I think the RSS has its priorities wrong

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:02 am

....This hindi imposition will QUICKLY turn much of South (except the big cities) against Modi and BJP.

Stupid Raj Narain did the same thing in 1977 and the JP was quickly mired in language issue. What is it with these assholes that they focus on the most divisive issues instead of focusing on the common issues ?

So the Govt is more afraid of iSlamis than non-hindi speaking Southerners?

by goodcitizn Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:16 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....This hindi imposition will QUICKLY turn much of South (except the big cities) against Modi and BJP.

Stupid Raj Narain did the same thing in 1977 and the JP was quickly mired in language issue. What is it with these assholes that they focus on the most divisive issues instead of focusing on the common issues ?

So the Govt is more afraid of iSlamis than non-hindi speaking Southerners?

YES.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:17 am

"But these days, they are spending their evenings frantically looking up words after new Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared that all official documents must be written in Hindi, spoken by hundreds of millions across northern India. While many bureaucrats speak the language, few know the formal phrases needed for official communication.

“It's unbelievable how much time I spend rifling through the Hindi dictionary,'' said a senior official, who asked not to be named for fear being seen as criticizing the new government. ``A simple letter now takes me ages.''
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What about East/West/South India ?

What about hundreds of millions in NORTH INDIA who do not speak Hindi?

So the Babus will now be spending time on Hindi and how to draft letters so that it does not change the meaning.

Will Modi ji learn ONE new South Indian Language within 6 months ? That will make him understand that learning language becomes extremely difficult to "concretised" brains of people over 30, 40 and older.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:22 am

Is Gujarati compulsory in schools there ? Did he enforce Gujarati in intra-state and inter-state communication?

by goodcitizn Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:27 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:"But these days, they are spending their evenings frantically looking up words after new Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared that all official documents must be written in Hindi, spoken by hundreds of millions across northern India. While many bureaucrats speak the language, few know the formal phrases needed for official communication.

“It's unbelievable how much time I spend rifling through the Hindi dictionary,'' said a senior official, who asked not to be named for fear being seen as criticizing the new government. ``A simple letter now takes me ages.''
****************

What about East/West/South India ?

What about hundreds of millions in NORTH INDIA who do not speak Hindi?

So the Babus will now be spending time on Hindi and how to draft letters so that it does not change the meaning.

Will Modi ji learn ONE new South Indian Language within 6 months ? That will make him understand that learning language becomes extremely difficult to "concretised" brains of people over 30, 40 and older.

Modi can't even speak proper English and you expect him to learn a south indian language?

Looks like the first thing on the agenda for Modi & Co is to change Hindustan into Hindistan. Very disturbing.

by Hellsangel Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:29 am

Hindistan is the Turkish name for India.

by goodcitizn Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:36 am

Hellsangel wrote:Hindistan is the Turkish name for India.

Yes, looks like they are talking turkey! :-)

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:00 am

Thames get really agitated with this language stuff.
can some one tell us what other actions were reported since the single memo a week ago.
if modi or his minions try to us Hindi, it will be the end of modi experiment.
a lot of such noise seems to be self induced consternation.

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:02 am

truthbetold wrote:Thambis get really agitated with this language stuff.
can some one tell us what other actions were reported since the single memo a week ago.
if modi or his minions try to push Hindi, it will be the end of modi experiment.
a lot of such noise seems to be self induced consternation.

by confuzzled dude Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:08 am

The more you bring up RSS the more you're agreeing that RSS has the remote control

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:14 am

Cd
you misread me.
i do not agree with remote control theory.
i said before and i am repeating.
modi is rss and his thinking and acting reflects rss.

by smArtha Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:41 am

truthbetold wrote:Thames get really agitated with this language stuff.
can some one tell us what other actions were reported since the single memo a week ago.
if modi or his minions try to us Hindi, it will be the end of modi experiment.
a lot of such noise seems to be self induced consternation.

None in public domain other than 'fear mongering' stories and op-eds by the English language media. The only diktat consistently reported was that Hindi also be restored to the official language. There was no order on No English. Just accommodate Hindi too especially where the requests have come in Hindi respond in Hindi only. The regional language fanatics and anti-Modi or Left leaning folks are the ones stretching this 'adopt Hindi too' to a convenient 'enforce Hindi only'. This serves their sinister agendas. Actually the prior governments should have already handled Hindi language adoption in the last 50+ years so that Governance by now would be firmly Bi Lingual and then we'd be working towards a Multi Lingual one.

