College campus visits

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:22 am

Never did them right - and was never convinced this gives any great insight. I got a call yesterday asking me for a 'checklist' of what to look for, when going on campus visits during a HS sophomore summer. I was not happy with my own answer. Do any of you have things you look for during these visits?

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:26 am

The only thing that is important is to have your child's name recorded in their system that she has visited their college. It's better if it's more than once.That shows her intent and interest to join their college and i believe it does a play a role in the admission process when she applies for that college.

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:34 am

What do i look for?

1. whether it's in an urban, semi urban or an isolated setting. What are the opportunities for the students to have access to internships and co-ops.

2. the feel of the college, the first instincts the child has when she's in the campus. Does the child feel comfortable in the college setting? Does it feel homely?

3. Diversity

4. how big the college is. Whether the child feels comfy in a huge college setting with thousands and thousands of students or feels stifled in it.

5. honors and research opportunities, if applicable

Edit:

6. cost, of course. scholarships offered

7. how huge the classes are going to be. what is the student-teacher ratio

8. the # of majors offered. If the child decides to change majors, will she have varied/enough choices to choose from?

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:38 am

thanks!

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:39 am

nenu wrote:What do i look for?

1. whether it's in an urban, semi urban or an isolated setting. What are the opportunities for the students to have access to internships and co-ops.

2. the feel of the college, the first instincts the child has when she's in the campus. Does the child feel comfortable in the college setting? Does it feel homely?

3. Diversity

4. how big the college is. Whether the child feels comfy in a huge college setting with thousands and thousands of students or feels stifled in it.

5. honors and research opportunities, if applicable

6. cost, of course

All of the above can be found online. Like ACGT said much of this college visit stuff is just hoopla and fed in my school counselors to the kids and made to look very important...in their lives.... There is a kid in town who went with parents on 3 different vacations to east, South and North and saw 15 top schools. Now she is going to U Mich - which she never visited.... Razz

ACGT: Dont waste your money and visit the college if you can take a local train or bus.

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:47 am

also.....the transportation within the campus, food, housing, the easy/convenience of traveling to home

-labs and research opportunities, if applicable.

-if the child is in pre-med or any of those pre* programs, what is the support and guidance she's going to get?

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:08 pm

What about funding that the college or the professors are managing for their research, etc. That's what I remember hearing a lot when I was jn school here. 'this guy got this much funding, he is hiring assistants, let's swarm his/her office.' Just kidding. We didn't swarm their offices. Some kids would just get hired by the departments with more money.

So am thinking how much role does this money play in running the college.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:21 pm

Vidya Bagchi wrote:What about funding that the college or the professors are managing for their research, etc. That's what I remember hearing a lot when I was jn school here. 'this guy got this much funding, he is hiring assistants, let's swarm his/her office.' Just kidding. We didn't swarm their offices. Some kids would just get hired by the departments with more money.

So am thinking how much role does this money play in running the college.

Probably more applicable to grad school?!

I think well-funded labs and professors matter for future career/grad school prospects...and in any case, not something you could decipher in a campus visit. Not sure if there is a subscription-database for looking up grants/funding etc. by departments. For undergrads, there are probably opportunities:

a. to assist professors in their paid-consulting research being done at labs
b. to get funded for trips around the country to participate in symposiums, competitions etc.
c. to get summer opportunities for a. type work and get paid
d. to establish links with industry (that prof's are working with) for landing internships and eventual jobs

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:27 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:
Vidya Bagchi wrote:What about funding that the college or the professors are managing for their research, etc. That's what I remember hearing a lot when I was jn school here. 'this guy got this much funding, he is hiring assistants, let's swarm his/her office.' Just kidding. We didn't swarm their offices. Some kids would just get hired by the departments with more money.

So am thinking how much role does this money play in running the college.

Probably more applicable to grad school?!

