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Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:06 pm
MYTH:
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My latest purchase, “Bal Narendra” (“Boy Narendra”), was styled after Amar Chitra Katha.
I turned the pages with a mixture of anticipation and foreboding. The book purports to tell stories from the childhood of Narendra Modi, the longtime chief minister of Gujarat, one of the richest states in India, and the polarizing Hindu nationalist candidate for prime minister in the ongoing election. The tales are part of Mr. Modi’s high-octane campaign effort to present himself as a bearer of good governance, growth and efficiency.
Bal Narendra, the son of a tea-seller in a small town of Gujarat, embodies many virtues: courage, wit, diligence, fairness, compassion. He sells tea at a village fair to raise money for flood victims. In devotion to the religious tradition of his village, he swims across a lake full of crocodiles and hoists a flag on top of a temple on an island.
REALITY:
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Mr. Modi has not visited the camps of the Muslims displaced by the violence or apologized for his government’s failure to protect a minority.
Ahmedabad, Gujarat’s largest city, has become a wealthy metropolis of about six million people and three million private vehicles. Office complexes, high-rise apartments, busy markets and shopping malls have replaced the poor villages that once dotted the land. The city has a mass transit system called People’s Path, with corridors reserved for buses.
But Ahmedabad ceases to swagger in Juhapura, a southwestern neighborhood and the city’s largest Muslim ghetto, with about 400,000 people.
Mr. Modi’s engines of growth seem to have stalled on The Border. His acclaimed bus network ends a few miles before Juhapura. The route of a planned metro rail line also stops short of the neighborhood. The same goes for the city’s gas pipelines, which are operated by a company belonging to a billionaire businessman close to Mr. Modi.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/opinion/being-muslim-under-narendra-modi.html?hp&rref=opinion
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My latest purchase, “Bal Narendra” (“Boy Narendra”), was styled after Amar Chitra Katha.
I turned the pages with a mixture of anticipation and foreboding. The book purports to tell stories from the childhood of Narendra Modi, the longtime chief minister of Gujarat, one of the richest states in India, and the polarizing Hindu nationalist candidate for prime minister in the ongoing election. The tales are part of Mr. Modi’s high-octane campaign effort to present himself as a bearer of good governance, growth and efficiency.
Bal Narendra, the son of a tea-seller in a small town of Gujarat, embodies many virtues: courage, wit, diligence, fairness, compassion. He sells tea at a village fair to raise money for flood victims. In devotion to the religious tradition of his village, he swims across a lake full of crocodiles and hoists a flag on top of a temple on an island.
REALITY:
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Mr. Modi has not visited the camps of the Muslims displaced by the violence or apologized for his government’s failure to protect a minority.
Ahmedabad, Gujarat’s largest city, has become a wealthy metropolis of about six million people and three million private vehicles. Office complexes, high-rise apartments, busy markets and shopping malls have replaced the poor villages that once dotted the land. The city has a mass transit system called People’s Path, with corridors reserved for buses.
But Ahmedabad ceases to swagger in Juhapura, a southwestern neighborhood and the city’s largest Muslim ghetto, with about 400,000 people.
Mr. Modi’s engines of growth seem to have stalled on The Border. His acclaimed bus network ends a few miles before Juhapura. The route of a planned metro rail line also stops short of the neighborhood. The same goes for the city’s gas pipelines, which are operated by a company belonging to a billionaire businessman close to Mr. Modi.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/opinion/being-muslim-under-narendra-modi.html?hp&rref=opinion
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Rishi Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:30 pm
Rahul
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Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:35 pm
Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Human psychology is whoever whines, screams, and hurts more gets the sympathy and perceived as being the wronged one - irrespective of the real cause behind the whole issue.
Islamists have time and again and forever have started trouble simply by claiming that that their koran, Dr. PBUH or their sentiments are hurt as though that is a valid reason...
So the article is right...hindus bad and islamis good (except for 9/11 of course).
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Kris Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:05 pm
Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
>>>Of course, but that takes away from the 'black and white' narrative.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:59 pm
Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by ashdoc Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:17 am
gujaratis are vegetarians and have problems living with the nonvegetarian muslims . the smell and sight of nonveg food probably repels them .confuzzled dude wrote:Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:59 am
confuzzled dude wrote:Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
Hopefully, they will remember if they ever think of setting another train on fire. If hindus can live Dharavi, why cant muslims live in Juhapura?
