon of easiest choice NOW. Issue is all these people have psychotic issues and are not well treated. All sorts of wrong medications that screws them up more. Once such a person decides to kill, they will use a simple tree to kill if they want to.

Yes, with proper gun control rules, there is a hope that their *phases* would pass before they could enact on it. So it might definitely help. Dunno about the magnitude of tragedies though. What if a crazy decides to blow something.

What is more troubling is, how so many people are becoming so dangerously psychotic. Something seriously wrong at the grassroots.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:40 pm

The gunman is the son of one of the teachers. He killed his mother and many children (probably in her class). He's from NJ. Ryan Lanza is his name. Crazy!

by southindian Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:42 pm

Natalia Romanova wrote:
panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

Am not going to defend guns. Weapon of easiest choice NOW. Issue is all these people have psychotic issues and are not well treated. All sorts of wrong medications that screws them up more. Once such a person decides to kill, they will use a simple tree to kill if they want to.

Yes, with proper gun control rules, there is a hope that their *phases* would pass before they could enact on it. So it might definitely help. Dunno about the magnitude of tragedies though. What if a crazy decides to blow something.

What is more troubling is, how so many people are becoming so dangerously psychotic. Something seriously wrong at the grassroots.

December 25th coming up. Believe it or not, the most depressing day for Americans in US. My doctor friend mentioned December 25th being the worst day in hospital emergency.

Holidays and living alone in this country don't go too well together.

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:43 pm

Natalia Romanova wrote:Once such a person decides to kill, they will use a simple tree to kill if they want to.

True. But it is hard to kill 28 people with a tree.

The US needs to get better at treating mental illness, no doubt about it. Instead, the system now provides them easy access to guns.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:45 pm

panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

How come such things don't happen in India? The rage, the violence, killing one's own mother, killing innocent little children...

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:48 pm

Natalia Romanova wrote:
panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

Am not going to defend guns. Weapon of easiest choice NOW. Issue is all these people have psychotic issues and are not well treated. All sorts of wrong medications that screws them up more. Once such a person decides to kill, they will use a simple tree to kill if they want to.

Yes, with proper gun control rules, there is a hope that their *phases* would pass before they could enact on it. So it might definitely help. Dunno about the magnitude of tragedies though. What if a crazy decides to blow something.

What is more troubling is, how so many people are becoming so dangerously psychotic. Something seriously wrong at the grassroots.

i agree with you. something is wrong with this society.

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:48 pm

kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

How come such things don't happen in India? The rage, the violence, killing one's own mother, killing innocent little children...

The people who are mentally disturbed and want to go killing people probably exist in India and every society. But such people in India find it harder to obtain lethal weapons than here.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:49 pm

panini press wrote:
Natalia Romanova wrote:Once such a person decides to kill, they will use a simple tree to kill if they want to.
True. But it is hard to kill 28 people with a tree.

The US needs to get better at treating mental illness, no doubt about it. Instead, the system now provides them easy access to guns.

A bomb can kill 280, 2800, if someone gets to it. And I'm guessing that won't be that hard either.

Gun laws should definitely be there. Not so easy access will buy some time and the person might likely drop the idea. But not stop a real crazy. And more and more people are becoming that. Also in this copy cat society, one person has to do it and everyone will follow.

by southindian Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:49 pm

panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

NRA's parody?

Some NRA idiot once defended on CNN, "Pens don't write evil text either".

Well, pens don't have bullets that can take lives at the pull of a trigger.

I'm sure NRA are already preparing their defense statements for this weekend.

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:52 pm

southindian wrote:
panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

NRA's parody?

Some NRA idiot once defended on CNN, "Pens don't write evil text either".

Well, pens don't have bullets that can take lives at the pull of a trigger.

I'm sure NRA are already preparing their defense statements for this weekend.

Yes, and one of those defenses will be: if only one or more of the elementary school kids had their own guns, the killer would have been shot sooner!

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:53 pm

panini press wrote:
kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

How come such things don't happen in India? The rage, the violence, killing one's own mother, killing innocent little children...
The people who are mentally disturbed and want to go killing people probably exist in India and every society. But such people in India find it harder to obtain lethal weapons than here.

A 'Kadapa bomb', an easily available crude bomb placed in a busy center or a school can kill as many ppl or more. Except for terrorists, no one else does that in india. Guns are not the only things that kill ppl.