I think well-funded labs and professors matter for future career/grad school prospects...and in any case, not something you could decipher in a campus visit. Not sure if there is a subscription-database for looking up grants/funding etc. by departments. For undergrads, there are probably opportunities:

a. to assist professors in their paid-consulting research being done at labs
b. to get funded for trips around the country to participate in symposiums, competitions etc.
c. to get summer opportunities for a. type work and get paid
d. to establish links with industry (that prof's are working with) for landing internships and eventual jobs

-study abroad programs too. the colleges are going to tomtom abt that a lot during the college visits, if they have such programs.

by Jebediah Mburuburu Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:07 pm

visit the university during the fall or winter semester, not in summer.

attend a few lectures in subjects that are of interest to the student. arrange meetings with professors in departments of interest. meet and talk to random undergrads, not the ones the university has arranged to meet you or the student.

visit the library and find out if it is open nearly twenty-four hours each day, every day of the week. the number of volumes in the library's holdings is also important, but that can be found without visiting the university.

one should visit at least two universities, so that there's some basis for comparison. the parent might want to visit the collegeconfidential.com website.

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:15 pm

Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:visit the university during the fall or winter semester, not in summer.

attend a few lectures in subjects that are of interest to the student. arrange meetings with professors in departments of interest. meet and talk to random undergrads, not the ones the university has arranged to meet you or the student.

visit the library and find out if it is open nearly twenty-four hours each day, every day of the week. the number of volumes in the library's holdings is also important, but that can be found without visiting the university.

one should visit at least two universities, so that there's some basis for comparison. the parent might want to visit the collegeconfidential.com website.

Is your advice for the parent or the student? As a parent did you attend a few lectures and also meet with professors? And why is a 24-hours-open library important? Just curious.

by Jebediah Mburuburu Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:28 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:visit the university during the fall or winter semester, not in summer.

attend a few lectures in subjects that are of interest to the student. arrange meetings with professors in departments of interest. meet and talk to random undergrads, not the ones the university has arranged to meet you or the student.

visit the library and find out if it is open nearly twenty-four hours each day, every day of the week. the number of volumes in the library's holdings is also important, but that can be found without visiting the university.

one should visit at least two universities, so that there's some basis for comparison. the parent might want to visit the collegeconfidential.com website.

Is your advice for the parent or the student? As a parent did you attend a few lectures and also meet with professors? And why is a 24-hours-open library important? Just curious.

those were suggestions for parents and students.

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:35 pm

Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:visit the university during the fall or winter semester, not in summer.

attend a few lectures in subjects that are of interest to the student.

Is your advice for the parent or the student? As a parent did you attend a few lectures and also meet with professors? And why is a 24-hours-open library important? Just curious.
those were suggestions for parents and students.

Are random ppl allowed to attend the lectures?

by Jebediah Mburuburu Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:51 pm

ask the admissions committee what the salaries are of:

a professor each in the physics, economics, and history departments; and the athletics director, and the head coaches of the football and basketball teams. compare the salaries.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:55 pm

Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:ask the admissions committee what the salaries are of:

a professor each in the physics, economics, and history departments; and the athletics director, and the head coaches of the football and basketball teams. compare the salaries.

Hahaha... yeah rite...

A sure shot way to kill the applicant's chances... Razz

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:01 pm

Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:ask the admissions committee what the salaries are of:

a professor each in the physics, economics, and history departments; and the athletics director, and the head coaches of the football and basketball teams. compare the salaries.

also ask the admissions committee for a list of indian professors/asst profs/instructors, etc. Research if they have a trail of north india/south india biases, both on and offline.

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:05 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:visit the university during the fall or winter semester, not in summer.

attend a few lectures in subjects that are of interest to the student. arrange meetings with professors in departments of interest. meet and talk to random undergrads, not the ones the university has arranged to meet you or the student.

visit the library and find out if it is open nearly twenty-four hours each day, every day of the week. the number of volumes in the library's holdings is also important, but that can be found without visiting the university.

one should visit at least two universities, so that there's some basis for comparison. the parent might want to visit the collegeconfidential.com website.

Is your advice for the parent or the student? As a parent did you attend a few lectures and also meet with professors? And why is a 24-hours-open library important? Just curious.