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:45 am
What happened to your mutton theory, Doc?ashdoc wrote:gujaratis are vegetarians and have problems living with the nonvegetarian muslims . the smell and sight of nonveg food probably repels them .confuzzled dude wrote:Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:50 am
Spoken like a caste Hindu, all they know is to alienate low-caste Hindus and people of other cultures.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
Hopefully, they will remember if they ever think of setting another train on fire. If hindus can live Dharavi, why cant muslims live in Juhapura?
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Mauni Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:53 am
http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,901495844001_2064551,00.html?iid=tabvidrecircconfuzzled dude wrote:Spoken like a caste Hindu, all they know is to alienate low-caste Hindus and people of other cultures.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
Hopefully, they will remember if they ever think of setting another train on fire. If hindus can live Dharavi, why cant muslims live in Juhapura?
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:15 pm
confuzzled dude wrote:Spoken like a caste Hindu, all they know is to alienate low-caste Hindus and people of other cultures.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
Hopefully, they will remember if they ever think of setting another train on fire. If hindus can live Dharavi, why cant muslims live in Juhapura?
Nope... India and hindus FIRST have to improve the lot of the hindus - left behind by the 1000 yr iSlamic rule. Then only worry about the erstwhile ruling/killing/raping class of the last millenium.
Why do the iSlamis expect special privileges - just bz they had ruled India for a 1000 years. That expectation, favors went with the creation of the pure land. They should learn to leave iSlam at the doorstep and live as equals with others and TREAT the Kafirs and infidels as fellow humans of equal value.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by ashdoc Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:41 pm
nothing happened to it...confuzzled dude wrote:What happened to your mutton theory, Doc?ashdoc wrote:gujaratis are vegetarians and have problems living with the nonvegetarian muslims . the smell and sight of nonveg food probably repels them .confuzzled dude wrote:Rishi wrote:
Rahul
Wilmington, DE 4 hours ago
Author fails to mention that the Godhra riots were started by a Muslim mob burning Hindu pilgrims alive in a locked railcar. India has hindu slums as well as muslim slums.
Muslims, who used to live across Ahmedabad, are now increasingly flocking to ghettos, mostly along the city’s fringes
Cut to Juhapura on the western tip of Ahmedabad, which throws up not only all the woes that the smaller ghettos like Vatwa and others face, but also a worrying reality. This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece
in mumbai too gujaratis have similar problems with marathis ; they want their own veg co op housing societies where maharashtrians are not allowed because marathis eat nonveg .
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Propagandhi711 Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:49 pm
from one of the comments, a photoblog article on juhapura, the dreaded slum where muslims are cast out to:
http://thewrongdoctor.com/2014/01/03/juhapura/
http://thewrongdoctor.com/2014/01/03/juhapura/
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Guest Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:56 pm
Propagandhi711 wrote:from one of the comments, a photoblog article on juhapura, the dreaded slum where muslims are cast out to:
http://thewrongdoctor.com/2014/01/03/juhapura/
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by ashdoc Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:03 pm
’ There are many anti-social people there. Many ISI people are staying there.”
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Guest Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:19 pm
ashdoc wrote:’ There are many anti-social people there. Many ISI people are staying there.”
Is that all u got out of the article?
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by ashdoc Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:23 pm
a police officer said what i quoted , and the author says he was very kind....
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Propagandhi711 Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:58 pm
Rashmun wrote:Propagandhi711 wrote:from one of the comments, a photoblog article on juhapura, the dreaded slum where muslims are cast out to:
http://thewrongdoctor.com/2014/01/03/juhapura/
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
People say I should hate Pakistan. Why? They are people. For me the only country we should hate as Muslims is Israel.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:09 pm
Pictures in that blog corroborate the content in the article published by Hindu which suggests that If you're a Muslim living in that city you pretty much are relegated that one area no matter what..Propagandhi711 wrote:from one of the comments, a photoblog article on juhapura, the dreaded slum where muslims are cast out to:
http://thewrongdoctor.com/2014/01/03/juhapura/
"This is that, if you are a Muslim in Gujarat you have no option but to head for a ghetto, irrespective of your economic and professional status.
This explains the emergence of two Juhapuras in the area. One that has economically well-off professionals living in plush apartment buildings and bungalows, not by choice but by force — for nobody would give them a house in Ahmedabad’s mainstream upmarket Hindu areas."
