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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu May 22, 2014 1:31 am


Has the best chance to reach a "liveable" solution under Modi. Modi - being considered a Hindu fundamentalist and a RSS man - can boldly broker a deal without being accused of betraying India/Hindus. Sonia or Madam Mohan Singh can never do that as non-hindus they had/will have to constant worry about the interpretation by the hindus.

South African racism was broken by an avowed racist F. W DeClerlk

Polish communism broken by the military commie Jaruzelski

Soviet break down was initiated by a KGB Chief Andropov..

vajpayee did try just that. But, the weak Sharif and paki military got greedy and stupid and ruined everything.

Now also, a similar backstabbing may be attempted by Paki military. But, unlike Vajpayee, Modi will have a totally different political strength and a post independence outlook on pakistan. So there is potentially the greatest opportunity and also equally a great potential for a great war.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Thu May 22, 2014 5:29 am

translation: we will accuse you of selling out if you make nice with the neighbor, but if we do the same that's ok because we do so with the authority that comes from wearing the right uniform, the chuddy.
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu May 22, 2014 10:34 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:translation: we will accuse you of selling out if you make nice with the neighbor, but if we do the same that's ok because we do so with the authority that comes from wearing the right uniform, the chuddy.

So you did not see my other examples...and the political psychology behind those actions.

Of course not...

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Post by Idéfix Thu May 22, 2014 10:55 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:translation: we will accuse you of selling out if you make nice with the neighbor, but if we do the same that's ok because we do so with the authority that comes from wearing the right uniform, the chuddy.
Also, if we in power do the exact opposite of what we told you we will do when asking for votes, that is because we are statesmen. If the other party does the opposite of what it promises, they are cheating the people.
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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu May 22, 2014 11:04 am

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Post by truthbetold Thu May 22, 2014 11:25 am

Max/idefax
that is right. that is why nixon's China initiative is often quoted. it sounds unfair but that is what happens in life. common men are more comfortable with republican making deals with socialists than dems.

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Post by Idéfix Thu May 22, 2014 11:31 am

Fair enough. As long as Modi doesn't end up doing what Vajpayee and Jaswant did with Masood Azhar, we should still come out ahead.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu May 22, 2014 11:57 am

Idéfix wrote:Fair enough. As long as Modi doesn't end up doing what Vajpayee and Jaswant did with Masood Azhar, we should still come out ahead.
You just have to wait and see what happens. Even CONmen have been rather quiet on this (smart on their part).

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Post by indophile Thu May 22, 2014 12:37 pm

I see some comparisons of Nixon's China initiative, Vajpayee's bus thingie, etc. But I think the it's much simpler than all those grand plans. 
You see, slightly before, and immediately after, the Pakistani ambassodor has been lifting his tail (Telugu - toka ettutunnaadu - meaning, acting big) giving big statesman-like statements in the press about pushing for peace, "meaningful dialogue" on Kashmir etc. Now this invitation totally confused him, Shariff, generals, and everybody else. It's innocuous on the surface, but loaded underneath. If he doesn't come, it proves all that talk about peace was empty talk. If he comes, his ass will be fried by those fundamentalists (girls-shooting Pakistani Taliban, blow-up artistes Al Queda, throat-slitters in Karachi, Kashmir terrorists, and other not so nice group whom no Pakistani politician dare cross). Thus the invitation is just calling his bluff.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu May 22, 2014 1:51 pm

indophile wrote:I see some comparisons of Nixon's China initiative, Vajpayee's bus thingie, etc. But I think the it's much simpler than all those grand plans. 
You see, slightly before, and immediately after, the Pakistani ambassodor has been lifting his tail (Telugu - toka ettutunnaadu - meaning, acting big) giving big statesman-like statements in the press about pushing for peace, "meaningful dialogue" on Kashmir etc. Now this invitation totally confused him, Shariff, generals, and everybody else. It's innocuous on the surface, but loaded underneath. If he doesn't come, it proves all that talk about peace was empty talk. If he comes, his ass will be fried by those fundamentalists (girls-shooting Pakistani Taliban, blow-up artistes Al Queda, throat-slitters in Karachi, Kashmir terrorists, and other not so nice group whom no Pakistani politician dare cross). Thus the invitation is just calling his bluff.
Yeah, you may be right.

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