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:58 pm

kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

How come such things don't happen in India? The rage, the violence, killing one's own mother, killing innocent little children...
The people who are mentally disturbed and want to go killing people probably exist in India and every society. But such people in India find it harder to obtain lethal weapons than here.

A 'Kadapa bomb', an easily available crude bomb placed in a busy center or a school can kill as many ppl or more. Except for terrorists, no one else does that in india. Guns are not the only things that kill ppl.

Kadapa bombs are not sold to every comer at bomb shows and Walmarts in India. You need to have the right connections to get one. And mentally ill people will find it very hard to get one. That, unfortunately, is not the case with guns in the US. That's why you see so much gun violence here.

It is possible to kill many different ways. But good public policy would be to focus on the weapons that are actually in use in mass killings.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:58 pm

the president says we shouldn't talk about gun control today. so when should we talk? is he going to let us know an auspicious time when the planets are aligned correctly so we can begin talking about this?

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:06 pm

panini press wrote:
It is possible to kill many different ways. But good public policy would be to focus on the weapons that are actually in use in mass killings.

Gun control is good. When a tragedy like this happens, the focus is always on the guns and missing the other aspects. Children killing their own mothers? How ofter do you hear of such things in India?

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:09 pm

kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
It is possible to kill many different ways. But good public policy would be to focus on the weapons that are actually in use in mass killings.

Gun control is good. When a tragedy like this happens, the focus is always on the guns and missing the other aspects. Children killing their own mothers? How ofter do you hear of such things in India?

there are always other aspects. there will always be screwed up parent-child relationships. there will always be folks who go mental. wherever there are human beings, there will be a fraction of them who are mental. there is no way to control that. the only thing we can control is access to guns.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:22 pm

The more I read about this, the more terrifying it becomes. So downright scary and crazy.

When it comes to my kids, that's what I will say too. Guns gotta go!

Besides, never underestimate the power of a society. Something missing in this country. Very little empathy and tolerance. Too much experimentation with drugs.

Guns are easily available in many parts of India too. College students carry them and use them in internal or political fights. Maybe not such powerful guns, but guns nevertheless. Rarely such crazy stuff happen there. Atleast none so far, afaik.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:29 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
It is possible to kill many different ways. But good public policy would be to focus on the weapons that are actually in use in mass killings.

Gun control is good. When a tragedy like this happens, the focus is always on the guns and missing the other aspects. Children killing their own mothers? How ofter do you hear of such things in India?

there are always other aspects. there will always be screwed up parent-child relationships. there will always be folks who go mental. wherever there are human beings, there will be a fraction of them who are mental. there is no way to control that. the only thing we can control is access to guns.

Let's see if your Obama will have what it takes to bring in gun control laws. If not now, then when?

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:29 pm

kinnera wrote:The gunman is the son of one of the teachers. He killed his mother and many children (probably in her class). He's from NJ. Ryan Lanza is his name. Crazy!

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2012/12/hoboken_man_identified_by_medi.html#incart_river_default

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:32 pm

Natalia Romanova wrote:
kinnera wrote:The gunman is the son of one of the teachers. He killed his mother and many children (probably in her class). He's from NJ. Ryan Lanza is his name. Crazy!

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2012/12/hoboken_man_identified_by_medi.html#incart_river_default

Wondering if it is the same guy whose mother works at the elementary school and known to have been killed.

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the president says we shouldn't talk about gun control today. so when should we talk? is he going to let us know an auspicious time when the planets are aligned correctly so we can begin talking about this?

This is ridiculous. It's like saying after 9/11 or Benghazi, now is not the time to talk about terrorism. That would make a lot of people on the right very angry. But if you say, "now is not the time to talk about gun control," that placates the right somehow.

by doofus_maximus Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 pm

kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
It is possible to kill many different ways. But good public policy would be to focus on the weapons that are actually in use in mass killings.

Gun control is good. When a tragedy like this happens, the focus is always on the guns and missing the other aspects. Children killing their own mothers? How ofter do you hear of such things in India?

there are always other aspects. there will always be screwed up parent-child relationships. there will always be folks who go mental. wherever there are human beings, there will be a fraction of them who are mental. there is no way to control that. the only thing we can control is access to guns.

Let's see if your Obama will have what it takes to bring in gun control laws. If not now, then when?

Right...it is time to politicize the issue..

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:36 pm

kinnera wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
It is possible to kill many different ways. But good public policy would be to focus on the weapons that are actually in use in mass killings.

