Gulti Girl Killed in Guntur

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:41 am

....by her own parents...

by nevada Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:19 am

Hindustan Times website is a load of crap! A tiny amount of news content hidden amidst a sea of advertising garbage.

On the topic - looks like Northie style honor killing has made it's way to the south also?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:29 am

Yes, the girl is from a Guntur Kamma family. There was a rumor that when KCR's son was a student in Guntur, he made a pass at a Kamma girl and he was done "dehasuddhi" (pulverized) for that and his nose was broken (it has become crooked permanently).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamchedu_Massacre

by pravalika nanda Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:48 pm

by Rishi Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:47 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Yes, the girl is from a Guntur Kamma family. There was a rumor that when KCR's son was a student in Guntur, he made a pass at a Kamma girl and he was done "dehasuddhi" (pulverized) for that and his nose was broken (it has become crooked permanently).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamchedu_Massacre

>>> As long as Dalits live in villages, they have no hope of escaping enslavement by these lond-owning castes like Kammas, Vanniyars etc.

by Rishi Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:55 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

....by her own parents...

The 26-year-old woman was found strangled at her parents' home in Guntur, 266 kms from the capital of Hyderabad, on Sunday.

P Deepthi, had fallen in love with a colleague at the IT firm where she had been working since 2001.

>>>She is 26 years old now.

She had been working in an IT firm since 2001. i.e Thirteen years ago.

Which means she started working there when she was 13!

Do IT firms in India employ children?

by Rishi Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:16 pm

TOI report with more details

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Techie-murdered-by-parents-in-suspected-honour-killing/articleshow/32575093.cms

by Rishi Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:19 pm

While Deepti belonged to the Kamma community, her husband, A. Kiran Kumar, was a Kapu. The police said that her parents were unable to digest the fact that their daughter had married outside their community. Deepti’s parents invited her over and hatched a plan to kill her. They were apparently planning a big wedding for her daughter and were shocked when Deepti married a boy outside their caste at the Arya Samaj on March 21 in Hyderabad.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140326/nation-crime/article/father-takes-blame-techie-daughter%E2%80%99s-murder

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:49 pm

Rishi wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Yes, the girl is from a Guntur Kamma family. There was a rumor that when KCR's son was a student in Guntur, he made a pass at a Kamma girl and he was done "dehasuddhi" (pulverized) for that and his nose was broken (it has become crooked permanently).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamchedu_Massacre

>>> As long as Dalits live in villages, they have no hope of escaping enslavement by these lond-owning castes like Kammas, Vanniyars etc.

The situation in Karamchedu is somewhat unique. The Kamma and the Madiga communities have a long-standing misunderstanding between them. I don't think such is the case in other villages in coastal AP. In Telangana, the Madiga community is rather large but the "doras" (feudal lords like KCR) have been exploiting them since long. In the coastal region, communities other than Kammas are becoming prosperous. In my village, in recent years, the top students in the local high school are from the Dalit community.

by indophile Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:45 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Yes, the girl is from a Guntur Kamma family. There was a rumor that when KCR's son was a student in Guntur, he made a pass at a Kamma girl and he was done "dehasuddhi" (pulverized) for that and his nose was broken (it has become crooked permanently).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamchedu_Massacre

>>> As long as Dalits live in villages, they have no hope of escaping enslavement by these lond-owning castes like Kammas, Vanniyars etc.

The situation in Karamchedu is somewhat unique. The Kamma and the Madiga communities have a long-standing misunderstanding between them. I don't think such is the case in other villages in coastal AP. In Telangana, the Madiga community is rather large but the "doras" (feudal lords like KCR) have been exploiting them since long. In the coastal region, communities other than Kammas are becoming prosperous. In my village, in recent years, the top students in the local high school are from the Dalit community.

It took 20+ years in the Indian judicial system for the case to be resolved. Was Daggubati Chenchuramiah the sambandhi of NTR (i.e., FIL of NTR's daughter Purandareshwari, the erstwhile Union Minister before she ditched Congress and joined BJP)?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/SC-convicts-31-in-Karamchedu-Dalit-massacre/articleshow/3864622.cms?referral=PM

by Propagandhi711 Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:23 am

indophile wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Yes, the girl is from a Guntur Kamma family. There was a rumor that when KCR's son was a student in Guntur, he made a pass at a Kamma girl and he was done "dehasuddhi" (pulverized) for that and his nose was broken (it has become crooked permanently).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamchedu_Massacre

>>> As long as Dalits live in villages, they have no hope of escaping enslavement by these lond-owning castes like Kammas, Vanniyars etc.

