TN middle class culture

by Rishi Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:36 pm

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/chennais-waste-output-crosses-5000tonne-mark/article4801314.ece?ref=sliderNews

Look at the picture.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:45 pm

when i was home for the holidays during my undergrad studies (and during my visit home early in my grad student days), i used to run from my parents' flat in adyar to the besant nagar beach every single day. portions of it are still ok, but near the beach itself, it is disgusting.

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:47 pm

Why do you caption it as if only the middle class contributes to garbage? The article raves about the great job in collecting garbage in Chennai while the picture negates the very same message!

by Rishi Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:49 pm

A thought experiment.

1. Assume that stretch of the street shown in the picture is populated by desis, specifically Tamils because it is in Chennai. And they have Ph.Ds from various European/American/Australian universities. How will the street look like? Will there be a pile of garbage as shown?

2. Now replace all the desis on that street with white guys who dropped out of high school. How will the street look like? What will happen to the garbage? Will the street be kept clean always?

by garam_kuta Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:16 pm

Rishi wrote:A thought experiment.

1. Assume that stretch of the street shown in the picture is populated by desis, specifically Tamils because it is in Chennai. And they have Ph.Ds from various European/American/Australian universities. How will the street look like? Will there be a pile of garbage as shown?

2. Now replace all the desis on that street with white guys who dropped out of high school. How will the street look like? What will happen to the garbage? Will the street be kept clean always?

again, saar, it's all the weather's influence and how it shaped our culture. just like the toilet paper usage and water wash - it must have been bloody cold to clean up when getting hot/warm water required efforts and expensive at least a century ago in europe. cold, raining most of the year shaped those european and other countries culture which had distinct seasons, while definitely chennai, didn't. but then i certainly am not condoning the depraved negligence of civic duty of the middle class desis, particularly those that had spent significant amount of time here or in European countries.

by Rishi Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:29 pm

garam_kuta wrote:
Rishi wrote:A thought experiment.

1. Assume that stretch of the street shown in the picture is populated by desis, specifically Tamils because it is in Chennai. And they have Ph.Ds from various European/American/Australian universities. How will the street look like? Will there be a pile of garbage as shown?

2. Now replace all the desis on that street with white guys who dropped out of high school. How will the street look like? What will happen to the garbage? Will the street be kept clean always?

again, saar, it's all the weather's influence and how it shaped our culture. just like the toilet paper usage and water wash - it must have been bloody cold to clean up when getting hot/warm water required efforts and expensive at least a century ago in europe. cold, raining most of the year shaped those european and other countries culture which had distinct seasons, while definitely chennai, didn't. but then i certainly am not condoning the depraved negligence of civic duty of the middle class desis, particularly those that had spent significant amount of time here or in European countries.

GK,

You always have proper perspective on many things.

I heard Malaysia and Singapore with a similar weather conditions are quite clean. It seems in Singapore, the least clean place is where the Indians live in large numbers.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:38 pm

Rishi wrote:

GK,

You always have proper perspective on many things.

I heard Malaysia and Singapore with a similar weather conditions are quite clean. It seems in Singapore, the least clean place is where the Indians live in large numbers.

I will let HA respond to this comment.... bounce

by Nila Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:56 pm

Singapore is clean because of Tamils working there - just like Mexicans keep America clean. It is high time India privatize waste management. Hire salaried workers and pay 15000 pm and India will be super clean. We have man power, talent, money, brains...yet...?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:28 pm

Nila wrote:Singapore is clean because of Tamils working there - just like Mexicans keep America clean. It is high time India privatize waste management. Hire salaried workers and pay 15000 pm and India will be super clean. We have man power, talent, money, brains...yet...?

We dont have the woman power... Razz

15000 pm salary.. and who do you think will be paying for the garbage ? When you can simply throw it from the 8th floor paalgony? Will the cops come and find out the garbage culprit and drag him (or her) to the court?

by Nila Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:36 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Nila wrote:Singapore is clean because of Tamils working there - just like Mexicans keep America clean. It is high time India privatize waste management. Hire salaried workers and pay 15000 pm and India will be super clean. We have man power, talent, money, brains...yet...?

We dont have the woman power...

15000 pm salary.. and who do you think will be paying for the garbage ? When you can simply throw it from the 8th floor paalgony? Will the cops come and find out the garbage culprit and drag him (or her) to the court?