So that Achachan can browse SuCH at wee hours.

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:17 pm

nenu wrote:
Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:ask the admissions committee what the salaries are of:

a professor each in the physics, economics, and history departments; and the athletics director, and the head coaches of the football and basketball teams. compare the salaries.

also ask the admissions committee for a list of indian professors/asst profs/instructors, etc. Research if they have a trail of north india/south india biases, both on and offline.

This is truly hilarious!

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:21 pm

JM, good points.

by Impedimenta Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:26 pm

Jebediah Mburuburu wrote:visit the university during the fall or winter semester, not in summer.

attend a few lectures in subjects that are of interest to the student. arrange meetings with professors in departments of interest. meet and talk to random undergrads, not the ones the university has arranged to meet you or the student.

visit the library and find out if it is open nearly twenty-four hours each day, every day of the week. the number of volumes in the library's holdings is also important, but that can be found without visiting the university.

one should visit at least two universities, so that there's some basis for comparison. the parent might want to visit the collegeconfidential.com website.

good advice. Sirji, neenga nallavara illa kettavara? :-) just curious...

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:56 pm

There is a fine line between good parenting and micro-parenting. Most kids, at least at college level, call you on it when you step over the line. The good parents laugh about it while the micros get defensive.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:19 pm

Exchange 1:

Text: We are right outside your dorm, can you come with us to grab a starbucks?
Reply: WTF?!! That is so not cool at so many levels....
Text: LOL...we are in California. Just wanted to give you a fright.

Exchange 2:

Text: Payal aunty saw you and a girl holding hands and crossing the road yesterday evening ...who was it?
Reply: Wha?!!

Which is which?
>>fine line between good parenting and micro-parenting

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:37 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:Exchange 1:

Text: We are right outside your dorm, can you come with us to grab a starbucks?
Reply: WTF?!! That is so not cool at so many levels....
Text: LOL...we are in California. Just wanted to give you a fright.

Exchange 2:

Text: Payal aunty saw you and a girl holding hands and crossing the road yesterday evening ...who was it?
Reply: Wha?!!

Which is which?
>>fine line between good parenting and micro-parenting

Not knowing any background about the kids involved, it is premature to comment on it. If you raised your kids with good values and trust them, the chances are they don't need you to spoonfeed them with nuggets of advice every step of the way. Kids always come to you when they need to bounce ideas, especially on important decisions. Micro-parenting is when you start living vicariously through them and want them to live your life, not theirs.

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:42 pm

goodcitizn wrote:

Not knowing any background about the kids involved, it is premature to comment on it. If you raised your kids with good values and trust them, the chances are they don't need you to spoonfeed them with nuggets of advice every step of the way. Kids always come to you when they need to bounce ideas, especially on important decisions. Micro-parenting is when you start living vicariously through them and want them to live your life, not theirs.

True dat! A lot of parents seem to do that.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:45 pm

I think the best movie scene of all times happens to be the one in which Velu Naicker is persuaded by his son, Nizhalgal Ravi to independently carry out a 'hit'. He knows the theory and demonstrates his knowledge of all the nuances while Velu Naicker even as he begins his questions, finds himself adequately responded-to by his son. His instincts tell him otherwise but since he is not able to muster logical reasoning lets his son go, and pays a heavy price.

Tangential, but a variant on a theme.

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:50 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:Exchange 1:

Text: We are right outside your dorm, can you come with us to grab a starbucks?
Reply: WTF?!! That is so not cool at so many levels....
Text: LOL...we are in California. Just wanted to give you a fright.

Exchange 2:

Text: Payal aunty saw you and a girl holding hands and crossing the road yesterday evening ...who was it?
Reply: Wha?!!

Which is which?
>>fine line between good parenting and micro-parenting

Not knowing any background about the kids involved, it is premature to comment on it. If you raised your kids with good values and trust them, the chances are they don't need you to spoonfeed them with nuggets of advice every step of the way. Kids always come to you when they need to bounce ideas, especially on important decisions. Micro-parenting is when you start living vicariously through them and want them to live your life, not theirs.