The situation in Karamchedu is somewhat unique. The Kamma and the Madiga communities have a long-standing misunderstanding between them. I don't think such is the case in other villages in coastal AP. In Telangana, the Madiga community is rather large but the "doras" (feudal lords like KCR) have been exploiting them since long. In the coastal region, communities other than Kammas are becoming prosperous. In my village, in recent years, the top students in the local high school are from the Dalit community.
It took 20+ years in the Indian judicial system for the case to be resolved. Was Daggubati Chenchuramiah the sambandhi of NTR (i.e., FIL of NTR's daughter Purandareshwari, the erstwhile Union Minister before she ditched Congress and joined BJP)?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/SC-convicts-31-in-Karamchedu-Dalit-massacre/articleshow/3864622.cms?referral=PM

this was one of the more disgusting episodes of caste violence in andhra that telugu desam honchos attempted to cover up unsuccessfully. this and ranga murder episode in vijayawada were instrumental in conflating telugu desam and kamma caste as one entity and TD losing the elections, when reality is far different. and yeah chenchuramaiah is purandeshwari's FIL

by Propagandhi711 Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:48 am

a dalit leader's analysis of karamchedu incident and subsequent changes in politics from caste persepctive:

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:00 pm

indophile wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Yes, the girl is from a Guntur Kamma family. There was a rumor that when KCR's son was a student in Guntur, he made a pass at a Kamma girl and he was done "dehasuddhi" (pulverized) for that and his nose was broken (it has become crooked permanently).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamchedu_Massacre

>>> As long as Dalits live in villages, they have no hope of escaping enslavement by these lond-owning castes like Kammas, Vanniyars etc.

The situation in Karamchedu is somewhat unique. The Kamma and the Madiga communities have a long-standing misunderstanding between them. I don't think such is the case in other villages in coastal AP. In Telangana, the Madiga community is rather large but the "doras" (feudal lords like KCR) have been exploiting them since long. In the coastal region, communities other than Kammas are becoming prosperous. In my village, in recent years, the top students in the local high school are from the Dalit community.
It took 20+ years in the Indian judicial system for the case to be resolved. Was Daggubati Chenchuramiah the sambandhi of NTR (i.e., FIL of NTR's daughter Purandareshwari, the erstwhile Union Minister before she ditched Congress and joined BJP)?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/SC-convicts-31-in-Karamchedu-Dalit-massacre/articleshow/3864622.cms?referral=PM

Yes, the same family. There are other influential families there - Yarlagadda is one of them. The only deficiency they have in that village is - like it says in Sumati Satakam, they don't have a dvijudu!

by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:33 pm

Shocking!

by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:58 pm

[size=13.3333]i found more details from round table india.
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[size=13.3333]by Kathi Padma Rao [/size]

[size=13.3333]Written on 26th Anniversary of the Karamchedu massacre ([/size][size=13.3333]on July 17th, 1985 ) [/size]in Prakasam district of Andhra Pradesh .

[size=13.3333]Karamchedu village is located 7 km off from Chirala in Prakasam District of Andhra Pradesh State. The village was a big Panchayat with 16 wards. Kammas, the landlord community, lived in eight wards. Other eight wards comprised of BC, SC and ST people. Dalits resided in the 16th ward. The Kammas were very rich, arrogant and outnumbered people of other castes, and they had the last word on everything. No wonder, Karamchedu was ridden with obnoxious feudal culture. [/size]

[size=13.3333]There was no place for modern and progressive ideas in the village. The Kamma caste ruled the roost. Yadavas, Rajakas, Nayibrahmins, Upparas, Chundu nayaks, Muslims, Yerukulas, Yanadis, Malas and Madigas were living in the village. Kammas owned thousands of acres of land. They presided over and decided all village affairs. The big shots among them included the families of Daggubati, Chaganti, Yarlagadda, Perni, Manda and Puvati. The fattened Kammas routinely ill-treated, humiliated and physically assaulted workers who toiled in their houses. They were also known to murder their workers and the bodies disappeared for ever. Ten years before the Karamchedu carnage, Upperas, Backward Caste people, rebelled against the brutality of Kammas. The latter frequently raided Upperapalem and attacked Upperas. Venkateswarlu, a Chundunayak leader, tried to organise peasants for a wage hike. Kammas barbarically assaulted him. Venkateswarlu ran away and hid himself in Madigapalle. Kammas asked the Madigas to hand over Venkateswarlu to them. Madigas rejected Kammas' demand. They told Kammas bluntly that they would protect Venkateswarlu even at the cost of their lives. Unable to challenge the Madigas, they went back. But the Kammas from that day, nurtured hatred against Madigas. Later they attacked Malas and the Madigas rescued the Malas. That incident further enraged them. They were only waiting for a ruse to settle scores with Madigas. The Madigapalle of Karamchedu was full of self-respect. Four hundred families had the same surname. Families of Tella and Duddu were the main force of Madigas. They were all warriors and experts in karrasamu. They used to perform martial art with sticks to the rhythm of billamgodu tune. Yehoshua was the best among them. The Madigapalle was bound by a code of conduct. Elders watched over its strict adherence. Madigas were agricultural labourers. Though they depended on Kammas for their modest living, they never compromised on self-respect. They fought to the end in defence of their dignity. [/size]

