Tribal Justice in Pakistan

Hellsangel wrote:http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/13/17295723-pakistani-soldier-stoned-to-death-over-romance-girlfriend-may-be-shot

Rishi wrote:Jessica-1170252 Comment collapsed by the community



"Muslim Religion of peace"

How ignorant most americans are of our own history...wasnt too long ago that "Peaceful Christians" behaved in a similar manner. Oh sure, maybe we havent stoned people to death since nearer to jesus' time, but it really wasnt that long ago that a woman and man couldnt decide to make their own decision about who'd they'd like to shack up with.

You see, women were always the property of their fathers, who earned a pretty penny when they gave their daugthers over in marriage.

Yes, thank goodness Christians evovled...but, rest assured...it's not because Christians chose to evolve, more like they were forced to...every evolution was forced.

I mean, today's christians still bitch about feminism and womens liberation, ya know, allowing women the right to pick an occupation and such minor things like that.

Sorry Christians, bashing Muslims - you have little chest to thump because in the historical timeline you're 15 min ahead of the muslims.

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trofimov wrote:

Rishi wrote:Jessica-1170252 Comment collapsed by the community



"Muslim Religion of peace"

How ignorant most americans are of our own history...wasnt too long ago that "Peaceful Christians" behaved in a similar manner. Oh sure, maybe we havent stoned people to death since nearer to jesus' time, but it really wasnt that long ago that a woman and man couldnt decide to make their own decision about who'd they'd like to shack up with.

You see, women were always the property of their fathers, who earned a pretty penny when they gave their daugthers over in marriage.

Yes, thank goodness Christians evovled...but, rest assured...it's not because Christians chose to evolve, more like they were forced to...every evolution was forced.

I mean, today's christians still bitch about feminism and womens liberation, ya know, allowing women the right to pick an occupation and such minor things like that.

Sorry Christians, bashing Muslims - you have little chest to thump because in the historical timeline you're 15 min ahead of the muslims.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/13/17295723-pakistani-soldier-stoned-to-death-over-romance-girlfriend-may-be-shot

She is right. But you know who has even less chest to thump? Hindus bashing Muslims when it comes to the treatment of women. Hindus who now bash Muslims for allowing men to marry multiple wives, and for giving daughters half of what sons get in inheritance, are typically religious, right-of-center Hindus. Guess what, in the early 1950s, when Nehru and Ambedkar were trying to reform Hindu personal law to make polygamy illegal and establish gender equality in inheritance matters, the same religious, right-of-center types were thoroughly outraged. Even that great sage that most southern Indian brahmins hold in high esteem -- the "paramacharya" of Kanchi -- wrote and spoke against reform. They wanted to keep sanatana dharma going, without interference from atheists like Nehru and Ambedkar. Much like the ulema do with Muslim law now.

Rishi wrote:


There is one difference though.

It was not difficult for Nehru to overcome the opposition of retrograde Hindus like Kanchi Sankracharya and pass a just law emancipating the Hindu women.

But is it possible to do such a thing for the Muslim women in India or the Islamic nations?

Rishi wrote:It was not difficult for Nehru to overcome the opposition of retrograde Hindus like Kanchi Sankracharya and pass a just law emancipating the Hindu women.

Rishi wrote:But is it possible to do such a thing for the Muslim women in India or the Islamic nations?

Rishi wrote:

trofimov wrote: It was difficult. The first attempt started in 1941 failed after 2-3 years. Nehru and Ambedkar picked up the pieces after independence and got a draft going in 1948 and presented it to the Constituent Assembly. That attempt also failed. The failure soured the Nehru-Ambedkar relationship. After that, Nehru had to change strategy, break up the reform into four separate bills and pass them piecemeal. He eventually succeeded in 1955-'56.

Can you please give me a link about the difficulties Nehru faced in getting the Hindu reform laws passed?

trofimov wrote:

Rishi wrote:

trofimov wrote: It was difficult. The first attempt started in 1941 failed after 2-3 years. Nehru and Ambedkar picked up the pieces after independence and got a draft going in 1948 and presented it to the Constituent Assembly. That attempt also failed. The failure soured the Nehru-Ambedkar relationship. After that, Nehru had to change strategy, break up the reform into four separate bills and pass them piecemeal. He eventually succeeded in 1955-'56.

Can you please give me a link about the difficulties Nehru faced in getting the Hindu reform laws passed?

I will post relevant extracts from the book India after Gandhi by Ramachandra Guha a little later when I have time. That book contains a detailed account of the efforts to pass the Hindu Code and the determined attempts of the BJP-of-the-day (Jana Sangh if I remember right) and assorted sadhu-sant types against reform. Even some right-of-center members of Congress opposed reform, including party president PD Tandon.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

trofimov wrote:

Rishi wrote:

trofimov wrote: It was difficult. The first attempt started in 1941 failed after 2-3 years. Nehru and Ambedkar picked up the pieces after independence and got a draft going in 1948 and presented it to the Constituent Assembly. That attempt also failed. The failure soured the Nehru-Ambedkar relationship. After that, Nehru had to change strategy, break up the reform into four separate bills and pass them piecemeal. He eventually succeeded in 1955-'56.

Can you please give me a link about the difficulties Nehru faced in getting the Hindu reform laws passed?

I will post relevant extracts from the book India after Gandhi by Ramachandra Guha a little later when I have time. That book contains a detailed account of the efforts to pass the Hindu Code and the determined attempts of the BJP-of-the-day (Jana Sangh if I remember right) and assorted sadhu-sant types against reform. Even some right-of-center members of Congress opposed reform, including party president PD Tandon.

So....... are you supporting UCC?

trofimov wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

trofimov wrote:

Rishi wrote:

trofimov wrote: It was difficult. The first attempt started in 1941 failed after 2-3 years. Nehru and Ambedkar picked up the pieces after independence and got a draft going in 1948 and presented it to the Constituent Assembly. That attempt also failed. The failure soured the Nehru-Ambedkar relationship. After that, Nehru had to change strategy, break up the reform into four separate bills and pass them piecemeal. He eventually succeeded in 1955-'56.

Can you please give me a link about the difficulties Nehru faced in getting the Hindu reform laws passed?

I will post relevant extracts from the book India after Gandhi by Ramachandra Guha a little later when I have time. That book contains a detailed account of the efforts to pass the Hindu Code and the determined attempts of the BJP-of-the-day (Jana Sangh if I remember right) and assorted sadhu-sant types against reform. Even some right-of-center members of Congress opposed reform, including party president PD Tandon.

So....... are you supporting UCC?

I have always supported UCC.

Rishi wrote:

trofimov wrote: It was difficult. The first attempt started in 1941 failed after 2-3 years. Nehru and Ambedkar picked up the pieces after independence and got a draft going in 1948 and presented it to the Constituent Assembly. That attempt also failed. The failure soured the Nehru-Ambedkar relationship. After that, Nehru had to change strategy, break up the reform into four separate bills and pass them piecemeal. He eventually succeeded in 1955-'56.

Can you please give me a link about the difficulties Nehru faced in getting the Hindu reform laws passed?