Spot on, gc. Very well said.

From dna's exchange with his kid, i think it's good parenting, not micro.

Abt my other post above: on a serious note, I definitely don't want my kids to get their education from the teachers who harbor petty biases. I want them to be educated by the ones who are mature, fair and open.

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:56 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:I think the best movie scene of all times happens to be the one in which Velu Naicker is persuaded by his son, Nizhalgal Ravi to independently carry out a 'hit'. He knows the theory and demonstrates his knowledge of all the nuances while Velu Naicker even as he begins his questions, finds himself adequately responded-to by his son. His instincts tell him otherwise but since he is not able to muster logical reasoning lets his son go, and pays a heavy price.

Tangential, but a variant on a theme.

Another scene is where, as a little boy, he parades in front of his friends with his little sister acting the part of Delhi Ganesh where he impersonates his father, Velu Naicker, only to be discovered by him and admonished. This scene is illustrative of how badly the son wants to emulate his father and ultimately pays the same price his father pays later. This is neither good nor micro-parenting, simply bad parenting.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:02 pm

nenu wrote:
From dna's exchange with his kid,

Only Exchange 1 !!!! Smile

and that was kinda paraphrased...we operate at peer-level from a fairly young age. Very few rules - there is a kernel, of course but the rest is all made-up as we go. OS extensions are permitted ...

I have heard the bromide: Don't be friends..be a Parent!
but that just hasn't worked for us.

by garam_kuta Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:03 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:I think the best movie scene of all times happens to be the one in which Velu Naicker is persuaded by his son, Nizhalgal Ravi to independently carry out a 'hit'. He knows the theory and demonstrates his knowledge of all the nuances while Velu Naicker even as he begins his questions, finds himself adequately responded-to by his son. His instincts tell him otherwise but since he is not able to muster logical reasoning lets his son go, and pays a heavy price.

Tangential, but a variant on a theme.

well put..but then most of these assessments are post facto - c'est la vie ! - vicissitudes of life, i should think.

the naickar the situation was kind of inverse/reversal or whatever of GITA situation, nevertheless Krishna spoke and spoke assertively!

On micro-parenting : I am not sure whether there have been more conversations in bars where people say 'ya know..i wish my parents had not cut me so loose..' than shrinks in upper east hearing yuppies whining ' my parents were soooo f'in strict breathing over my neck all the time... '

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:07 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:I think the best movie scene of all times happens to be the one in which Velu Naicker is persuaded by his son, Nizhalgal Ravi to independently carry out a 'hit'. He knows the theory and demonstrates his knowledge of all the nuances while Velu Naicker even as he begins his questions, finds himself adequately responded-to by his son. His instincts tell him otherwise but since he is not able to muster logical reasoning lets his son go, and pays a heavy price.

Tangential, but a variant on a theme.

Another scene is where, as a little boy, he parades in front of his friends with his little sister acting the part of Delhi Ganesh where he impersonates his father, Velu Naicker, only to be discovered by him and admonished. This scene is illustrative of how badly the son wants to emulate his father and ultimately pays the same price his father pays later. This is neither good nor micro-parenting, simply bad parenting.

That is reading the whole thing too literally! Son wanting to emulate a father is normal development. I think you are conflating the actual occupation with child's aspirations - in real life, consequences are not that bad. And a son usually exceeds the father's accomplishments, which was his original goal anyways.

Imho, Velu Naicker was a good father, given the constraints of his occupation and associated hazards.

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:11 pm

The right phrase here would be 'sins of the father'.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:13 pm

Hellsangel wrote:The right phrase here would be 'sins of the father'.

I don't do Judeo-Christian constructs!

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:16 pm

nenu wrote:
Abt my other post above: on a serious note, I definitely don't want my kids to get their education from the teachers who harbor petty biases. I want them to be educated by the ones who are mature, fair and open.