[size=13.3333]Kammas flourished on all fronts all over the State. In Karamchedu, with the help of Kuppuswamy, a Justice Party leader, and Congress and Communist party leaders, they accumulated wealth and properties. Kammas, from the beginning, maintained a unique nature. Rank selfishness had always been in their blood. They worked in different parties. But they joined hands in protecting their caste interests and hegemony. They raised cotton, tobacco and other cash crops along with traditional crops. They monopolized trade, moneylending business and particularly cinema industry. The Karamchedu landlords had thus become very rich. The Telugu Desam Party, which was set up to counter Reddy politics, had its roots in Karamchedu. The village landlord, Daggubati Chenchuramaiah, was related to TDP leader N. T. Rama Rao. His son, Daggubati Venkateswara Rao, was married to NTR's daughter. Relationship with NTR had only added to the arrogance of Karamchedu Kammas. Police and revenue officials became henchmen of Daggubati family. With that, no one could stop Kammas. Their caste grip, muscle power and political arrogance increased. They treated other caste people as menials. They committed atrocities on helpless people. They raided houses and harassed poor women sexually. Venkatesu, a Kamma youth and son of Yerram Kanna, went to the house of Tirupataiah and Yerukula, and misbehaved with his daughter. Tirupataiah and his wife tried to stop him. Venkatesu assaulted the couple. A few Dalit youth who were watching the Kamma youth's unruly behaviour, intervened and forcibly stopped Venkatesu from teasing Tirupataiah's daughter. Kammas took this incident as an affront to their caste supremacy. Malas, Madigas and Yerukulas were living side by side in Karamchedu. Kammas' kalyanamandapam (marriage hall) was located nearby. Dalit women used the nearby bund as an open toilet. Kamma youths, particularly Lakshmaiah, son of Gotori Burraiah, llamma, grandson of Munirattaiah, Venkateswarlu (Venkatesu), son of Yerram Kanna, teased them. The Madiga youth put an end to their beastly games. Kammas were naturally peeved at the Dalit youths' intervention. After NTR had formed Telugu Desam Party, all Kammas jumped into it. Dalits remained in the Congress Party being an eyesore for Kammas. The elections were announced. NTR's son-in-law and Chenchuramaiah's son Daggubati Venkateswara Rao contested for the MLA seat. Chenchuramaiah came to Madigapalle and met the elders. 'My son is contesting. You all should vote for him,' he said. The latter said they would have to think about it. On the election day, when polling was in progress. It was clear Dalits were voting for the Congress Party. The TDP agents obstructed Dalits, pushed them out and tried to shut the booth doors. Dalits resisted. The TDP agents and hooligans clashed with them. In the evening on the same day, about 300 Kammas surrounded Madigapalle. Undaunted, Madigas faced them. Kammas, taken aback, retreated. From then on, Kammas spit venom on the Madigas and waited for any pretext to pick up row with them.[/size]

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[size=13.3333]July 16, 1985[/size]

[size=13.3333]Two Kamma youth, Potina Seenu and Rayineedu Prasad, took their buffaloes to the drinking water tank in Madigapalle. They fed the buffaloes with washings of rice in buckets. While they were washing the dirty buckets in the tank, Katti Chandraiah, a Dalit boy, objected to it. His courage angered Seenu and Prasad. They were about to beat up Chandraiah when Munnangi Suvaartha, a Madiga woman, came to the tank to collect water. She tried to protect the boy from the attack of Kamma youths. Seenu and Prasad threw hunters at her. She lifted her vessel and warded off the hunters. Suvaartha's lifting of vessel in self-defence became a pretext for Kammas, who were itching for a fresh quarrel with Madigas after the election clash. They used the trivial occasion for a ghastly attack on Madigas. 'A Madiga woman lifted the vessel to attack Kammas. There was no meaning for our caste domination,' fumed Kammas. But they knew that they alone could not attack Madigas. They mobilised Kammas of seven surrounding villages, swooped on the Madigapalle on July 17th morning. They raided every Dalit's house, drove Madigas into fields. The blood thirsty Kammas beat Madigas, stabbed them and axed them. They raped Dalit women. They became murderers and barbarians and it was no exaggeration.. They chased and hunted Madigas for over 7 km. The murder and mayhem had no parallel in the Indian subcontinent. Duddu Moshe, Duddu Ramesh, Tella Yehoshua, Tella Moshe, Tella Muthaiah and Duddu Abraham were axed to death by Kammas. In fact, eight Dalits were killed in the Kammas' attack. Police did not show two bodies to the victims and secretly buried them.[/size]

by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:59 pm

[size=13.3333]the place round table india is full of fanatics. i didn't know we had dalits in andhra. isn't devyani khobragade a dalit? and the bengali leader mayawati?
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by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:03 pm