Also, if the top level bureaucrats are not able to think better solutions than 'keep referring to a Dictionary' to draft documents in Hindi too, that shows their outdated mindset and the tunnel vision while looking for solutions. Today, they have enough technology tools on all smart devices to be employed. Also, all non-Hindi personnel can collectively go and impress upon Modi & cabinet the need to employ a shared pool of translators to accomplish the objectives of Efficient, Responsive and Performing Bi-Lingual Governance.

by goodcitizn Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:03 pm

smArtha wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Thames get really agitated with this language stuff.
can some one tell us what other actions were reported since the single memo a week ago.
if modi or his minions try to us Hindi, it will be the end of modi experiment.
a lot of such noise seems to be self induced consternation.

None in public domain other than 'fear mongering' stories and op-eds by the English language media. The only diktat consistently reported was that Hindi also be restored to the official language. There was no order on No English. Just accommodate Hindi too especially where the requests have come in Hindi respond in Hindi only. The regional language fanatics and anti-Modi or Left leaning folks are the ones stretching this 'adopt Hindi too' to a convenient 'enforce Hindi only'. This serves their sinister agendas. Actually the prior governments should have already handled Hindi language adoption in the last 50+ years so that Governance by now would be firmly Bi Lingual and then we'd be working towards a Multi Lingual one.

Also, if the top level bureaucrats are not able to think better solutions than 'keep referring to a Dictionary' to draft documents in Hindi too, that shows their outdated mindset and the tunnel vision while looking for solutions. Today, they have enough technology tools on all smart devices to be employed. Also, all non-Hindi personnel can collectively go and impress upon Modi & cabinet the need to employ a shared pool of translators to accomplish the objectives of Efficient, Responsive and Performing Bi-Lingual Governance.

Go ahead and start labeling people "conveniently" according to your mindset since they don't agree with you. Bi-lingual means giving a choice between Hindi and English. If a bureacrat knows only English why force him to learn Hindi? Why should he waste time thumbing through dictionaries or using on-line services to understand what is being said, let alone be expected to respond in the language he is unfamiliar with? If this is not imposition of Hindi on those who don't know, what else would you call it?

If both English and Hindi are the official languages of India, what is the problem in having the Hindi translation available in English for the non-Hindi speakers? Why make a change that adds a burden on those who are trying to serve the public? It is Hindi fanaticism that is behind this. Those who oppose this imposition are not regional language fanatics but believers in a multi-lingual society.

And if you really believe that this "Hindi only memo" is a step towards a multi-lingual friendly India, you are naive.

by confuzzled dude Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:30 pm

truthbetold wrote:Cd
you misread me.
i do not agree with remote control theory.
i said before and i am repeating.
modi is rss and his thinking and acting reflects rss.

That was for Saamiyaar. In any case, do the folks that don't follow these gag order run the risk of stoned to death or getting their hands chopped

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:38 pm

Gc
If an ias officer is posted in tn he is expected to learn tmail language to serve people. most of them do that. The ias that are posted at central govt positions can be expected to learn a language that helps them interact with larger swath of population. it is not a waste of time. Look at people involved in ngos no one forces them but they learn the local language to get closer to the people they want to serve.

i can understand thambi resistance because of fear of losing opportunities based on language advantage in competitive exams. govt has to clarify the opportunity question. but to work with Indian people, a working knowledge of local language is very useful.

by smArtha Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:46 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
And if you really believe that this "Hindi only memo" is a step towards a multi-lingual friendly India, you are naive.

Before we go any further - show me the 'Hindi only memo' or the relevant text online. So far none on this and the other relevant thread did so. What I saw was the 'Hindi also' reports and not any 'Hindi only' diktat. And the 'Hindi only' line encountered had the qualifier very clear that it is meant for responses to requests made in Hindi. If you have any communique indicating 'Hindi only at all times' then I'll switch sides on this debate.

by confuzzled dude Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:49 pm

truthbetold wrote:Gc
If an ias officer is posted in tn he is expected to learn tmail language to serve people. most of them do that. The ias that are posted at central govt positions can be expected to learn a language that helps them interact with larger swath of population. it is not a waste of time. Look at people involved in ngos no one forces them but they learn the local language to get closer to the people they want to serve.

i can understand thambi resistance because of fear of losing opportunities based on language advantage in competitive exams. govt has to clarify the opportunity question. but to work with Indian people, a working knowledge of local language is very useful.

