Andhra Pradesh: 'Hindi played a key role in the freedom struggle'

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:He spent several years in Bengal and so picked up rudimentary Bengali. He married a Bengali and his Bengali became better. The question is: His wife presumably never lived in AP and so she presumably does not know telugu. I think his wife is the one i should be judged against, and not him since i did not live in TN for an extended period of time nor did his wife presumably live in AP for an extended period of time.

Your presumptions are wrong. Also, stop making excuses! Get yourself a Tamil teacher and learn the language pronto.

Rashmun wrote:He spent several years in Bengal and so picked up rudimentary Bengali.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
Moreover, tamilians are learning Hindi in record numbers.

good for them and they are doing all this without any help from you. perhaps you should consider to kindly STFU. note i am saying this very politely without intruding on your first amendment privileges.

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

you are still not replying as to whether she speaks Telugu. Do you keep telling her the same thing?

his wife is not arguing with you. he is.

He spent several years in Bengal and so picked up rudimentary Bengali. He married a Bengali and his Bengali became better. The question is: His wife presumably never lived in AP and so she presumably does not know telugu. I think his wife is the one i should be judged against, and not him since i did not live in TN for an extended period of time nor did his wife presumably live in AP for an extended period of time.

As mentioned earlier, i was told by someone in Vellore that i would pick up rudimentary tamil if i stayed in TN continuously for at least three months.

When I stayed in Korea for three weeks, I was told by two people that I could would pick up good Korean if I stayed there continuously for three months.

I am going to consider myself fluent in Korean from now on. (Note that the support for my Korean-abilities is 100% more than your Tamil-abilities.)

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:He spent several years in Bengal and so picked up rudimentary Bengali.

Haha, I can read and write the Bangla script. That didn't occur by itself through osmosis; I spent time and effort on it because of my interest in learning another language.

You spent several years in Karnataka. Can you speak, read or write Kannada? Let us hear your excuses for why not.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

his wife is not arguing with you. he is.

He spent several years in Bengal and so picked up rudimentary Bengali. He married a Bengali and his Bengali became better. The question is: His wife presumably never lived in AP and so she presumably does not know telugu. I think his wife is the one i should be judged against, and not him since i did not live in TN for an extended period of time nor did his wife presumably live in AP for an extended period of time.

As mentioned earlier, i was told by someone in Vellore that i would pick up rudimentary tamil if i stayed in TN continuously for at least three months.

When I stayed in Korea for three weeks, I was told by two people that I could would pick up good Korean if I stayed there continuously for three months.

I am going to consider myself fluent in Korean from now on. (Note that the support for my Korean-abilities is 100% more than your Tamil-abilities.)

I have never seen any demonstration of either your Korean or Bengali abilities? Have you read any Bengali literature?
Also, how about saying something to me in Bengali? Let's see how much Bengali you know.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:He spent several years in Bengal and so picked up rudimentary Bengali.

Haha, I can read and write the Bangla script. That didn't occur by itself through osmosis; I spent time and effort on it because of my interest in learning another language.

You spent several years in Karnataka. Can you speak, read or write Kannada? Let us hear your excuses for why not.

I found my hindi was understood by everyone in Bangalore i interacted with (and this includes shopkeepers, fruit and vegetable sellers, barbers, auto walahs, etc.).

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it is my observation that telugus are somewhat more sympathetic to hindi than tamilians. rashmun's singular achievement is to turn the telugus on this board against his professed agenda. congratulations!

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

He spent several years in Bengal and so picked up rudimentary Bengali. He married a Bengali and his Bengali became better. The question is: His wife presumably never lived in AP and so she presumably does not know telugu. I think his wife is the one i should be judged against, and not him since i did not live in TN for an extended period of time nor did his wife presumably live in AP for an extended period of time.

As mentioned earlier, i was told by someone in Vellore that i would pick up rudimentary tamil if i stayed in TN continuously for at least three months.

When I stayed in Korea for three weeks, I was told by two people that I could would pick up good Korean if I stayed there continuously for three months.

I am going to consider myself fluent in Korean from now on. (Note that the support for my Korean-abilities is 100% more than your Tamil-abilities.)

I have never seen any demonstration of either your Korean or Bengali abilities? Have you read any Bengali literature?
Also, how about saying something to me in Bengali? Let's see how much Bengali you know.