Gun control is good. When a tragedy like this happens, the focus is always on the guns and missing the other aspects. Children killing their own mothers? How ofter do you hear of such things in India?

there are always other aspects. there will always be screwed up parent-child relationships. there will always be folks who go mental. wherever there are human beings, there will be a fraction of them who are mental. there is no way to control that. the only thing we can control is access to guns.

Let's see if your Obama will have what it takes to bring in gun control laws. If not now, then when?

It looks like he doesn't have what it takes.

by ashaNirasha Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:36 pm

kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
It is possible to kill many different ways. But good public policy would be to focus on the weapons that are actually in use in mass killings.

Gun control is good. When a tragedy like this happens, the focus is always on the guns and missing the other aspects. Children killing their own mothers? How ofter do you hear of such things in India?

The focus should absolutely be on the guns. There are always mothers killing children, children killing mothers, all kinds of people wanting to kill others, by whatever means. Getting a gun is the easiest of them all.

If this killer just wanted to kill his mother, he could have easily killed her by other means - strangle her, knife her, poison her, whatever.

Those 18 other kids died because of the guns.

You can't buy a damn antibiotic over the counter in walmart but you can go buy a gun. All these psychotics and maniacs can't buy their meds but they can buy guns.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:38 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:
kinnera wrote:

Let's see if your Obama will have what it takes to bring in gun control laws. If not now, then when?

Right...it is time to politicize the issue..

ok...Our President Obama. Let him be as forceful in bringing the gun control laws as he did for his obamacare the first time around. Hats off to him if he does that.

by doofus_maximus Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:40 pm

it won't happen. Not for the next thousand years.

by ashaNirasha Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:43 pm

That statement from Obama press office/Carney is infuriating. They should at least shut up and talk only about the tragedy if they can't say anything about guns.

Obama never really promised much reg gun control but 'now is not the time' sounds so much like coming from the right.

by Nila Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:43 pm

panini press wrote:Just remember and repeat: guns don't kill people.

Just coz very few carry them. Imagine a society where everyone carries a gun? Imagine every family with gun and imagine a simple argument. If guns don't kill people...why make them to kill people?

Good that in India not many own guns. If our Dads/Moms/Aunts/Siblings carry gun with them....what will happen? If you carry a gun you might end up shooting someone someday. Will that bring peace for someone?

Already in India kids die of hunger/polio drops/unsafe transportation/unsafe school environments....imagine the principal/teachers all carrying a gun?

If that days comes...I wish I weren't alive!

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:43 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:it won't happen. Not for the next thousand years.

What's the point in having a democrat as the President, that too the one who won with full majority?

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:45 pm

doofus_maximus wrote:it won't happen. Not for the next thousand years.

Yeah. If there is something horribly wrong with American culture, it is not that it produces its share of mentally ill people. It is that it has developed a political situation where no politician with national stature can advocate for fixing something that is clearly a problem.

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:48 pm

kinnera wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:it won't happen. Not for the next thousand years.

What's the point in having a democrat as the President, that too the one who won with full majority?

Passing gun control requires majorities in the legislatures at the federal and state levels. The president can't make laws -- unless his party controls both houses of Congress. The only thing he can do is talk about legislative priorities -- and he's not showing leadership even on that front when his administration says "now is not the time to talk about gun control."

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:02 pm

panini press wrote:
kinnera wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:it won't happen. Not for the next thousand years.

What's the point in having a democrat as the President, that too the one who won with full majority?
Passing gun control requires majorities in the legislatures at the federal and state levels. The president can't make laws -- unless his party controls both houses of Congress. The only thing he can do is talk about legislative priorities -- and he's not showing leadership even on that front when his administration says "now is not the time to talk about gun control."

Let's not talk about gun control then. It is what it is. Let's learn to live with it. what's the point of talking about something that is impossible to achieve?

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:14 pm

kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
kinnera wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:it won't happen. Not for the next thousand years.

What's the point in having a democrat as the President, that too the one who won with full majority?
Passing gun control requires majorities in the legislatures at the federal and state levels. The president can't make laws -- unless his party controls both houses of Congress. The only thing he can do is talk about legislative priorities -- and he's not showing leadership even on that front when his administration says "now is not the time to talk about gun control."

Let's not talk about gun control then. It is what it is. Let's learn to live with it. what's the point of talking about something that is impossible to achieve?

For now, we are learning to die with it. We live in a democracy; it is possible to change the laws. What is needed is for supporters of gun control to talk to their elected representatives and their friends and neighbors regarding their beliefs.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:22 pm

panini press wrote:
kinnera wrote:
panini press wrote:
kinnera wrote:
doofus_maximus wrote:it won't happen. Not for the next thousand years.