Like those egoistic insecure men ever let women to rule...anyways,

Don't you think they deserve that kinda of reasonable salary. You cannot keep kanakku for keeping the surroundings clean. Learn from America - look at their credit/debit ratio. Razz

We pay taxes and we will have to spend it on basics.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:07 pm

Nila wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Nila wrote:Singapore is clean because of Tamils working there - just like Mexicans keep America clean. It is high time India privatize waste management. Hire salaried workers and pay 15000 pm and India will be super clean. We have man power, talent, money, brains...yet...?

We dont have the woman power...

15000 pm salary.. and who do you think will be paying for the garbage ? When you can simply throw it from the 8th floor paalgony? Will the cops come and find out the garbage culprit and drag him (or her) to the court?

Like those egoistic insecure men ever let women to rule...anyways,

Don't you think they deserve that kinda of reasonable salary. You cannot keep kanakku for keeping the surroundings clean. Learn from America - look at their credit/debit ratio. We pay taxes and we will have to spend it on basics.

If you dont pay up here, they will cut the utilities and your credit will go down. India is nowhere near that. poor assume they have a right to steal water, power, or anything else... there is no fear of punishment. Privatization has to go hand in hand. There are so many security guys are dept stores in INdia. The fear of getting caught is clearly shown. we used to say that ppl would run away with things if western style dept stored opened in India. so there is away...but utilities are more difficult to priviatize in India.

by Rishi Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:12 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Nila wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Nila wrote:Singapore is clean because of Tamils working there - just like Mexicans keep America clean. It is high time India privatize waste management. Hire salaried workers and pay 15000 pm and India will be super clean. We have man power, talent, money, brains...yet...?

We dont have the woman power...

15000 pm salary.. and who do you think will be paying for the garbage ? When you can simply throw it from the 8th floor paalgony? Will the cops come and find out the garbage culprit and drag him (or her) to the court?

Like those egoistic insecure men ever let women to rule...anyways,

Don't you think they deserve that kinda of reasonable salary. You cannot keep kanakku for keeping the surroundings clean. Learn from America - look at their credit/debit ratio. We pay taxes and we will have to spend it on basics.

If you dont pay up here, they will cut the utilities and your credit will go down. India is nowhere near that. poor assume they have a right to steal water, power, or anything else... there is no fear of punishment. Privatization has to go hand in hand. There are so many security guys are dept stores in INdia. The fear of getting caught is clearly shown. we used to say that ppl would run away with things if western style dept stored opened in India. so there is away...but utilities are more difficult to priviatize in India.

Saamiyaar,

The private utilities can employ Goondas to beat up people who steal water or electricity.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:18 pm

Rishi wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Nila wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Nila wrote:Singapore is clean because of Tamils working there - just like Mexicans keep America clean. It is high time India privatize waste management. Hire salaried workers and pay 15000 pm and India will be super clean. We have man power, talent, money, brains...yet...?

We dont have the woman power...

15000 pm salary.. and who do you think will be paying for the garbage ? When you can simply throw it from the 8th floor paalgony? Will the cops come and find out the garbage culprit and drag him (or her) to the court?
Like those egoistic insecure men ever let women to rule...anyways,

Don't you think they deserve that kinda of reasonable salary. You cannot keep kanakku for keeping the surroundings clean. Learn from America - look at their credit/debit ratio. We pay taxes and we will have to spend it on basics.

If you dont pay up here, they will cut the utilities and your credit will go down. India is nowhere near that. poor assume they have a right to steal water, power, or anything else... there is no fear of punishment. Privatization has to go hand in hand. There are so many security guys are dept stores in INdia. The fear of getting caught is clearly shown. we used to say that ppl would run away with things if western style dept stored opened in India. so there is away...but utilities are more difficult to priviatize in India.

Saamiyaar,

The private utilities can employ Goondas to beat up people who steal water or electricity.

Yes... but not that easy... owners can protect dept stores with Goondas bcz it is a specific boundary and ppl go into the restricted places, but utilities supply the people at their locations. u r talking about millions of miles of transmission lines, and water lines. This is more difficult than protecting railway lines from terrorists. That is why Private companies want to "produce power" not distribution bcz they wont be able to control the access.

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