The only person who has used Bangla on this forum is Huzefa Kapasi. You can ask him if I have shown any knowledge of the language. (VP also knew Bangla, but sadly he is not here). I don't believe you have the ability to judge my knowledge of Bangla.

As for my Korean abilities, I was assured by two Koreans that if I stayed in Korea for three months, I would pick up fluent Korean. That is the ultimate proof of my Korean abilities. QED.

panini press wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it is my observation that telugus are somewhat more sympathetic to hindi than tamilians. rashmun's singular achievement is to turn the telugus on this board against his professed agenda. congratulations!

Hahaha. All of Gandhiji's work undone.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:incuriosity + pigheadedness = rashmunism.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:incuriosity + pigheadedness = rashmunism.

I recall having watched the video of the Tanjore temple when you posted it on sulekha.com. It was one hour long and i commented on it. You had at that time commented something along the lines of the fact that i was intellectually curious. Subsequently i went personally to visit the Tanjore temple. I also went all around Kumbakonam and visited several temples in the area. I also visited several other temples all across TN including the ones at Srirangam and Chidambaram.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:incuriosity + pigheadedness = rashmunism.

I recall having watched the video of the Tanjore temple when you posted it on sulekha.com. It was one hour long and i commented on it. You had at that time commented something along the lines of the fact that i was intellectually curious. Subsequently i went personally to visit the Tanjore temple. I also went all around Kumbakonam and visited several temples in the area. I also visited several other temples all across TN including the ones at Srirangam and Chidambaram.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:incuriosity + pigheadedness = rashmunism.

I recall having watched the video of the Tanjore temple when you posted it on sulekha.com. It was one hour long and i commented on it. You had at that time commented something along the lines of the fact that i was intellectually curious. Subsequently i went personally to visit the Tanjore temple. I also went all around Kumbakonam and visited several temples in the area. I also visited several other temples all across TN including the ones at Srirangam and Chidambaram.

learn another language. it might open up your mind and change the way you think fundamentally. might be healthy for you. stop prescribing to others, what is actually an urgent need for you.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

As mentioned earlier, i was told by someone in Vellore that i would pick up rudimentary tamil if i stayed in TN continuously for at least three months.

When I stayed in Korea for three weeks, I was told by two people that I could would pick up good Korean if I stayed there continuously for three months.

I am going to consider myself fluent in Korean from now on. (Note that the support for my Korean-abilities is 100% more than your Tamil-abilities.)

I have never seen any demonstration of either your Korean or Bengali abilities? Have you read any Bengali literature?
Also, how about saying something to me in Bengali? Let's see how much Bengali you know.

The only person who has used Bangla on this forum is Huzefa Kapasi. You can ask him if I have shown any knowledge of the language. (VP also knew Bangla, but sadly he is not here). I don't believe you have the ability to judge my knowledge of Bangla.

As for my Korean abilities, I was assured by two Koreans that if I stayed in Korea for three months, I would pick up fluent Korean. That is the ultimate proof of my Korean abilities. QED.

Instead of making excuses, why not show everyone that you know some Bangla? Stop making excuses!

Rashmun wrote:With respect to tamil my intention is to only learn rudimentary tamil for the purpose of communication; i have no wish to be a tamil expert.

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:When I stayed in Korea for three weeks, I was told by two people that I could would pick up good Korean if I stayed there continuously for three months.

I am going to consider myself fluent in Korean from now on. (Note that the support for my Korean-abilities is 100% more than your Tamil-abilities.)

I have never seen any demonstration of either your Korean or Bengali abilities? Have you read any Bengali literature?
Also, how about saying something to me in Bengali? Let's see how much Bengali you know.

The only person who has used Bangla on this forum is Huzefa Kapasi. You can ask him if I have shown any knowledge of the language. (VP also knew Bangla, but sadly he is not here). I don't believe you have the ability to judge my knowledge of Bangla.

As for my Korean abilities, I was assured by two Koreans that if I stayed in Korea for three months, I would pick up fluent Korean. That is the ultimate proof of my Korean abilities. QED.

Instead of making excuses, why not show everyone that you know some Bangla? Stop making excuses!

Are you claiming that you are in a position to judge my knowledge of Bangla? আপনি কি বাংলা জানেন?

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:With respect to tamil my intention is to only learn rudimentary tamil for the purpose of communication; i have no wish to be a tamil expert.