I don't think tamilians have any issue with the scenarios you've provided as a matter of fact they've been doing that for decades i.e. Learning other languages. Issue is with imposition of certain language on every citizen. If you look at the other side, in Andhra, Hindi as a 2nd or 3rd language didn't serve any purpose, it didn't help them with conversing Hindi nor finding jobs in the north

by Idéfix Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:55 pm

If nothing else, this indicates the misplaced priorities of the Modi government. Several of India's problems orders of magnitude larger than the use of Hindi in union government business. Currying favor with Hindians may be a good political move after winning the Hindi belt overwhelmingly, but it erodes the political capital that Modi will need in order to solve bigger and more important problems.

by Guest Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:05 pm

Idéfix wrote:If nothing else, this indicates the misplaced priorities of the Modi government. Several of India's problems orders of magnitude larger than the use of Hindi in union government business. Currying favor with Hindians may be a good political move after winning the Hindi belt overwhelmingly, but it erodes the political capital that Modi will need in order to solve bigger and more important problems.

The wannabe dravidian strikes again.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:53 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:The more you bring up RSS the more you're agreeing that RSS has the remote control

You are a Cong(i) fanatic and remote-control is the only methodology you are aware of. So here are some explanations:

Remote-control: Even the prime minister refers to "High-Command" or Party Leadership on a daily basis.

Influence: what the RSS has on the Modi cabinet. No need to control remotely as the RSS reps on Modi cabinet are not dumbos like Congress or believe in impressing high command. The reps have been given a "view" of importance by SCS Bhagwat, and the life-long Sanghis are capable enough to carry on their views without daily remote-control/high command permission for bathroom breaks.

TBT: Thambis are the ones with balls and attachment to their language. If Modi/RSS can believe in the 300-yr old hindi, the tamilans are fully justified in raising the Tamil flag.

If the central IAS babus are expected to speak in hindi it is one thing like TN babus are expected to speak tamil. But TN babus are not REQUIRED to communicate in Tamil. How will the central babus communicate with regional babus ???? ONLY in Hindi ?

Smartha: There were a couple of news items and articles posted here that cited "respond in hindi ONLY" Also the same thing about FB (which I can understand Modi wanting to reach out to the rural hindians through the growing net).

by smArtha Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:04 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Smartha: There were a couple of news items and articles posted here that cited "respond in hindi ONLY" Also the same thing about FB (which I can understand Modi wanting to reach out to the rural hindians through the growing net).

Again the only - 'Hindi only' reference clearly said - respond to requests made in Hindi in Hindi only and NOT 'respond to ALL requests in Hindi only'. Also, the following clarification by MHA should set the record straight for everyone.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-directive-that-hindi-must-be-the-dominating-language-mha/480350-37-64.html

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:43 pm

smArtha wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Smartha: There were a couple of news items and articles posted here that cited "respond in hindi ONLY" Also the same thing about FB (which I can understand Modi wanting to reach out to the rural hindians through the growing net).

Again the only - 'Hindi only' reference clearly said - respond to requests made in Hindi in Hindi only and NOT 'respond to ALL requests in Hindi only'. Also, the following clarification by MHA should set the record straight for everyone.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-directive-that-hindi-must-be-the-dominating-language-mha/480350-37-6
4.html

smartha

The intent of the memo may be limited but for those who ate waiting for an opending to strike modi, it is an opening. they know public may not get the finer details. so they jump and create a lot noise to make it appear that there is a problem. Modi will have to learn.

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:55 pm

Uppili samy
some of us always suspected that big sagging balls have something to do with continued affinity to lungi or vesti. just kidding.

while i support usage of local language in govt functions,i am opposed to forceful implementation of Hindi. i can assure you that it will never happen in India.
in this particular case my point is there is no attempt by govt to do anything drastic. they sent out a memo that probably was written decades ago.

there is no need to call for southern revolution.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:55 pm

truthbetold wrote:
smArtha wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Smartha: There were a couple of news items and articles posted here that cited "respond in hindi ONLY" Also the same thing about FB (which I can understand Modi wanting to reach out to the rural hindians through the growing net).