I agree. However, petty biases are not confined to Indians; they are across the board. Good teachers make for good students. And poor teachers are a huge turn off to good students who migrate elsewhere or to another subject. However, the barometer of a good teacher is how well his/her students do on the subject taught. My passion for Tamil literature was because of Avvai Natarajan who was my teacher (who later became a Vice Chancellor) and none of his students wanted to miss even a single class. His eloquence and depth of language were truly contageous.

by Guest Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:17 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:
nenu wrote:
From dna's exchange with his kid,

Only Exchange 1 !!!! and that was kinda paraphrased...we operate at peer-level from a fairly young age. Very few rules - there is a kernel, of course but the rest is all made-up as we go. OS extensions are permitted ...

I have heard the bromide: Don't be friends..be a Parent!
but that just hasn't worked for us.

That's pretty cool, actually. Love it! Smile

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:17 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:The right phrase here would be 'sins of the father'.

I don't do Judeo-Christian constructs!

Really?

by goodcitizn Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:40 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:I think the best movie scene of all times happens to be the one in which Velu Naicker is persuaded by his son, Nizhalgal Ravi to independently carry out a 'hit'. He knows the theory and demonstrates his knowledge of all the nuances while Velu Naicker even as he begins his questions, finds himself adequately responded-to by his son. His instincts tell him otherwise but since he is not able to muster logical reasoning lets his son go, and pays a heavy price.

Tangential, but a variant on a theme.

Another scene is where, as a little boy, he parades in front of his friends with his little sister acting the part of Delhi Ganesh where he impersonates his father, Velu Naicker, only to be discovered by him and admonished. This scene is illustrative of how badly the son wants to emulate his father and ultimately pays the same price his father pays later. This is neither good nor micro-parenting, simply bad parenting.

That is reading the whole thing too literally! Son wanting to emulate a father is normal development. I think you are conflating the actual occupation with child's aspirations - in real life, consequences are not that bad. And a son usually exceeds the father's accomplishments, which was his original goal anyways.

Imho, Velu Naicker was a good father, given the constraints of his occupation and associated hazards.

Sure he wanted to be a good father. His daughter didn't think he was. I am not conflating, just debating since you brought up Velu Naicker. Almost all parents want their kids to excel in the field of their choice; some do end up choosing the same field as their parents. I know three generations of doctors in my own family. But it is advisable to let the kids decide on their field of interest after high school and then steer them to the right environment to get the best education affordable.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:16 pm

I think you bring up an interesting point - the choice of occupation/line of business that a son chooses need not be the same as the father's. This is true. However, if the father is a 'leader' or a consummate artisan of his chosen line, then there is a huge 'strange attractor' factor working on the son's psyche. The more recognition his father accumulates, the more this attraction factor's strength. As the son plots (secretly and passionately...please to read psych texts on this psychodrama) to usurp the position, it is but natural for him to gain the same facility with the line of chosen business that his father excelled in. These are the variables you need to consider to evaluate a son's choice.

This has implications for evaluating the 'caste' or 'varnas' system, mentoring relationships in the modern context, and breeding first-generation 'doctors'.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:25 pm

garam_kuta wrote:
On micro-parenting : I am not sure whether there have been more conversations in bars where people say 'ya know..i wish my parents had not cut me so loose..' than shrinks in upper east hearing yuppies whining ' my parents were soooo f'in strict breathing over my neck all the time... '

A bar sounds like a better place than a shrink's couch.

by Hellsangel Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:20 pm

Sometimes the sons follow the fathers into sin. Sometimes the sons have to extricate the fathers from sin.

by Petrichor Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:34 pm

Goes well with the Christian greeting of everyone as "Paavigale"! LoL

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:49 pm

for sure barchu and hellsu have been overdosing on gangsta movies with a dollop of senti.

by Hellsangel Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:36 am

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:Goes well with the Christian greeting of everyone as "Paavigale"! LoL

Christian? That is a very Hindu concept of atonement. Ask anyone who goes to Tirupati or Sabarimalai.
And sometimes the son has to atone for the father's sins.

by Hellsangel Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:39 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:for sure barchu and hellsu have been overdosing on gangsta movies with a dollop of senti.