You have been expressing your intention for years now. Do something about it. Stop making excuses, and get yourself a Tamil teacher.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

I have never seen any demonstration of either your Korean or Bengali abilities? Have you read any Bengali literature?
Also, how about saying something to me in Bengali? Let's see how much Bengali you know.

The only person who has used Bangla on this forum is Huzefa Kapasi. You can ask him if I have shown any knowledge of the language. (VP also knew Bangla, but sadly he is not here). I don't believe you have the ability to judge my knowledge of Bangla.

As for my Korean abilities, I was assured by two Koreans that if I stayed in Korea for three months, I would pick up fluent Korean. That is the ultimate proof of my Korean abilities. QED.

Instead of making excuses, why not show everyone that you know some Bangla? Stop making excuses!

Are you claiming that you are in a position to judge my knowledge of Bangla? আপনি কি বাংলা জানেন?

Please write your bengali in english script. I cannot read bengali script but i can probably pick up some of what you are saying if you write it in english letters.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:With respect to tamil my intention is to only learn rudimentary tamil for the purpose of communication; i have no wish to be a tamil expert.

You have been expressing your intention for years now. Do something about it. Stop making excuses, and get yourself a Tamil teacher.

There is no tamil teacher in the vicinity.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:With respect to tamil my intention is to only learn rudimentary tamil for the purpose of communication; i have no wish to be a tamil expert.

You have been expressing your intention for years now. Do something about it. Stop making excuses, and get yourself a Tamil teacher.

There is no tamil teacher in the vicinity.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
skype + malini = tamil teacher.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

I have never seen any demonstration of either your Korean or Bengali abilities? Have you read any Bengali literature?
Also, how about saying something to me in Bengali? Let's see how much Bengali you know.

The only person who has used Bangla on this forum is Huzefa Kapasi. You can ask him if I have shown any knowledge of the language. (VP also knew Bangla, but sadly he is not here). I don't believe you have the ability to judge my knowledge of Bangla.

As for my Korean abilities, I was assured by two Koreans that if I stayed in Korea for three months, I would pick up fluent Korean. That is the ultimate proof of my Korean abilities. QED.

Instead of making excuses, why not show everyone that you know some Bangla? Stop making excuses!

Are you claiming that you are in a position to judge my knowledge of Bangla? আপনি কি বাংলা জানেন?

Please write your bengali in english script. I cannot read bengali script but i can probably pick up some of what you are saying if you write it in english letters.

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:The only person who has used Bangla on this forum is Huzefa Kapasi. You can ask him if I have shown any knowledge of the language. (VP also knew Bangla, but sadly he is not here). I don't believe you have the ability to judge my knowledge of Bangla.

As for my Korean abilities, I was assured by two Koreans that if I stayed in Korea for three months, I would pick up fluent Korean. That is the ultimate proof of my Korean abilities. QED.

Instead of making excuses, why not show everyone that you know some Bangla? Stop making excuses!

Are you claiming that you are in a position to judge my knowledge of Bangla? আপনি কি বাংলা জানেন?

Please write your bengali in english script. I cannot read bengali script but i can probably pick up some of what you are saying if you write it in english letters.

And what would be the point of that? You don't know Bangla. That's that.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:With respect to tamil my intention is to only learn rudimentary tamil for the purpose of communication; i have no wish to be a tamil expert.

You have been expressing your intention for years now. Do something about it. Stop making excuses, and get yourself a Tamil teacher.

There is no tamil teacher in the vicinity.

skype + malini = tamil teacher.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Instead of making excuses, why not show everyone that you know some Bangla? Stop making excuses!

Are you claiming that you are in a position to judge my knowledge of Bangla? আপনি কি বাংলা জানেন?

Please write your bengali in english script. I cannot read bengali script but i can probably pick up some of what you are saying if you write it in english letters.

And what would be the point of that? You don't know Bangla. That's that.

Are you writing the bangla in english script? Or will you keep making excuses?

Rashmun wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:Are you claiming that you are in a position to judge my knowledge of Bangla? আপনি কি বাংলা জানেন?

Please write your bengali in english script. I cannot read bengali script but i can probably pick up some of what you are saying if you write it in english letters.

And what would be the point of that? You don't know Bangla. That's that.