Again the only - 'Hindi only' reference clearly said - respond to requests made in Hindi in Hindi only and NOT 'respond to ALL requests in Hindi only'. Also, the following clarification by MHA should set the record straight for everyone.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-directive-that-hindi-must-be-the-dominating-language-mha/480350-37-6
4.html
smartha

The intent of the memo may be limited but for those who ate waiting for an opending to strike modi, it is an opening. they know public may not get the finer details. so they jump and create a lot noise to make it appear that there is a problem. Modi will have to learn.

If that DIRECTIVE is so harmless, innocent, and blah blah, why are the Babus sweating it out? If it is indeed sincere LIMITED directive it could have been done in a quiet and different way and not that Bihari Babu Mishra issuing a directive sitting on the Chief chair in the PMO.

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:07 pm

Uppili
may be you have information on the turmoil inside babudom. can you provide news items or some evidence of trouble.

by smArtha Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:If that DIRECTIVE is so harmless, innocent, and blah blah, why are the Babus sweating it out? If it is indeed sincere LIMITED directive it could have been done in a quiet and different way and not that Bihari Babu Mishra issuing a directive sitting on the Chief chair in the PMO.

I don't know why the Babus are sweating. In most cases, responding in Hindi is as simple as responding in English and have a translator(man, machine or both) turn it to Hindi.

IMO most telugu Babus don't know enough Telugu to conduct business in it and I presume it is so with most Hindi babus too. The Babu dom is predominantly English only intellects.

by Hellsangel Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:20 pm

smArtha wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:If that DIRECTIVE is so harmless, innocent, and blah blah, why are the Babus sweating it out? If it is indeed sincere LIMITED directive it could have been done in a quiet and different way and not that Bihari Babu Mishra issuing a directive sitting on the Chief chair in the PMO.

I don't know why the Babus are sweating. In most cases, responding in Hindi is as simple as responding in English and have a translator(man, machine or both) turn it to Hindi.

IMO most telugu Babus don't know enough Telugu to conduct business in it and I presume it is so with most Hindi babus too. The Babu dom is predominantly English only intellects.

Is it politically correct to say that anymore? Shouldn't you be saying Andhra babus or Telengana babus?

by smArtha Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:27 pm

Is it politically correct to say that anymore? Shouldn't you be saying Andhra babus or Telengana babus?

Telangana Political Class doesn't like the term 'Andhra' and hence the more acceptable 'Telugu' Smile

by confuzzled dude Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:38 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:The more you bring up RSS the more you're agreeing that RSS has the remote control

You are a Cong(i) fanatic and remote-control is the only methodology you are aware of. So here are some explanations:

Remote-control: Even the prime minister refers to "High-Command" or Party Leadership on a daily basis.

Influence: what the RSS has on the Modi cabinet. No need to control remotely as the RSS reps on Modi cabinet are not dumbos like Congress or believe in impressing high command. The reps have been given a "view" of importance by SCS Bhagwat, and the life-long Sanghis are capable enough to carry on their views without daily remote-control/high command permission for bathroom breaks.

Haha look who is talking. After having taken you bhajan artist's for ride with fake development mantra now he taking full advantage of your naïveté, by doing so he, not only is diverting your attention from development (of course he will ensure that his sponsors will develop further) but also fooling with phony nationalism rhetoric to rile bhajan artists and to keep his Hindi masters happy; this guy is a big time snake oil sales man

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:45 pm

Cd
you seem to know the future so well. why don't you write the next 5 years of mod?
i am sure you will correct the errors in your 2014 election prediction. as you know failures are the stepping stones of success.

by confuzzled dude Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:49 pm

truthbetold wrote:Cd
you seem to know the future so well. why don't you write the next 5 years of mod?
i am sure you will correct the errors in your 2014 election prediction. as you know failures are the stepping stones of success.

When did I make election predictions! Even this post was about recent happenings

by Idéfix Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:25 pm

smArtha wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
And if you really believe that this "Hindi only memo" is a step towards a multi-lingual friendly India, you are naive.

Before we go any further - show me the 'Hindi only memo' or the relevant text online. So far none on this and the other relevant thread did so. What I saw was the 'Hindi also' reports and not any 'Hindi only' diktat. And the 'Hindi only' line encountered had the qualifier very clear that it is meant for responses to requests made in Hindi. If you have any communique indicating 'Hindi only at all times' then I'll switch sides on this debate.