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:33 pm
Rashmun wrote:Propagandhi711 wrote:from one of the comments, a photoblog article on juhapura, the dreaded slum where muslims are cast out to:
http://thewrongdoctor.com/2014/01/03/juhapura/
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
"Growing up in Gujarat, even if a Muslim has nothing to do with Pakistan, he or she will often be expected to prove their patriotism to India and ‘thus’ hatred for Pakistan"
The above line pretty much sums it up; even Max, who is born Hindu (a pure one by RSS standards), on this board was asked to prove his Indianness.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:05 pm
confuzzled dude wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
"Growing up in Gujarat, even if a Muslim has nothing to do with Pakistan, he or she will often be expected to prove their patriotism to India and ‘thus’ hatred for Pakistan"
The above line pretty much sums it up; even Max, who is born Hindu (a pure one by RSS standards), on this board was asked to prove his Indianness.
There is nothing wrong if the Indian muslims are expected to. After all, they asked for a separate country and most of them stayed back to continue to support their fellow traitors. Also, the Indian muslims expect all hindus to treat them as some sort of special people despite abusing/raping/forcibly converting the hindus for a 1000 years, AND bcz the Koran says so. If the Muslims can follow Koran verbatim, nothing wrong if MANY hindus follow RSS views. Perhaps, the muslims should leave the koran at their front doors and learn to accept "freedom of speech" and the follow the concept of "live and let live."
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Guest Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:09 pm
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
"Growing up in Gujarat, even if a Muslim has nothing to do with Pakistan, he or she will often be expected to prove their patriotism to India and ‘thus’ hatred for Pakistan"
The above line pretty much sums it up; even Max, who is born Hindu (a pure one by RSS standards), on this board was asked to prove his Indianness.
There is nothing wrong if the Indian muslims are expected to. After all, they asked for a separate country and most of them stayed back to continue to support their fellow traitors. Also, the Indian muslims expect all hindus to treat them as some sort of special people despite abusing/raping/forcibly converting the hindus for a 1000 years, AND bcz the Koran says so. If the Muslims can follow Koran verbatim, nothing wrong if MANY hindus follow RSS views. Perhaps, the muslims should leave the koran at their front doors and learn to accept "freedom of speech" and the follow the concept of "live and let live."
The demand for the separate country was a mistake compounded by inept handling of the situation by Congress leaders and the British who were all along wanting India to be partitioned so that it would remain weak and not become another nuisance like China has become now. Many Pakistanis as of today want reunification to take place. It will happen, not now but maybe in another 40-50 years.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:22 pm
If I were an unbiased Indian, I wouldn't trust Modi at all for his intransigent stance on 2002 riots. It doesn't matter whether he is tired of explaining his side of the story over and over between 2002 & 2007 or not (it is hard to imagine that media is unable to dig-up his apologies from the past). How can anyone trust & handover the reins of a sovereign nation to someone who is running away from taking responsibility for his actions or inaction that resulted into massacre, some call it genocide. Also, as someone dreaming of leading a democratic nation, can not & must not come across as a religious bigot who likes to respect traditions of certain religious groups, not others.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:34 pm
You mean like this:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
"Growing up in Gujarat, even if a Muslim has nothing to do with Pakistan, he or she will often be expected to prove their patriotism to India and ‘thus’ hatred for Pakistan"
The above line pretty much sums it up; even Max, who is born Hindu (a pure one by RSS standards), on this board was asked to prove his Indianness.
There is nothing wrong if the Indian muslims are expected to. After all, they asked for a separate country and most of them stayed back to continue to support their fellow traitors. Also, the Indian muslims expect all hindus to treat them as some sort of special people despite abusing/raping/forcibly converting the hindus for a 1000 years, AND bcz the Koran says so. If the Muslims can follow Koran verbatim, nothing wrong if MANY hindus follow RSS views. Perhaps, the muslims should leave the koran at their front doors and learn to accept "freedom of speech" and the follow the concept of "live and let live."
"Husain, who was once a member of the Rajya Sabha and had been awarded the Padma Vibhushan, was living in self-imposed exile since 2006, following a series of legal cases and death threats against him over his paintings depicting Hindu goddesses in the nude. Most of the threats and cases came from goons and activists of different Sangh Parivar organisations."
