Here is a solution for Telangana and Seemandhra

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:02 pm

This was in Sri Krishna commission report and on a chatline, one guy is recommending it (also see the two posts underneath with advice to KCR :-))


#1
This problem can be solved in the following way. Instead of adding two Seema districts with Telangana region, add Two Telangana border districts with Seemandhra region and make extended Hyderabad as a permanent joint capital city. That way all regionshave geographic continuity to Hyderabad. Those two border districts will be Mehboobnagar and Nalgonda where separatist movement is the least.

#2
it seems to be K C R has lost mental balance. He used FOUL language like a DRUNKARD against Gandhi jee, Nehru, Indira Gandhi, PM jee, even BJP leaders (in 2004) and now entire Humanity, SEEMANDHRA people, employes and families. First who did injustice to TELANGANA? HOW? When? K C R and his family, all TRS gang did it. How KCR acquired big FARM HOUSE? What are his FAMILY assets? DID KTR, KAVITHA, HRISH RAO have any REAL income from KNOWN sources? DID they earned this income in a righteous means? TELL TO TELANGANA public? TELANGANA "DORALU" looted TELANGANA innocent poor as BONDED LABOR. NO ONE ELSE. What is your CONTRIBUTION to HYDERABAD except destroying "STATUES" of great men on TANK BUND with our envious speeches. Come with up a proposal to BUILD THERMAL POWER STATION in your farm but on POOR PEOPLE lands of TELANGANA or by destroying river GODAVARI green belt. Understand what happened in UTTARA KANDH with the actions of "GREEDY" politicians like you? Entire telangana will be washed away, if you pollute CLIMATE with your dirty plans of THERMAL POWER stations on the banks of that great river. Do not mislead people with your "DRUNKARD" comments. Education and jobs, who was responsible? How many engineers now in "PATRIOT MAHA PURUSH SARDAR PATEL TELANGANA" compared to NIJAM "TELANGANA" ? Compare number of DALITS enjoying "REAL FREEDOM" enjoying now in YUGAPURUSH N T R TELANGANA" with CONGRESS GANG "TELANGANA" who looted and enjoyed power by using SARDAR PATEL name. Compare development in HYDERABAD due to "REAL PATRIOT" who gave REAL LIFE to HARD WORKING INTELLIGENT TALENTED YOUTH in every field with "COMMUNAL VIOLENT SLUM OLD CITY" unemployed poverty youth having NO HOPE of peaceful life. WISH all PATRIOTIC telangana people especially MUSLIMS, BCs, DALITS and POOR irrespective of CASTE, COMMUNITY and RELIGION, whether in OVERSEAS or in TELANGANA should introspect themselves using their TRUE CONSCIENCE, the diffrence between PRESENT TELANGANA before NIJAM TELANGANA, Congress TELANGANA, TDP "TELANGANA". None of TRS MLAs are never tried to start GOOD SCHOOL and GODD HOSPITAL with free service to their TELANGANA in their 10 year MLA period? How all these leaders acquired ASSETS? IT is a REAL fact they had NOT LOOTED SEEMANDHRA people? So THEY Have LOOTED HYDERABAD people or TELANGANA people or both. LET T congress leaders and TRS gang, even every leader who is talking "SEEMANDHRA people as "LOOTERS", COME OUT with FACTS about their assets declared in 2004 and now. THIS K C R and his family DID nothing for TELANGANA, Do they NEED farm house to SLEEP and assets so much to live and eat by lootingTHEIR fellow "TELANGANA" people. NO CBI and COURT is required, let them answer to their CONSCIENCE? Where is now NIJAM and his HIERS, Just buried in "SOIL" of "TELANGANA", same will be the FATE of this TRS gang in FUTURE.