Are you writing the bangla in english script? Or will you keep making excuses?

you probably got that bengali script using google . If you really knew bengali you would have given it in english script by now.

Rashmun wrote:
There are some tamils who think it is a waste of time for an NI to learn tamil.

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
There are some tamils who think it is a waste of time for an NI to learn tamil.

Who is Malini?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
There are some tamils who think it is a waste of time for an NI to learn tamil.

Who is Malini?

it's a name i assigned for the purposes of such posts to rashmun's future bride.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:With respect to tamil my intention is to only learn rudimentary tamil for the purpose of communication; i have no wish to be a tamil expert.

You have been expressing your intention for years now. Do something about it. Stop making excuses, and get yourself a Tamil teacher.

There is no tamil teacher in the vicinity.

skype + malini = tamil teacher.

There are some tamils who think it is a waste of time for an NI to learn tamil.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:You have been expressing your intention for years now. Do something about it. Stop making excuses, and get yourself a Tamil teacher.

There is no tamil teacher in the vicinity.

skype + malini = tamil teacher.

There are some tamils who think it is a waste of time for an NI to learn tamil.

are you saying your future bride is saying this? if so, ignore her and do what you have claimed you've always wanted to do. plunge yourself in this endeavor. that's what happened to me. i was ragged by a senior in college in a very singular manner. he said that he wanted me to spend every waking hour when i was not in class, eating or sleeping, or attending to a bodily function with him for two weeks. he said he'll only speak with me in hindi and that i could only converse with him in hindi. it actually worked. whether or not i enjoyed the experience, and his motivations notwithstanding, it taught me to speak a language i did not before. no amount of slogging at hindi prachar sabha exams can do that for you. this is a sincere piece of advice. learning a new language truly changes the way you think (in a positive way). there is quite a bit of evidence to support this claim. it makes neuronal connections that didn't exist before and it can be quite an enriching experience. forget about prescribing it for others, and launch yourself into this exercise. it doesn't have to be tamil. i only mentioned tamil because of your personal situation. just call malini or one of her relatives and announce that for a period of two weeks you'd like to talk for an hour or two and only in tamil. see what happens.

also drop this incessant clamor for a link language. bureaucratic pigheadedness can never produce any desirable outcomes in a democratic but utterly chaotic place like india. perhaps your approach is better suited to a place like china. in india the need to survive is almost always the driving force for learning new languages.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Rashmun's post on Panini's Bengali skills reminds me of something close to home. I have a relative who married a Sindhi girl. Her parents were not in favor of it for some time and his parents didn't take that long to adjust to his decision.

The girl is a dominating type and the fellow adjusted to reality. They have two kids. When her parents visit them, they only speak in Sindhi (and the daughter regularly taught the kids Sindhi and they could follow the grandparents). When his parents visited them, they couldn't communicate with the kids in Telugu and ended up talking in English. If they spoke in Telugu in front of the kids, the mother, apparently, wasn't pleased! When his parents told us about this, my wife and I decided to visit the young family. My wife deliberately spoke in Telugu in front of the kids and I spoke to the husband in Telugu in front of his wife (I know it is rude - hehe). She was polite for a while but became irritable. Once I detected her annoyance, I asked her whether her kids knew any Telugu. She shot back asking "what for"? I said, "for the same reason as them speaking in Sindhi. She ended the conversation by storming out of the room. She never invited us to her house and we weren't looking forward to it either. I met her in-laws subsequently. Now the FIL fumes whenever he thinks of Sindhis! He only says negative things about them - like, they sell their mothers for money, they were thrown out of Karachi because for them only money matters, etc.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:I do not know Bengali but i have read Bengali literature in Hindi (and also english) translation, in particular the stories and novels of Sharad Chandra Chattopadhyaya. Srikanta, Devdas, and Charitraheen are his novels which i enjoyed the most. In my opinion language is an important aspect of a culture but it is not the only aspect of a culture.

the only indian language you know is hindi. do you not see the irony of YOU preaching about learning another indian language to a group of indians, most of whom know at least one indian language more than you?

b_A wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:I do not know Bengali but i have read Bengali literature in Hindi (and also english) translation, in particular the stories and novels of Sharad Chandra Chattopadhyaya. Srikanta, Devdas, and Charitraheen are his novels which i enjoyed the most. In my opinion language is an important aspect of a culture but it is not the only aspect of a culture.

the only indian language you know is hindi. do you not see the irony of YOU preaching about learning another indian language to a group of indians, most of whom know at least one indian language more than you?