Here is a message from the Department of Official Language of the Ministry of Home Affairs.

I think the RSS has its priorities wrong Bqf2BzFCEAAJFia

I think the RSS has its priorities wrong Bqf2BzFCEAAJFia

The key sentence is the last one in paragraph 2:

... adhikArik khAtOn mEn rAjbhAshA hindI athavA angrEjI aur hindI dOnOn ka dwibhAshI rUp mEn prayOg kiyA jAyE, jismE hindI kO Upar / pehlE rakhA jAyE.

... on official [social media] accounts, either Hindi, or English and Hindi both in bilingual fashion with Hindi before / above English, shall be used.

In other words, the order directs employees to use either Hindi only, or Hindi and English. This is not bilingualism.

by Kayalvizhi Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:08 pm

truthbetold wrote:Gc
If an ias officer is posted in tn he is expected to learn tmail language to serve people. most of them do that.

You are speaking out of your ignorance. IAS officers posted in TN undergo a 1 month training in Tamil at TN gov expense. They learn to say "vankakkam" when they meet ministers. That's it. They speak to subordinates in english and do all work in English.

But the same IAS officer in TN must pass a college level test in Hindi. I say give college level test in Tamil.

Many lower officers coast guards, central police, railway pplice, bank officers do not know English. They know only Hindi

by Kayalvizhi Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:20 pm

Actually I applaud Modi. He treads boldly in establishing Hindi as official language as Constitution says. Good work. He should move ahead ignoring critics.

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:30 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Gc
If an ias officer is posted in tn he is expected to learn tmail language to serve people. most of them do that.

You are speaking out of your ignorance. IAS officers posted in TN undergo a 1 month training in Tamil at TN gov expense. They learn to say "vankakkam" when they meet ministers. That's it. They speak to subordinates in english and do all work in English.

But the same IAS officer in TN must pass a college level test in Hindi. I say give college level test in Tamil.

Many lower officers coast guards, central police, railway pplice, bank officers do not know English. They know only Hindi

GC,

Yes. I am ignorant of officers and NI who are posted in TN. They seem to be a different breed.

I met and interacted with many IAS and IPS officers from NON AP areas posted in AP. May be it is my luck or may be the group sent to AP is always different. Many of them are learned local language and make an effort to interact with the local people. It is only with officers who work for them they speak in english to show their authority. (colonial Indians still have the belief that those who speak english have more power.) I would go as far as saying that these individuals can read and write in telugu but they can speak and interact with in telugu.

Same is true of business men I encountered in clothes shops, gold shops, hotels and other commercial places.

by Hellsangel Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:38 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Gc
If an ias officer is posted in tn he is expected to learn tmail language to serve people. most of them do that.

You are speaking out of your ignorance. IAS officers posted in TN undergo a 1 month training in Tamil at TN gov expense. They learn to say "vankakkam" when they meet ministers. That's it. They speak to subordinates in english and do all work in English.

But the same IAS officer in TN must pass a college level test in Hindi. I say give college level test in Tamil.

Many lower officers coast guards, central police, railway pplice, bank officers do not know English. They know only Hindi
GC,

Yes. I am ignorant of officers and NI who are posted in TN. They seem to be a different breed.

I met and interacted with many IAS and IPS officers from NON AP areas posted in AP. May be it is my luck or may be the group sent to AP is always different. Many of them are learned local language and make an effort to interact with the local people. It is only with officers who work for them they speak in english to show their authority. (colonial Indians still have the belief that those who speak english have more power.) I would go as far as saying that these individuals can read and write in telugu but they can speak and interact with in telugu.

Same is true of business men I encountered in clothes shops, gold shops, hotels and other commercial places.

I have met quite a few Punjabis and Gujaratis from TamLand who speak fluent Tamil.

by truthbetold Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:46 pm

Correction: (included missing NOT) " I would NOT go as far as saying that these individuals can read and write in telugu but they can speak and interact with in telugu. "

by bw Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:59 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Gc
If an ias officer is posted in tn he is expected to learn tmail language to serve people. most of them do that.

You are speaking out of your ignorance. IAS officers posted in TN undergo a 1 month training in Tamil at TN gov expense. They learn to say "vankakkam" when they meet ministers. That's it. They speak to subordinates in english and do all work in English.

But the same IAS officer in TN must pass a college level test in Hindi. I say give college level test in Tamil.