#3

No need to behead a "LIAR". Already you yourself "BEHEADED" several times once you started TRS party. You and T congress leaders are FEELING, you all can "REBUILD" TELANGANA. YOURSELF CAN "REBUILD" TELANGANA by giving your farmhouse to "WORKERS" who are working day and night while are drinking and sleeping. At least, even Harish Rao, his "EMMAR" block of land to POOR MUSILM people. Your son KTR money to poor TELANGANA Dalits. T leaders KOMATI REDDY brothers, G VIVEK and Jana Reddy etc, should answer to their conscience, how they got these many assets without LOOTING, the word these GANDHIANs are using against fellow seemandhra employees, who are working HARD for the development of STATE leaving their parents and families in VILLAGES in SEEMANDHRA. These SEEMANDHRA employees never TREATED telangana employees as enemies, when they provoked them as "LOOTERS" . KCR open your eyes, even your CONSCIENCE, which are CLOSED and BLIND by so much DRINKING and misjudgement. Any TELANGANA people will BEHEAD "LIARS", it happened to NXALITES, CONGRESS leaders, even communists. REALISE the difference of development of HYDERABAD now and development of "COMMUNAL VIOLENCE HEDERABAD" of olden days. KCR do not REBUILD "DORALA RAZAKAR TELANGANA". Build THERMAL POWER STATION in YOUR FARM but not by displacing POOR people of telangana or by destroying GREEN GODAVARI banks. Do not CREATE UTTARA KANDH "TRAGEDY" every year with YOUR "DRUNKARD USELESS BRAIN" to satisfy your GREED for POWER. DO NOT "BEHEAD" YOURSELF AGAIN and AGAIN, because already you are "HEADLESS and MINDLESS" man.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/behead-me-but-cant-accept-hyderabad-as-ut-k-chandrasekhar-rao-says/articleshow/21609696.cms

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:41 pm

KCR is NOW adamant that Hyderabad should go to Telengana and Telengana wonly... NO Joint capitaling or UTing.

He has refused to share Hyderabadi "protection" money, Land grabbing, Mining loot, and jobs.

He has a point. If Hyderabad is shared, then Telengans have no other city worth its name for "income."

Telengan - in Tamil it means one who speaks Telugu.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:01 pm

Today's Hyderabad has a strong imprint of SA investment. KCR can't get away with robbing Seemandhra by trying to grab Hyderabad. When calculations are made for compensation, T will owe SA an enormous amount. AP assembly resolution my not be legally binding but if it rejects the separation of T (which it will), then CONmen will have tough time going ahead with the split (because the people of SA will never forgive CONs and may even go for a bloody agitation). I don't think CONs can permanently ignore the number of MP seats in SA. Diggy bhow bhow, with his devious mindset, overplayed his role. CONs shot themselves on the foot by trying to steal the credit for T. In the end, CONs will be ignored in SA and for all you know, T may vote completely for TRS.

by Guest Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:33 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:This was in Sri Krishna commission report and on a chatline, one guy is recommending it

This problem can be solved in the following way. Instead of adding two Seema districts with Telangana region, add Two Telangana border districts with Seemandhra region and make extended Hyderabad as a permanent joint capital city. That way all regionshave geographic continuity to Hyderabad. Those two border districts will be Mehboobnagar and Nalgonda where separatist movement is the least.

+1. (I am sure the selfish ones won't accept it.)

by Idéfix Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:41 pm

Nallagonda is the heart of Telangana. The famous anti-Nizam song banDenaka banDi gaTTi refers to Nallagonda as "naTTa-naDuma" (bang in the middle) of Telangana. I know it is crazy season now, but the notion of creating a Telangana state without Nallagonda in it tops all kinds of crazy. You might as well carve out four districts of northeast AP and call that Telangana!

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:44 pm

Kinnera:

Yeah, I also think so.

by Idéfix Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:55 pm

Watch from 2:40 here:

chuTTu-muTTU sUryapETa
naTTa-naDuma nallagonDa
nuvvunDEdi haiderabAdu
dAni pakkA gOlukonDa

gOlukonDA kilA kinda
gOlukonDA kilA kinda
nI gOri kaDtam koDuko
naizAmu sarkarODa!

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:58 pm

Idéfix wrote:Nallagonda is the heart of Telangana. The famous anti-Nizam song banDenaka banDi gaTTi refers to Nallagonda as "naTTa-naDuma" (bang in the middle) of Telangana. I know it is crazy season now, but the notion of creating a Telangana state without Nallagonda in it tops all kinds of crazy. You might as well carve out four districts of northeast AP and call that Telangana!

JP was talking on NDTV today. He thinks that when such decisions are made, in a democracy, they should not be in favor of one party and against the other. At worst, each party can lose some, he says. He also said that the 6 major cities (Delhi, Kolakata, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore and Hyderabad) should not be treated at par with other cities. In other words, he was suggesting that these 6 have the ability to self-administer, sustain & contribute.

Mani Iyer, who was representing CONs, said that when A was separated from Madras, there was a similar discussion (what will happen to A's investments in M?). Bangalore from Madras (should B go to TN or K?) and Gujrat from Maha (Gujju investment in Mumbai). He says that Madras, Bangalore and Mumbai are all doing fine and are more cosmopolitan than before. He thinks (like you do) that SA guys will be fine in Hyd.