What's the point in having a democrat as the President, that too the one who won with full majority?
Passing gun control requires majorities in the legislatures at the federal and state levels. The president can't make laws -- unless his party controls both houses of Congress. The only thing he can do is talk about legislative priorities -- and he's not showing leadership even on that front when his administration says "now is not the time to talk about gun control."

Let's not talk about gun control then. It is what it is. Let's learn to live with it. what's the point of talking about something that is impossible to achieve?
For now, we are learning to die with it. We live in a democracy; it is possible to change the laws. What is needed is for supporters of gun control to talk to their elected representatives and their friends and neighbors regarding their beliefs.

The President himself doesn't seem to be doing that, even at this time. This in fact is the right time to do it when the whole country's emotions are high and there is a high level of disgust for guns. This is a testing time for him. We'll see what he does as a leader and turn this most tragic event into something positive.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:34 pm

why do people need to own arms?

its not like they live in a jungle where wild animals may attack them or anything.

you can call 911 and help will be there in no time...

what are they trying to protect and from who?

maybe the people of this town also support second ammendment...well it will change now if it was the case

by Idéfix Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:52 pm

Obama calls for "meaningful action" to prevent incidents like this...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/obama-connecticut-shooting_n_2303017.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:55 pm

panini press wrote:Obama calls for "meaningful action" to prevent incidents like this...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/obama-connecticut-shooting_n_2303017.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Good. If that 'meaningful action' translates into strict gun control laws, then he'll be one of the best presidents the country ever had. Let's see what he does.

Edit: I hope the 'meaningful action' doesn't translate into having metal detectors in all schools.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:57 pm

yeah! don't they kow anything abou nonviolence?

they can't see guns KILL first and protect later? why? why why? how?

maybe its not very obvious and i am missing sth....

by FluteHolder Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:13 pm

I was watching Abcnews and as per them even if you stop the gun sales tomorrow there are already 200 Million guns out there which are owned/being used. How to track/stop ppl from using them. And US population is 315 Million. That is a lot of guns for the no of ppl.
It is the strong $gun Lobby which is controlling this.

When they can track every citizen for canvassing to vote, they can very well do (track,confiscate weapons) after banning the guns. It is the $ which controls the decisions.

by nevada Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:26 pm

If Obama talks about gun control, he will be accused of politicizing a sensitive issue. And he is getting ripped for saying that this is not the time to talk about it. This is a no-win situation for him.

by Sandee2020 Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:27 pm

Kumarg wrote:sorry my mistake

The gunman, described as a 20-year-old man from Connecticut, was later found dead, a federal law enforcement official told NBC News. A second person was in custody for a possible connection to the shooting, NBC’s Pete Williams reported.

The gun man's brother is in custody, he too was involved in the shooting. Both bros must have hated their parents to cause them to act so mercilessly. Surely they must have known of their sons' mental condition. I turned off the TV, too sad to watch. Sad

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:32 pm

nevada wrote:If Obama talks about gun control, he will be accused of politicizing a sensitive issue. And he is getting ripped for saying that this is not the time to talk about it. This is a no-win situation for him.

He needs to stand up for what he believes is the right thing to do and take the country along. That's the mark of a good leader.

I don't think he'll be accused of politicizing a sensitive issue if he talks abt gun control now. One would be surprised if he doesn't.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:34 pm

Sandee2020 wrote:
Kumarg wrote:sorry my mistake

The gunman, described as a 20-year-old man from Connecticut, was later found dead, a federal law enforcement official told NBC News. A second person was in custody for a possible connection to the shooting, NBC’s Pete Williams reported.

The gun man's brother is in custody, he too was involved in the shooting. Both bros must have hated their parents to cause them to act so mercilessly. Surely they must have known of their sons' mental condition. I turned off the TV, too sad to watch.

I did the same too. Can't watch it! The news channels are having a field day. It's disgusting.

by Guest Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:00 pm

the three guns were all legal, licensed to the mother.

by truthbetold Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:54 pm

Stunning incident.
Demanding gun control is like touching a live wire for politicians. Democrats gave upnon that demand to slow down nra lobby. Now there is no political will to raise gun control issue.

People in usa can benpursuaded to change. Ex: several years ago gay marriage was considered a fringe issue. But discussions over last few decades changed enough americans to make it a main stream issue. In some polls majority of americans support legalizing gay marriage. If americans can change on sensitive issue like gay marriage, there is hope for gun control.

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