Many lower officers coast guards, central police, railway pplice, bank officers do not know English. They know only Hindi
GC,

Yes. I am ignorant of officers and NI who are posted in TN. They seem to be a different breed.

I met and interacted with many IAS and IPS officers from NON AP areas posted in AP. May be it is my luck or may be the group sent to AP is always different. Many of them are learned local language and make an effort to interact with the local people. It is only with officers who work for them they speak in english to show their authority. (colonial Indians still have the belief that those who speak english have more power.) I would go as far as saying that these individuals can read and write in telugu but they can speak and interact with in telugu.

Same is true of business men I encountered in clothes shops, gold shops, hotels and other commercial places.

I have met quite a few Punjabis and Gujaratis from TamLand who speak fluent Tamil.

i had 3-4 classmates who were bloody north indians but could speak pretty good tamil. they were also willing students of bharatanatyam and not so willing students of carnatic music. they had to sing it coz it was a mandatory subject.

by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:31 pm

if it wasn't for the sixties tamilians it's quite possible the southern indian languages may have vanished off the face of the planet. northindian, i.e. nehruvian/rajajian hindi fanaticism is a powerful force that is still alive and needs to be thwarted.

by Hellsangel Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:42 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:if it wasn't for the sixties tamilians it's quite possible the southern indian languages may have vanished off the face of the planet. northindian, i.e. nehruvian/rajajian hindi fanaticism is a powerful force that is still alive and needs to be thwarted.

Now you are just being a drama queen, Il Professor-ai, out to prove your Tamil-ness. You think the Bengalis, the Marathis, the Konkanis, the Gujaratis and others would have given up their language?

by Ponniyin Selvan Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:55 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....This hindi imposition will QUICKLY turn much of South (except the big cities) against Modi and BJP.

Stupid Raj Narain did the same thing in 1977 and the JP was quickly mired in language issue. What is it with these assholes that they focus on the most divisive issues instead of focusing on the common issues ?

So the Govt is more afraid of iSlamis than non-hindi speaking Southerners?

I wonder whether the RSS folks have brains in their feet instead of their heads. No wonder one of their like minded boys killed Gandhi and made them go under the carpet for 50 years.

This Hindi imposition is going to rile up everyone regardless of any affiliations. In the fb group I am a member of with respect to languages of India, I find the Kannada speakers to be extra angry against the Hindi imposition and their meek surrender in 1960s and may want to make up for this now. Compulsory Kannada in schools and similar activities are steps in the right direction. This time if the Hindi forcing nutcases want to carry on further I think we can get support from a lot of diverse groups. We now have good tools for mobilizing compared to the 60s..

by Kayalvizhi Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:00 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:if it wasn't for the sixties tamilians it's quite possible the southern indian languages may have vanished off the face of the planet. northindian, i.e. nehruvian/rajajian hindi fanaticism is a powerful force that is still alive and needs to be thwarted.
Now you are just being a drama queen, Il Professor-ai, out to prove your Tamil-ness. You think the Bengalis, the Marathis, the Konkanis, the Gujaratis and others would have given up their language?

There was not much opposition from other states at all.

Only ones who stood in the way of Hindi replacing English totally on January 26, 1965 were the Tamil people. We sacrificed over 60 young lives to Hindi demon in 1965.

But for the Tamil sacrifice there would be no English usage in Indian gov offices.

by Kayalvizhi Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:02 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:if it wasn't for the sixties tamilians it's quite possible the southern indian languages may have vanished off the face of the planet. northindian, i.e. nehruvian/rajajian hindi fanaticism is a powerful force that is still alive and needs to be thwarted.

Hindi totally destroying all non-Hindi languages is certain. Only way Tamil can be protected is by establishing an independent Tamil nation. There is NO other way.

"A language without a country is a dialect" - An Israeli saying.

by Kayalvizhi Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:04 pm

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:

In the fb group I am a member of with respect to languages of India, I find the Kannada speakers to be extra angry against the Hindi imposition

what is that group

by Ponniyin Selvan Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:18 pm

promote linguistic equality

by Kris Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:33 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....This hindi imposition will QUICKLY turn much of South (except the big cities) against Modi and BJP.

Stupid Raj Narain did the same thing in 1977 and the JP was quickly mired in language issue. What is it with these assholes that they focus on the most divisive issues instead of focusing on the common issues ?

So the Govt is more afraid of iSlamis than non-hindi speaking Southerners?