Someone else said that it would be enormously expensive to build a new capital for SA and that what has happened to Chadigarh will happen to Hyd (UT).

by Idéfix Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:15 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:... when A was separated from Madras, there was a similar discussion (what will happen to A's investments in M?). Bangalore from Madras (should B go to TN or K?) and Gujrat from Maha (Gujju investment in Mumbai). He says that Madras, Bangalore and Mumbai are all doing fine and are more cosmopolitan than before. He thinks (like you do) that SA guys will be fine in Hyd.

Gujaratis have not been kicked out of Mumbai, Telugus are still a prominent group in Chennai, and Tamilians still live in Bangalore in large numbers. In fact, the differences between Gujaratis and Marathis, Tamilians and Kannadigas, and Telugus and Tamilians, are much more pronounced than the differences between Telugus from Telangana and Telugus from Seemandhra. As NTR said in that movie speech, marriages across the new border are much more common than those between the above groups. So if all those cities did fine after separation with more differences between the groups, why is Hyderabad be the first place where things absolutely have to wrong with smaller differences?

by confuzzled dude Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:24 pm

Idéfix wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:... when A was separated from Madras, there was a similar discussion (what will happen to A's investments in M?). Bangalore from Madras (should B go to TN or K?) and Gujrat from Maha (Gujju investment in Mumbai). He says that Madras, Bangalore and Mumbai are all doing fine and are more cosmopolitan than before. He thinks (like you do) that SA guys will be fine in Hyd.
Gujaratis have not been kicked out of Mumbai, Telugus are still a prominent group in Chennai, and Tamilians still live in Bangalore in large numbers. In fact, the differences between Gujaratis and Marathis, Tamilians and Kannadigas, and Telugus and Tamilians, are much more pronounced than the differences between Telugus from Telangana and Telugus from Seemandhra. As NTR said in that movie speech, marriages across the new border are much more common than those between the above groups. So if all those cities did fine after separation with more differences between the groups, why is Hyderabad be the first place where things absolutely have to wrong with smaller differences?

There were no calls for kicking them out either, however, it is different in this case, Separate T movement solely relies on hating Andhraites and A.P.

by Idéfix Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:36 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:There were no calls for kicking them out either, however, it is different in this case, Separate T movement solely relies on hating Andhraites and A.P.

I think the Bombay case is eminently comparable. The Shiv Sena has always argued "Bombay for Maharashtrians" just like TRS argues "Hyderabad for Telangana people." Both are parties prone to goondaism. In both cases, the part of the earlier, combined state that is losing the city (Gujaratis in Bombay and coastal Andhra folks in Hyderabad) claim to have done more to develop the city than the people who get to "keep" the city. Both cities have a long history of coexistence of people from several regions. Business lobbies in both cities were opposed to separation; when separation seemed inevitable, they lobbied against inclusion of the city in the new state with the neighboring hinterland. "Bombay as UT" was a big argument that many outraged Gujaratis unsuccessfully pushed back in the day.

by Idéfix Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:17 am

For those who don't know the history of how Maharashtra was formed from Bombay state, here is a good high-level overview. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samyukta_Maharashtra_Samiti

Like with Telangana, the people of the region that surrounds the capital of a large state agitated for its bifurcation. They wanted to keep the capital city that was within their region. People from the other region, Gujarat, were opposed to the division. Their opposition was so strong that several hundred people agitating for bifurcation lost their lives; peaceful demonstrators were shot dead by the police in Bombay. Morarji Desai, the Gujarati CM of Bombay state, was ousted as a result of the incident. Desai wanted to make Bombay a union territory, just like Seemandhra politicians want to do with Hyderabad now.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:25 am

Idéfix wrote:For those who don't know the history of how Maharashtra was formed from Bombay state, here is a good high-level overview. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samyukta_Maharashtra_Samiti

Like with Telangana, the people of the region that surrounds the capital of a large state agitated for its bifurcation. They wanted to keep the capital city that was within their region. People from the other region, Gujarat, were opposed to the division. Their opposition was so strong that several hundred people agitating for bifurcation lost their lives; peaceful demonstrators were shot dead by the police in Bombay. Morarji Desai, the Gujarati CM of Bombay state, was ousted as a result of the incident. Desai wanted to make Bombay a union territory, just like Seemandhra politicians want to do with Hyderabad now.

You are over simplifying it. Bombay is closer to the Gujarat border than Hyderabad to Andhra. It is even more at the center. Making Hyd a joint capital or UT is stupidity when the border of Andhra is FAAAAR away (not like Punjab/Haryana). But, Bombay was predominantly Marathi and it was idiotic for Morarji to try to make it UT or Gujju city. But Hyd has no lang issue and for non telugu ppl, you are all just Gults.