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by rawemotions Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:43 pm
Let us look at what the Political Islamists are doingMarathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
"Growing up in Gujarat, even if a Muslim has nothing to do with Pakistan, he or she will often be expected to prove their patriotism to India and ‘thus’ hatred for Pakistan"
The above line pretty much sums it up; even Max, who is born Hindu (a pure one by RSS standards), on this board was asked to prove his Indianness.
There is nothing wrong if the Indian muslims are expected to. After all, they asked for a separate country and most of them stayed back to continue to support their fellow traitors. Also, the Indian muslims expect all hindus to treat them as some sort of special people despite abusing/raping/forcibly converting the hindus for a 1000 years, AND bcz the Koran says so. If the Muslims can follow Koran verbatim, nothing wrong if MANY hindus follow RSS views. Perhaps, the muslims should leave the koran at their front doors and learn to accept "freedom of speech" and the follow the concept of "live and let live."
a) They want Muslim SP's, and other Muslim Officers in each police station
b) They want Muslim Only education institutions
c) They want reservations for Muslims (even though this is against constitution)
d) There is a movement to have North Kerala (into a Muslim Majority state) including some districts of TN into it.
e) They pointedly refuse reforms in Muslim personal law with regards to equality of Women
f) In Kerala education ministry has been Islamized. The RPO was a body guard of one Muslim minister and he is in the dock for issuing Passports to unknown individuals, who's country origins are suspect.
g) They want a Muslim connection in everything. If there is a terrorist attack, in a Muslim area or Masjid, they openly say that a Muslim can never harm other Muslims, implicitly acknowledging that Muslims can attack Non-Muslims. No person in the media questions this blatantly biased statement.
h) They want to harm fellow citizens for global issues on Islam (Myanmar/Thailand etc..)
i) They want Islamic Banking and Sharia based laws (many of which are anti-constitutional)
j) They practice politics of segregation and identity and force their identity politics on ordinary Muslims (forcing them to wear a veil or behave in a particular way)
150-160 Million Muslims in India are suffering because the Political Islamists of India (supported by the so called(pseudo) Secular parties), want to combine religion , power and politics and rule through the Mullah.
The sad truth is that Political Islamists have not learnt the lessons of Partition and are perpetuating exactly the same politics which lead to Partition in the first place. While the Hindus/Sikhs/Parsis/Christians and all others have understood the danger in segregationist politics and and have agreed to work for a truly secular state, it is the Political Islamists who are retrograde and have not learnt the lessons of partition and are radicalizing all young Muslims, through a warped education system in their Madrassas, that imbibes Political Islamic Supremacist doctrine into young minds, turning them against the general consensus of the rest of India. which is built on true secularism.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:05 pm
confuzzled dude wrote:You mean like this:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:confuzzled dude wrote:Rashmun wrote:
Another perspective on Juhapura:
http://kafila.org/2012/12/28/seeing-pakistan-from-juhapura-zahir-janmohamed/
"Growing up in Gujarat, even if a Muslim has nothing to do with Pakistan, he or she will often be expected to prove their patriotism to India and ‘thus’ hatred for Pakistan"
The above line pretty much sums it up; even Max, who is born Hindu (a pure one by RSS standards), on this board was asked to prove his Indianness.
There is nothing wrong if the Indian muslims are expected to. After all, they asked for a separate country and most of them stayed back to continue to support their fellow traitors. Also, the Indian muslims expect all hindus to treat them as some sort of special people despite abusing/raping/forcibly converting the hindus for a 1000 years, AND bcz the Koran says so. If the Muslims can follow Koran verbatim, nothing wrong if MANY hindus follow RSS views. Perhaps, the muslims should leave the koran at their front doors and learn to accept "freedom of speech" and the follow the concept of "live and let live."
"Husain, who was once a member of the Rajya Sabha and had been awarded the Padma Vibhushan, was living in self-imposed exile since 2006, following a series of legal cases and death threats against him over his paintings depicting Hindu goddesses in the nude. Most of the threats and cases came from goons and activists of different Sangh Parivar organisations."
It.. was all a lie...more likely some of his cronies would have stage managed this threat drama. Bcz hindus do not threaten...