>>>If they get sidetracked with this language fiasco, it is going to be a blown opportunity when it comes to taking the country to the next level.

by goodcitizn Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:15 am

Idéfix wrote:
smArtha wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
And if you really believe that this "Hindi only memo" is a step towards a multi-lingual friendly India, you are naive.

Before we go any further - show me the 'Hindi only memo' or the relevant text online. So far none on this and the other relevant thread did so. What I saw was the 'Hindi also' reports and not any 'Hindi only' diktat. And the 'Hindi only' line encountered had the qualifier very clear that it is meant for responses to requests made in Hindi. If you have any communique indicating 'Hindi only at all times' then I'll switch sides on this debate.
Here is a message from the Department of Official Language of the Ministry of Home Affairs.

The key sentence is the last one in paragraph 2:

... adhikArik khAtOn mEn rAjbhAshA hindI athavA angrEjI aur hindI dOnOn ka dwibhAshI rUp mEn prayOg kiyA jAyE, jismE hindI kO Upar / pehlE rakhA jAyE.

... on official [social media] accounts, either Hindi, or English and Hindi both in bilingual fashion with Hindi before / above English, shall be used.

In other words, the order directs employees to use either Hindi only, or Hindi and English. This is not bilingualism.

Thanks for sharing this, Carvaka. To blatantly make an official decree that communication to the social media has to be "only" in Hindi or in Hindi and English, prioritizing Hindi over English (when they both have equal status as official languages of India) is a sure move towards Hindi dominance in Indian governance. If this is a step towards having a multi-lingual friendly India then something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

by goodcitizn Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:30 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:if it wasn't for the sixties tamilians it's quite possible the southern indian languages may have vanished off the face of the planet. northindian, i.e. nehruvian/rajajian hindi fanaticism is a powerful force that is still alive and needs to be thwarted.

Hindi imposition is once again rearing its ugly head. When people speak out against it to ensure that all languages in India are preserved, they are conveniently dubbed as regional language fanatics or worse unIndian! If the Modi government continues to push Hindi, his policies will make India divisive. At least the people of Tamil Nadu won't stand for it. Before long other southern states won't be far behind in protest. If Modi wants to impress his Hindian voters, he hasn't seen the last of the might of non-Hindians.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:41 am

Amma writes to Modi ji asking him to amend the twitter order ti 'English only" use.

Also, why is Modi ji still tweeting in english.

P.S. Ammachi should follow @narendramodi and correct Modi ji's Inglees.

by smArtha Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:18 am

Idéfix wrote:
smArtha wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
And if you really believe that this "Hindi only memo" is a step towards a multi-lingual friendly India, you are naive.

Before we go any further - show me the 'Hindi only memo' or the relevant text online. So far none on this and the other relevant thread did so. What I saw was the 'Hindi also' reports and not any 'Hindi only' diktat. And the 'Hindi only' line encountered had the qualifier very clear that it is meant for responses to requests made in Hindi. If you have any communique indicating 'Hindi only at all times' then I'll switch sides on this debate.
Here is a message from the Department of Official Language of the Ministry of Home Affairs.

The key sentence is the last one in paragraph 2:

... adhikArik khAtOn mEn rAjbhAshA hindI athavA angrEjI aur hindI dOnOn ka dwibhAshI rUp mEn prayOg kiyA jAyE, jismE hindI kO Upar / pehlE rakhA jAyE.

... on official [social media] accounts, either Hindi, or English and Hindi both in bilingual fashion with Hindi before / above English, shall be used.

In other words, the order directs employees to use either Hindi only, or Hindi and English. This is not bilingualism.

As always, I cannot see images or other attachments on this site (when logged in from work) to verify if there was any context to the Hindi only reference. But taking your verbatim quote at its face value, the only issue I have in it is - Hindi Only as even an option. Hindi only or English only cannot be options that the Government - Ministers, Secretaries or Officials choose. By Constitution, Government has to be Bilingual which to me means Hindi AND English. A Bilingual State (or for that matter any Service Provider) needs to engage in both languages - in this case Hindi & English (choice, if any, should be purely driven by the consumer and not made by the provider). I have no issues with the recommendation - Hindi on the top followed by English, though I find it very silly. They should just have two versions of every notice, communication or order - English and Hindi one. Why mix it up in the same one making it difficult to read?

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