KCR will get Hyderabad now or soon. But Andhra will be at the mercy of Telengans for Water..

Look at my very first post when you guys were talking abotu dividing the state, hyd. etc.. I was the one who talked about Krishna and godhavari and nothing else... That is one hell of a problem for you gults - and maharashtra and Karnataka will use Telengan/Andhra split to drag on and on...The Karnaka has tremendous experience through its cheating and dealing with Thamizhans on Cauvery.

You guys are screwed...BIG TIME.

by Idéfix Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:41 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Idéfix wrote:For those who don't know the history of how Maharashtra was formed from Bombay state, here is a good high-level overview. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samyukta_Maharashtra_Samiti

Like with Telangana, the people of the region that surrounds the capital of a large state agitated for its bifurcation. They wanted to keep the capital city that was within their region. People from the other region, Gujarat, were opposed to the division. Their opposition was so strong that several hundred people agitating for bifurcation lost their lives; peaceful demonstrators were shot dead by the police in Bombay. Morarji Desai, the Gujarati CM of Bombay state, was ousted as a result of the incident. Desai wanted to make Bombay a union territory, just like Seemandhra politicians want to do with Hyderabad now.

You are over simplifying it. Bombay is closer to the Gujarat border than Hyderabad to Andhra. It is even more at the center. Making Hyd a joint capital or UT is stupidity when the border of Andhra is FAAAAR away (not like Punjab/Haryana). But, Bombay was predominantly Marathi and it was idiotic for Morarji to try to make it UT or Gujju city. But Hyd has no lang issue and for non telugu ppl, you are all just Gults.

KCR will get Hyderabad now or soon. But Andhra will be at the mercy of Telengans for Water..

Look at my very first post when you guys were talking abotu dividing the state, hyd. etc.. I was the one who talked about Krishna and godhavari and nothing else... That is one hell of a problem for you gults - and maharashtra and Karnataka will use Telengan/Andhra split to drag on and on...The Karnaka has tremendous experience through its cheating and dealing with Thamizhans on Cauvery.

You guys are screwed...BIG TIME.

Saamiyaar, like I said on the other thread, you seem to not understand who is suggesting what here. I agree with you: Hyderabad as UT is a stupid idea. Andhra is too far away; I was telling someone the other day to take a look at the map and the distance from Hyderabad to the Andhra border. I think the "Hyderabad as UT" proposal is even more idiotic than Morarji Desai's "Bombay as UT" proposal.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:10 am

Idéfix wrote:
Saamiyaar, like I said on the other thread, you seem to not understand who is suggesting what here. I agree with you: Hyderabad as UT is a stupid idea. Andhra is too far away; I was telling someone the other day to take a look at the map and the distance from Hyderabad to the Andhra border. I think the "Hyderabad as UT" proposal is even more idiotic than Morarji Desai's "Bombay as UT" proposal.

So...so...all I am saying is...Telengana happens NOW or postponed. Hyderabad or some other city...those are all solvable now or in the near future. But no one wants to talk about the elephant and I am really surprised that no one has even raised the issue of water sharing...or is everyone scared to raise this issue?

I am amazed....

by Idéfix Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:16 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:I am really surprised that no one has even raised the issue of water sharing...or is everyone scared to raise this issue?

I am amazed....

Yes, it is a can of worms nobody wants to touch. I think it will come up as an issue once the resolution passes through Parliament. Telangana politicians will seem reasonable on the matter at that point, so statehood can go ahead and get political control . Once statehood is implemented, all bets about reasonable behavior are off though. On one side, both MH and KA will play the two Telugu states against each other. On the other, Telangana politicians will lose the single most important issue they can get support on: water. With the division of the state, lack of water changes from being a political asset to them to a big liability, because they will have no more excuses to give their people. This will result in chronic tensions between the two states.

by confuzzled dude Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:28 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
So...so...all I am saying is...Telengana happens NOW or postponed. Hyderabad or some other city...those are all solvable now or in the near future. But no one wants to talk about the elephant and I am really surprised that no one has even raised the issue of water sharing...or is everyone scared to raise this issue?

I am amazed....

Vanakkam SaamiYaar, soukhyama! The very premise of Separate 'T' movement is based on water sharing issues. T leaders claim that T region has been ignored perennially though the truth could've been far from those claims.

by truthbetold Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:05 pm

Samiyar and idefix ,
water was a known and acknowledged issue. we discussed on our forum too.
People are aware that there are no easy solutions.
Uppili ,
if you stop congratulating yourself, you may have time for what others. are saying.

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