Bhagavad Gita says so.......Did Hussain ever draw a naked painting of Mahamad? or Jesus ? then he is a secular unbiased fukir. Since he did not, he is just a closet jehadi.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:12 pm
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The sad truth is that Political Islamists have not learnt the lessons of Partition and are perpetuating exactly the same politics which lead to Partition in the first place. While the Hindus/Sikhs/Parsis/Christians and all others have understood the danger in segregationist politics and and have agreed to work for a truly secular state, it is the Political Islamists who are retrograde and have not learnt the lessons of partition and are radicalizing all young Muslims, through a warped education system in their Madrassas, that imbibes Political Islamic Supremacist doctrine into young minds, turning them against the general consensus of the rest of India. which is built on true secularism.
I disagree with your calling them "Political iSlamists" politics by nature calls for compromise. These guys dont believe in compromise and believe in every word of Koran and koran only. These are Koranic iSlamists. It is precisely bcz the political iSlamists are silent eunuchs, the Koranic iSlamists are dictating terms on all Indians.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by rawemotions Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:25 pm
Let me state this. The leaders who are Political Islamists do this, and also follow what you suggest. The rest of them are guilty by silently supporting them. However many want to live normal lives and do not want to get involved. But they do not stick their neck out and question the Political islamist doctrine, because then it would be interpreted as questioning the doctrine espoused in Koran or Hadith. This is the core issue. There is no concerted movement to separate out the Political aspects from the faith, in Koran or Hadith. A few may believe that it is just story, but they do not question many others who take the political aspects as part of faith, especially the doctrine of denigrating other religions and the people belonging to those religions.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:rawemotions wrote:
The sad truth is that Political Islamists have not learnt the lessons of Partition and are perpetuating exactly the same politics which lead to Partition in the first place. While the Hindus/Sikhs/Parsis/Christians and all others have understood the danger in segregationist politics and and have agreed to work for a truly secular state, it is the Political Islamists who are retrograde and have not learnt the lessons of partition and are radicalizing all young Muslims, through a warped education system in their Madrassas, that imbibes Political Islamic Supremacist doctrine into young minds, turning them against the general consensus of the rest of India. which is built on true secularism.
I disagree with your calling them "Political iSlamists" politics by nature calls for compromise. These guys dont believe in compromise and believe in every word of Koran and koran only. These are Koranic iSlamists. It is precisely bcz the political iSlamists are silent eunuchs, the Koranic iSlamists are dictating terms on all Indians.
This is the root of all evil.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:49 pm
rawemotions wrote:
b) They want Muslim Only education institutions
I think we have been through this before. Do you have any examples of institutions run by Hindutva groups that teach both Sanskrit & Islam
The bare, red brick walls of the Standard 7 classroom are yet to be plastered, the window frames still to be fitted. Here, 12-year-old Nadima Bano and Hishamuddin are reciting, their pronunciation perfect and elocution chaste, this ode to India, "Yasyottarasyamdishibhati bhumao Himalayah parvatraj eshah..." It's a sloka in Sanskrit that translated means 'the land shielded by the Himalayas in the north'. "Sanskrit padhne se zubaan saaf ho jaati hai (the diction becomes clear by learning Sanskrit)," Hishamuddin tells us. "Sanskrit is considered the mother of all languages," says their teacher Rabindra Kumar Mishra. "It's ironical that institutions like this madrassa should be nursing it while it's vanishing elsewhere."
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?239300
http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?230003
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by confuzzled dude Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:02 pm
Problem with you is that you want India to turn into those very fatwa issuing countries that you vehemently criticize.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
It.. was all a lie...more likely some of his cronies would have stage managed this threat drama. Bcz hindus do not threaten...
Did Hussain ever draw a naked painting of Mahamad? or Jesus ? then he is a secular unbiased fukir. Since he did not, he is just a closet jehadi.
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Re: Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:00 pm
confuzzled dude wrote:Problem with you is that you want India to turn into those very fatwa issuing countries that you vehemently criticize.Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
It.. was all a lie...more likely some of his cronies would have stage managed this threat drama. Bcz hindus do not threaten...
Did Hussain ever draw a naked painting of Mahamad? or Jesus ? then he is a secular unbiased fukir. Since he did not, he is just a closet jehadi.
How else to subdue the Koranists who want to convert the whole India into a Pakistan? The only way to enforce peace on obscurantists is by strength and force - Reagan.
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