It can be even argued that hindi is not an indian language. Some people claim that it is just urdu written in devanagari (sanskrit) script.

panini press wrote:While the Rashmun Method does clearly indicate a Chinese origin for UP Khariboli, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Hindu is not an Indian language.

panini press wrote:While the Rashmun Method does clearly indicate a Chinese origin for UP Khariboli, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Hindi is not an Indian language.

b_A wrote:

panini press wrote:While the Rashmun Method does clearly indicate a Chinese origin for UP Khariboli, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Hindi is not an Indian language.

I just left enough disclaimers like , "some people say" , "it can be argued" ;-).

panini press wrote:Psst... I am trying to help you not b_A. I don't want people to think you do not know any Indian language. Even jerji disapproves of that sort of thing.

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:Psst... I am trying to help you not b_A. I don't want people to think you do not know any Indian language. Even jerji disapproves of that sort of thing.

Hellsangel and PP in a one to one conversation is very entertaining indeed.

panini press wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

panini press wrote:Psst... I am trying to help you not b_A. I don't want people to think you do not know any Indian language. Even jerji disapproves of that sort of thing.

Hellsangel and PP in a one to one conversation is very entertaining indeed.

Master Rashmun, I am talking to you. You sound like you are completely addled right now. Kuch lete kyon nahin?

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

There is no tamil teacher in the vicinity.

skype + malini = tamil teacher.

There are some tamils who think it is a waste of time for an NI to learn tamil.

are you saying your future bride is saying this? if so, ignore her and do what you have claimed you've always wanted to do. plunge yourself in this endeavor. that's what happened to me. i was ragged by a senior in college in a very singular manner. he said that he wanted me to spend every waking hour when i was not in class, eating or sleeping, or attending to a bodily function with him for two weeks. he said he'll only speak with me in hindi and that i could only converse with him in hindi. it actually worked. whether or not i enjoyed the experience, and his motivations notwithstanding, it taught me to speak a language i did not before. no amount of slogging at hindi prachar sabha exams can do that for you. this is a sincere piece of advice. learning a new language truly changes the way you think (in a positive way). there is quite a bit of evidence to support this claim. it makes neuronal connections that didn't exist before and it can be quite an enriching experience. forget about prescribing it for others, and launch yourself into this exercise. it doesn't have to be tamil. i only mentioned tamil because of your personal situation. just call malini or one of her relatives and announce that for a period of two weeks you'd like to talk for an hour or two and only in tamil. see what happens.

also drop this incessant clamor for a link language. bureaucratic pigheadedness can never produce any desirable outcomes in a democratic but utterly chaotic place like india. perhaps your approach is better suited to a place like china. in india the need to survive is almost always the driving force for learning new languages.

thanks for your advice. i'll see what i can do.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

skype + malini = tamil teacher.

There are some tamils who think it is a waste of time for an NI to learn tamil.

are you saying your future bride is saying this? if so, ignore her and do what you have claimed you've always wanted to do. plunge yourself in this endeavor. that's what happened to me. i was ragged by a senior in college in a very singular manner. he said that he wanted me to spend every waking hour when i was not in class, eating or sleeping, or attending to a bodily function with him for two weeks. he said he'll only speak with me in hindi and that i could only converse with him in hindi. it actually worked. whether or not i enjoyed the experience, and his motivations notwithstanding, it taught me to speak a language i did not before. no amount of slogging at hindi prachar sabha exams can do that for you. this is a sincere piece of advice. learning a new language truly changes the way you think (in a positive way). there is quite a bit of evidence to support this claim. it makes neuronal connections that didn't exist before and it can be quite an enriching experience. forget about prescribing it for others, and launch yourself into this exercise. it doesn't have to be tamil. i only mentioned tamil because of your personal situation. just call malini or one of her relatives and announce that for a period of two weeks you'd like to talk for an hour or two and only in tamil. see what happens.

also drop this incessant clamor for a link language. bureaucratic pigheadedness can never produce any desirable outcomes in a democratic but utterly chaotic place like india. perhaps your approach is better suited to a place like china. in india the need to survive is almost always the driving force for learning new languages.

thanks for your advice. i'll see what i can do.

Also, up the dosage.