Gangsta movies? This is the real life story of a sorry Dad on Sulekha.

by Petrichor Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:30 am

Hellsangel wrote:
Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:Goes well with the Christian greeting of everyone as "Paavigale"! LoL

Christian? That is a very Hindu concept of atonement. Ask anyone who goes to Tirupati or Sabarimalai.
And sometimes the son has to atone for the father's sins.

There is a wee bit of difference betweeen "aham brahmasmi" and "pAvigale!", don't ya think?!

by Maria S Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:50 am

When I come over here..it's like a parallel universe.. I learn something new, and of course it's all "true" and said with such.."authority"..about Tamil Christians and Christian Theology..not to mention all the "cute names" you have for "them/us" people and use it so generously! Oh..so clever and and funny too!

"Pavigale"..is more like "Ada pavigale" in this forum... or just in wonder say- "Ada Ada Ada ennaa periya medhavigal..just too many brilliance here" !

by Petrichor Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:00 am

This whole concept of 'original sin' is a fascinating subject. I am trying to find a Hindu parallel from the concept of the theory of karma - whether karma is agnostic or has 'judgemental' overtones. We have heard of the "washing away of bad karma's effects" by dipping oneself into that cesspool flowing near Varanasi but I am not sure if HA is right about atonement of sins, quite the way it is received amongst the Christians.

by Hellsangel Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:00 am

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:This whole concept of 'original sin' is a fascinating subject. I am trying to find a Hindu parallel from the concept of the theory of karma - whether karma is agnostic or has 'judgemental' overtones. We have heard of the "washing away of bad karma's effects" by dipping oneself into that cesspool flowing near Varanasi but I am not sure if HA is right about atonement of sins, quite the way it is received amongst the Christians.

In Hinduism, bad deeds aka पाप/பாவம் give rise to negative karma. Not the other way around. BTW, you forget the whole concept of pitru paksh.

by Petrichor Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:12 am

Hellsangel wrote:
Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:This whole concept of 'original sin' is a fascinating subject. I am trying to find a Hindu parallel from the concept of the theory of karma - whether karma is agnostic or has 'judgemental' overtones. We have heard of the "washing away of bad karma's effects" by dipping oneself into that cesspool flowing near Varanasi but I am not sure if HA is right about atonement of sins, quite the way it is received amongst the Christians.

In Hinduism, bad deeds aka पाप/பாவம் give rise to negative karma. Not the other way around. BTW, you forget the whole concept of pitru paksh.

You are wrong. Karma is simply "the deed or act" - virtue or vice attaches to this act/deed as per human interpretation. Karma is simply causality and effect. And Pitr paksha has nothing to do with karma but simply a means of feeding the ancestors who have passed. If you have any references to the contrary, please provide.

by Hellsangel Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:23 pm

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:This whole concept of 'original sin' is a fascinating subject. I am trying to find a Hindu parallel from the concept of the theory of karma - whether karma is agnostic or has 'judgemental' overtones. We have heard of the "washing away of bad karma's effects" by dipping oneself into that cesspool flowing near Varanasi but I am not sure if HA is right about atonement of sins, quite the way it is received amongst the Christians.

In Hinduism, bad deeds aka पाप/பாவம் give rise to negative karma. Not the other way around. BTW, you forget the whole concept of pitru paksh.

You are wrong. Karma is simply "the deed or act" - virtue or vice attaches to this act/deed as per human interpretation. Karma is simply causality and effect. And Pitr paksha has nothing to do with karma but simply a means of feeding the ancestors who have passed. If you have any references to the contrary, please provide.

About Karma, if you say so...

And about Pitru paksha - it was not in reference to Karma but about sons and father and fathers with no sons having no moksha/salvation.

by Petrichor Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:20 pm

>>fathers with no sons having no moksha/salvation

Where did you pick that up?

From Dilipsinh-ji who published an account of Kutch customs and festivals where he quotes the 29th chapter of Garuda Purana "where we are told that there is no salvation for a man without a son" ? OR
The Garuda Purana available in translated form at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/gpu/gpu02.htm which lists, 16 chapters for the Purana?

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