Harijans (hârˈĭjănzˌ) [key] [children of God], in India, individuals who are at the bottom of or outside the Hindu caste system. They were traditionally sweepers, washers of clothes, leatherworkers, and those whose occupation it was to kill animals. The term is also sometimes applied to the hill tribes of India, who are considered unclean by some because they eat beef. Originally called untouchables or pariahs, they were given the name Harijans by the Indian political and religious leader Mahatma Gandhi, who worked for many years to improve their lives. Many now refer to themselves as Dalits [Marathi,=broken] to indicate their oppressed position outside Hindu society; legally the Indian government groups them as "scheduled castes."

(above is the defn from the www)
half of india eats meat, why would they say the people who kill animals are untouchables???

by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:05 pm

i think rohinton mistry wrote a book about leatherworkers, my sis was reading it and had highly recc it to me and thought he was an exceptional writer.

by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:05 pm

pravalika nanda wrote: i didn't know we had dalits in andhra. isn't devyani khobragade a dalit? and the bengali leader mayawati?

@ I didn't know we had dalits in andhra.

We have dalits everwhere in India. And there are rich dalits and poor dalits. The rich are the ones availing of the caste reservations for generations and remain rich. Devyani comes in the former category.

by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:08 pm

how can someone who washes clothes be called a dalit??? the ones in bangalore charge my aunt an arm and a limb and wear very nice clothes themselves. my aunt's laundry girl had a boyfriend who was an auto driver. i suppose now a lot of auto drivers think of themselves as dalits too. i think they should pay taxes.

by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:12 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:how can someone who washes clothes be called a dalit??? the ones in bangalore charge my aunt an arm and a limb and wear very nice clothes themselves. my aunt's laundry girl had a boyfriend who was an auto driver. i suppose now a lot of auto drivers think of themselves as dalits too. i think they should pay taxes.

Oh god! Now your focus has shifted from the mexican illegal immigrants in US to dalits in India! Smile

by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:13 pm

Kinnera wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote: i didn't know we had dalits in andhra. isn't devyani khobragade a dalit? and the bengali leader mayawati?

@ I didn't know we had dalits in andhra.

We have dalits everwhere in India. And there are rich dalits and poor dalits. The rich are the ones availing of the caste reservations for generations and remain rich. Devyani comes in the former category.

yes, i just realized all those cleaners, sweepers, maybe even the florists and grocers (who have their own carts) are all dalits. and i guess the fisherpeople also think they're dalits. i guess i know more dalits that i realized.

devyani is a little bitch the way she manipulated the system. apt how the comedian in southindian's post said: "there are some things that money can't buy and for everythign else there is the minority card!"

by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:17 pm

Kinnera wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:how can someone who washes clothes be called a dalit??? the ones in bangalore charge my aunt an arm and a limb and wear very nice clothes themselves. my aunt's laundry girl had a boyfriend who was an auto driver. i suppose now a lot of auto drivers think of themselves as dalits too. i think they should pay taxes.

Oh god! Now your focus has shifted from the mexican illegal immigrants in US to dalits in India!

well i'm reading up on them just now and it seems that they're not the actual poor people of india, they're the lower working class, they generate incomes for themselves so i'm not going to waste a lot of sentiment on them. please.

by pravalika nanda Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:19 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote: i didn't know we had dalits in andhra. isn't devyani khobragade a dalit? and the bengali leader mayawati?

@ I didn't know we had dalits in andhra.

We have dalits everwhere in India. And there are rich dalits and poor dalits. The rich are the ones availing of the caste reservations for generations and remain rich. Devyani comes in the former category.
yes, i just realized all those cleaners, sweepers, maybe even the florists and grocers (who have their own carts) are all dalits. and i guess the fisherpeople also think they're dalits. i guess i know more dalits that i realized.

devyani is a little bitch the way she manipulated the system. apt how the comedian in southindian's post said: "there are some things that money can't buy and for everythign else there is the minority card!"

i don't like this word "dalit" and i don't think of the above people as dalits and it'd be better for them if they didn't either.

by Guest Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:45 pm

ya, Prav. They don't want to give up the caste card coz of the reservations.

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